If Shaw has to be dealt (I still believe he's staying) the trade that makes sense to me would be sending him to Edmonton for Patrick Maroon.

Maroon is a similar type player (not as good though) and have a cap hit of $1.5 million for the next 2 seasons.
- DarthKane

Maroon- 603/230 and is a LW. Hawks could use some of that..

Regarding goalies, you could see 3 starters shopped around. Suitable replacements have given their teams reason to believe that Bishop and Fluery aren't necessarily required.

Darling has showed the Hawks he can do it in spurts, but I personally feel trading Crawford would be a mistake.

In addition, you have goalies like Reimer and Ward that will be available.

I am not convinced Crawford is moving either. John J. Has suggested he is in play and I believe that's true. If say Carolina made Stan a strong offer he no doubt would consider it.

Keep in mind though, it was Stan who gave him the $6 million/year long term contract. So by trading him, would that mean Stan has done an about face ?

Quite possibly they start by buying out Bickell on June 15 and start chiseling down the payroll from there.

On Shaw, you could make the case that his value will never be higher after his strong performance against St. Louis. His agent might want a 4 year/12 million type deal.

Do the Hawks have room for that and Krugers new deal ?

If they can somehow get two or three teams interested in Shaw at the draft, they could get back into the 1st round or get perhaps 2 second rounders and come home with a nice haul of say 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.

Have to start by saying I like many wanted the Hawks to go for repeat this year. But imagine if SB thought after the cup last year because of the cap he would have to go a different route and get younger n rebuild with prospects. Chicago let's Saad sign with Columbus. Chicago compensation would have been Columbus first 3 picks this year including the third overall. Then make no trade with Montreal keep Daineault n draft pick 3rd? .No Ladd trade so we have our first this year. I think JJ said Sharp could have been traded for two seconds n we would have Johns.
We wouldnt have AA but Columbus would have been tight against the cap and I think we still could have pulled off something to get him. I know we had to try n repeat but just thinking
- HamiltonHawk

I was also in the 'repeat now Camp' and liked the Ladd trade. Hated the Danault trade and still do.
And Yes
I wish now the Hawks had stayed the course ..had a rough year but were re tooled for the next 5 years.

Have to start by saying I like many wanted the Hawks to go for repeat this year. But imagine if SB thought after the cup last year because of the cap he would have to go a different route and get younger n rebuild with prospects. Chicago let's Saad sign with Columbus. Chicago compensation would have been Columbus first 3 picks this year including the third overall. Then make no trade with Montreal keep Daineault n draft pick 3rd? .No Ladd trade so we have our first this year. I think JJ said Sharp could have been traded for two seconds n we would have Johns.
We wouldnt have AA but Columbus would have been tight against the cap and I think we still could have pulled off something to get him. I know we had to try n repeat but just thinking
- HamiltonHawk

Good post, but are you sure that Columbus was the only team that would have offer sheeted the Hawks for Saad? What if it was Florida or some other team that made the playoffs. That Daneault trade was brutal.

Good post, but are you sure that Columbus was the only team that would have offer sheeted the Hawks for Saad? What if it was Florida or some other team that made the playoffs. That Daneault trade was brutal.
- Dieselhead

Add to that Q's total mishandling of playing Weise and Fleischman... Yes BRUTAL!

If Shaw has to be dealt (I still believe he's staying) the trade that makes sense to me would be sending him to Edmonton for Patrick Maroon.

Maroon is a similar type player (not as good though) and have a cap hit of $1.5 million for the next 2 seasons.
- DarthKane

I really hope you're right. I wish TT weren't cost controlled and we could ship him out to find the money for shaw

I am not convinced Crawford is moving either. John J. Has suggested he is in play and I believe that's true. If say Carolina made Stan a strong offer he no doubt would consider it.

Keep in mind though, it was Stan who gave him the $6 million/year long term contract. So by trading him, would that mean Stan has done an about face ?

Quite possibly they start by buying out Bickell on June 15 and start chiseling down the payroll from there.

On Shaw, you could make the case that his value will never be higher after his strong performance against St. Louis. His agent might want a 4 year/12 million type deal.

Do the Hawks have room for that and Krugers new deal ?

If they can somehow get two or three teams interested in Shaw at the draft, they could get back into the 1st round or get perhaps 2 second rounders and come home with a nice haul of say 7 picks in the first 5 rounds.
- Omahawk

If you look at the deals Kruger and Cizikas signed this off season Shaw will get more than $3 million on a long term deal. If the deal is more than one season Shaw will get around $4 million. Maybe Shaw takes a one year cap friendly deal like Kruger did a year ago. If that happens if expect the deal to be around $3 million.

I really hope you're right. I wish TT weren't cost controlled and we could ship him out to find the money for shaw
- maria_wyeth

Teravainen isn't hurting the team on the ice or with his cap hit. Unless trading TT brought back a quality defenseman there is absolutely no value in trading him. Even if Teuvo plays true entire season on the third line he still brings value to the team. TT's defensive game is solid, I believe his offensive side will start improving but the question is to what degree.

If Shaw has to be dealt (I still believe he's staying) the trade that makes sense to me would be sending him to Edmonton for Patrick Maroon.

Maroon is a similar type player (not as good though) and have a cap hit of $1.5 million for the next 2 seasons.
- DarthKane

Darth I've seen you post about Maroon a few times. I'm guessing you've seen him and remember him but maybe haven't followed him. He's got a lot of Bickell in him minus a bad injury. He's a big dude who is a + skater for his size but not as skilled hands as Bickell.

They liked him a lot in Anahiem moving him up and down the lineup from 1st line with Getzlaf and Perry to 4th line and in between for the past 4 years before giving up and moving him to EDM for Gernat (a 2011 5th rounder never skating a shift in the bigs http://www.hockeydb.com/i...s/pdisplay.php?pid=143102, and a 4th.

I play a lot of fantasy and have followed this guy for years now adding and dropping him. Big guys who can skate are worth giving a chance but at 28 he hasn't found a niche or any consistency yet. ......

IMO Shaw is an absolutely perfect add for EDM to show this young group what it takes to win, be a leader, and be effective on the ice. But IMO Shaw should bring more than Maroon if the Hawks even want him, but if I'm EDM I'm targeting Shaw as much as I am any Dman.

Teravainen isn't hurting the team on the ice or with his cap hit. Unless trading TT brought back a quality defenseman there is absolutely no value in trading him. Even if Teuvo plays true entire season on the third line he still brings value to the team. TT's defensive game is solid, I believe his offensive side will start improving but the question is to what degree.
- DarthKane

As a centerman? Did the Hawks cough 3.3 per to Kruger to be a 4th line center on a team losing top 6 guys right and left due to the cap to pay him that much to be a 4th 18 point guy or 3rd line centerman?

As a centerman? Did the Hawks cough 3.3 per to Kruger to be a 4th line center on a team losing top 6 guys right and left due to the cap to pay him that much to be a 4th 18 point guy or 3rd line centerman?
- Mr Ricochet

Kruger is a true shut down defensive C and is damn good on the PK. He is also decent at the dot. Based on the money thrown around the NHL, for what Kruger does for the team its not all that bad. Kruger's ability to play on the PK along with AA takes weight off of 19. Is the salary a little high? Sure, but Kruger is a Bolland type you need on your team. Look at the crazy money Bolland got!?!

Haydn Fleury is a very interesting name as we head toward the draft. He has been passed by Jacob Slavin, Brett Pesce and Noah Hanifan in Carolina.

He seems to have had a good year with Red Deer but will have to spend at least a year in the AHL, working his way up to crack the Canes lineup.

Off topic, I exchanged messages with Matt Larkin from the Hockey News this past week. I asked him if Stan felt forced to move Andrew Shaw at the draft, what the Hawks could expect in return. He replied, late 1st rounder.

I realize he is a writer and not a hockey executive, but I'm sure he knows more than I do. Worth keeping in mind as Stan tries to negotiate the Cap. Larkin also said he has never seen an early June like this. Incredibly busy with trade chatter.

Should be really really interesting each day once the Pens/sharks series is over.
- Omahawk

Really that is expected. Besides normal feelers to make your club better we have a cap that isn't going up this year and an expansion draft in two years. Every team is jockeying not as much to make themselves better but to minimize damage due to a flat cap and an expansion draft.

Probably gonna see at least a handful of head scratchers this offseason.

Kruger is a true shut down defensive C and is damn good on the PK. He is also decent at the dot. Based on the money thrown around the NHL, for what Kruger does for the team its not all that bad. Kruger's ability to play on the PK along with AA takes weight off of 19. Is the salary a little high? Sure, but Kruger is a Bolland type you need on your team. Look at the crazy money Bolland got!?!
- z1990z

I don't post that much but to summarize IMO a 1.5 mil per guy can be found to play 4C, PK, skate 12 minutes, win draws especially on a team that bleeds top 6 guys every year to a hard cap. A 3.3 per specialist is not a luxury afforded in this context.

A 3.3 mil per 3C that shuts down, wins draws, plays 1st unit PK, skates 15 minutes a night and chips in 30 points is. he's yet to do this but to be fair he hasn't been given anything but defensive zone starts and assignments and at 26 he has room to grow into a 3C role.

Edit Kruger was extended for 3.1 per not 3.3.

I don't post that much but to summarize IMO a 1.5 mil per guy can be found to play 4C, PK, skate 12 minutes, win draws especially on a team that bleeds top 6 guys every year to a hard cap. A 3.3 per specialist is not a luxury afforded in this context.

A 3.3 mil per 3C that shuts down, wins draws, plays 1st unit PK, skates 15 minutes a night and chips in 30 points is. he's yet to do this but to be fair he hasn't been given anything but defensive zone starts and assignments and at 26 he has room to grow into a 3C role.

Edit Kruger was extended for 3.1 per not 3.3.
- Mr Ricochet

And I can agree with that. Would Danault be able to step in to that role? Im sure with some time. Kruger strikes me as Q favorite. Im sure that played in to keeping him.

And I can agree with that. Would Danault be able to step in to that role? Im sure with some time. Kruger strikes me as Q favorite. Im sure that played in to keeping him.
- z1990z

Kruger is a favorite of mine too and I liked Denault once I got to see him play. In fact I only read that he was a hard worker not afraid of dirty areas but what jumped out to me quick was his skating. That was never mentioned, unless I missed it, but I like Denault much more after seeing his skating over a few games.

It would be speculation if he could fill Krugers role, time will tell. But even if the Hawks thought he could the whole reason for moving him was to add the vets to win a cup this year, but Q saw it differently as we all know.

Hindsight being what it is I keep Shaw over Kruger and roll the dice on if Denault/Rasmussen/a 1.5 mil vet could fill the 4C and draft at #22 in the 1st round this month.

Kruger is a favorite of mine too and I liked Denault once I got to see him play. In fact I only read that he was a hard worker not afraid of dirty areas but what jumped out to me quick was his skating. That was never mentioned, unless I missed it, but I like Denault much more after seeing his skating over a few games.

It would be speculation if he could fill Krugers role, time will tell. But even if the Hawks thought he could the whole reason for moving him was to add the vets to win a cup this year, but Q saw it differently as we all know.

Hindsight being what it is I keep Shaw over Kruger and roll the dice on if Denault/Rasmussen/a 1.5 mil vet could fill the 4C and draft at #22 in the 1st round this month.
- Mr Ricochet

In the world of anything is possible, guess we cant rule out Kruger being traded especially with names like CC and Seabs being kicked around. The team is in a bind. If a deal for Kruger keeps Shaw and brings back other help (D) then it has to be looked at. Although with the loss of Danault, Kruger seems likely to stick around.

As a centerman? Did the Hawks cough 3.3 per to Kruger to be a 4th line center on a team losing top 6 guys right and left due to the cap to pay him that much to be a 4th 18 point guy or 3rd line centerman?
- Mr Ricochet

Maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of 3RW with Kruger as the 3C.

Switching gears to Shaw, IF he's dealt does anyone think Stan could pry away a NHL ready (or near NHL ready) prospect liek Rychel in Columbus or Morrisey in Winnipeg?

We do not really have any prospects to trade to get bickell off the Books. Would hartman and 3rd be enough to a team that has too many 1 way contracts. IE if they had 3 guys like Morin making $800K on a one way deal but is not expected to make the team. so AZ or CAR would get a extra 3rd, and Bickells 4Mil AAV (4.5 so dumb by bowman $3 mil owed with buyout) and hartman (who has been solid in AHL but not great) and we would take there worse 3 one way players that are not expected to make the team. So it would not cost really any money if the team would just buy him out. you are taking back 2.5 mil and they are on the hook for 3mil after the buyout. they get a better prospect then the 3 they are giving up and a 3rd, plus both the person taking in the 3rd and Hartman are EXP draft exempt. That seems more then fair. GM's really fall in love with players in the draft and if one slides to pick 85 that pick will be valuable to someone. Then you resign Shaw at 4 year 3 mil and front load it. 2B,2sal, 2b 2sal and 2sal, 2sal.

then you have kruger only owed less then 4 mil after next season after july 1st for his final 2 years (even though his AAV is 3.1) and shaw would only be owed 6 mil for his final 3 years after july 1st. for Cash strapped teams those would be very appealing deals to move next year?

I would also still try and move Craw (he will not have good value next year due to EXP) and then but we would be able to take back a contract that was roughly the same value as long it was only 1 year. The person taking Craw would give up a pick or prospect for craw and would get back 6 mil in avg to bad 1 year contracts. Bickell would accept to any team IMO knowing that he is going to be in rockford.

Really that is expected. Besides normal feelers to make your club better we have a cap that isn't going up this year and an expansion draft in two years. Every team is jockeying not as much to make themselves better but to minimize damage due to a flat cap and an expansion draft.

Probably gonna see at least a handful of head scratchers this offseason.
- Mr Ricochet

It took me awhile before I realized that Daly said the exact same thing back in March. He really didn't say anything new regarding the upcoming cap. The $74m figure was contingent on the NHLPA agreeing to the escalator.

The real big change was the waiving of the cap and the floor in the expansion season.

In the world of anything is possible, guess we cant rule out Kruger being traded especially with names like CC and Seabs being kicked around. The team is in a bind. If a deal for Kruger keeps Shaw and brings back other help (D) then it has to be looked at. Although with the loss of Danault, Kruger seems likely to stick around.
- z1990z

Those names, and any really, are just message board fans kicking them around. There have been no leaks to locals, or even the connected national guys, that are mentioning any Hawk names being shopped.

Fans connecting logical dots, that's what fans do. I don't get too much into this kinda stuff but would assume the Hawks didn't just extend Seabs and Kruger, give them no trade/movement clauses to move them within months of extending them.

But anything can happen and thinking about it for a minute or so signing Kruger to seemingly low end 3C/high end 4C money with Shaw and Panarin needing paid I wonder if Shaw is in the plans.

It took me awhile before I realized that Daly said the exact same thing back in March. He really didn't say anything new regarding the upcoming cap. The $74m figure was contingent on the NHLPA agreeing to the escalator.

The real big change was the waiving of the cap and the floor in the expansion season.
- walleyeb1

Correct: https://www.nhl.com/news/...draft-lottery/c-279663424

So the Hawks should have a plan for both 71 mil and 74 mil. But my guess is they hadn't planned for Panarin to put up 6-7 mil per yr numbers this year and destroy the bonus targets.

Maybe, but I was thinking more along the lines of 3RW with Kruger as the 3C.

Switching gears to Shaw, IF he's dealt does anyone think Stan could pry away a NHL ready (or near NHL ready) prospect liek Rychel in Columbus or Morrisey in Winnipeg?
- DarthKane

Guess it was the Edmonton blog where the blogger wondered if they should offer sheet Seth Jones. Read it and didn't realize that even the Jackets are tickling the cap ceiling with a lot of funk contracts (Clarkson, Hartnell, even Bob at 7+, Tytutin, J Johnson?) and Jones being an RFA...... Don't know what it all means but Columbus will be worth keeping an eye on.

Can something be done with Clarkson being acquired and bought out or long term IRed for bad money going the other way?

IMO Rychel is in play, don't think Torts digs him, but I really like Wennberg and even Karlsson to a lesser extent.

Correct: https://www.nhl.com/news/...draft-lottery/c-279663424

So the Hawks should have a plan for both 71 mil and 74 mil. But my guess is they hadn't planned for Panarin to put up 6-7 mil per yr numbers this year and destroy the bonus targets.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm sure they didn't plan on it too. I'm not sure I understand all the ins and outs of the cap, not sure any of us do. But I found this interesting, although must admit not quite sure what it means lol.

A Performance Bonus can be given to a player in addition to their salary. Performance bonuses are only paid to the player if they meet the requirements as defined by the bonus. Performance bonuses count against the salary cap; however, a team can exceed the salary cap due to performance bonuses by the maximum performance bonus cushion amount of 7.5% of the upper limit. Not all players are eligible for Performance Bonuses, and to receive a bonus within their contract, a player must meet one of the following criteria:
The player is on an entry-level contract.
The player has signed a one-year contract and is over 35 years old.
The player has signed a one-year contract after returning from a long-term injury (has played 400 or more games, and spent 100 or more days on the Injured Reserve in the last year of their most recent contract).

Maybe someone better versed in capoligy can explain it.

Haven't read through the whole blog, but curious if we're trying to somehow get a first round pick.

Per Mike Morreale:

CHI scout Mike Doneghey told me they asked German Rubstov where he thought he would fit in CHI lineup. Rubstov: "B/w Kane & Panarin" #boom