This is the part with Keith that just doesn't register: his value is so high that anything "good" that comes back is going to carry a hefty price tag.

I'll preface with the thought that this is highly unlikely: Everyone thinks AA is staying because of #72. What if AA AND 72 are traded for a physical #1LW, cheap faceoff centerman, and serviceable #4D? Throw Bickell to level out salaries....would you do it???
- phantasmo

The thing is is who would slide in #2C? Arty certainly isn't a Nik Backstrom offensively, but he does more help than hurt on the ice in each zone.

Plus, the Hawks would get hefty backlash for losing Panarin, especially after losing Saad last summer. He had a stellar rookie season and at this moment, who really knows his ceiling either?

And i know you said it was very unlikely, these would just be a few thoughts I'd have on that

I'm old enough to know that nothing will ever top NHL'94........
- SteveRain

Go back a little further

dahawks8819 please feel free to correct me if I am wrong as I am doing some lawerly reading between the lines.

Are the Hawks thinking they need a big power forward with speed to replace what they lost in Saad? You mentioned guys like Louis and Hinostroza who are smaller skilled guys and that the bigger wingers are all gone by the time the Hawks pick.

I could imagine a Seabrook and Taylor Hall centered trade. No one blast me about the idea of moving 7. I am fully aware our team needs another top 4 guy.

It would be interesting to know what Q thinks of Seabrooks defensive game at this point in his career. In Q's mind is it 2,4,7? Then you're paying your #3 D 7 mil plus a year. I love 7, losing him would hurt a lot, but just trying to look at it from a different viewpoint. When was the last season 7 was used at a top pairing shut down D?His skating on the defensive end has declined a bit. It was 4-27 the prior three years and this year it was 2-4 for the most part.

We know Q does not really care for physical big hitting D too.
- bhawks2241

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

What would really be eyebrow raising would be player(s) consent to leave.

And while that's nice you have a list of "untouchables", the people who actually make the decisions on this roster going forward have a slightly different opinion.

Either by the draft, or maybe a week or two after, you will see what's being discussed.....
- dahawks8819

I'm not entirely sure why but your posts are making me think they're shipping off Panarin, which I hope isn't true

The scenario you laid out is literally impossible under the current CBA. You cannot "rip up" / renegotiate a contract in the NHL. They can extend him as of July 1, 2016, but he will still play out the 2016-17 season under the terms of his ELC before his hypothetical new contract would kick in for 2017-18.
- BreakoutHockey

Thanks...that's what I was afraid of.

So in the worst case scenario...hawks carry over 2.5875 in bonus for Panarin into next year again AND then have his AAV jump....that could be a 6-8 million jump.

Mercy.

I think we agree that a trade has to happen right? Or is Stan hoping for a 74 million cap, a Bickell buyout and hoping to resign Shaw with what money he has? If we find a way to keep Shaw then my guess on the top 3 LW's are 72, 65 and 14. This is a HUGE summer for Stan and Co. Gotta hit it on every decision they make. Oh yeah and need healthy guys and some puck luck. The West and the Central Division is as tough as it gets.

I just hope the AA trade talk is BS. If anyone thinks 86 can step into the #2 C spot is fooling himself. They need to leave 86 at RW and let/hope his game rounds out. We need his skill. Oh and then there is that extension for 72 to work on..

Cant wait on that. All the signs point to having to make that big move this summer. Crap is getting old. Why cant we keeo this team together. Maybe Bettman likes that.
- z1990z

I'm sure he does. He doesn't want any dynasties in the league (except maybe Pitt)

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

Kane for Miller?

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

Fair enough. I certainly understand why you can't share. This leaves me about as antsy as waiting the week for the next Game of Thrones Episode!!

Go back a little further



- Quicky72

Oh that's a beauty....so if the ICE HOCKEY game with the skinny, fat, and middle sized player.

Back when game systems were easy....2 buttons or 3 buttons.

I loved NHL 94....goalie control stopped the deke that made 93 a scoring machine.

I'm not entirely sure why but your posts are making me think they're shipping off Panarin, which I hope isn't true
- maria_wyeth

I'd take Auston Matthews for him in a heartbeat. And I would package AA with hm.

Blue Ice !!
- mrpaulish

Loved it...fan beating on the glass and the checks were hilarious.

Damn you technology..........

Kane for Miller?
- DarthKane

You had to go there........

I agree with everything you said. They buyout Bickell and have about $7MM to fill four forward spots. Panik will come in cheap as one of them, and that leaves about $6MM to sign three more guys - maybe one is Shaw for half of that, and that leaves $3MM for two more bottom sixers. Maybe this Lundberg kid fills a hole on the bottom six, meaning you only have one spot to fill.

Kempny wont be Oduya, but he is an upgrade to anything we have in Rockford, which means there is already a net upgrade to the D.

There is enough money and talent there to make another run with a summer of rest and conditioning, a preseason of coaching, and a regular season of continuity.
- Return of the Roar

also practices!

The thing is is who would slide in #2C? Arty certainly isn't a Nik Backstrom offensively, but he does more help than hurt on the ice in each zone.

Plus, the Hawks would get hefty backlash for losing Panarin, especially after losing Saad last summer. He had a stellar rookie season and at this moment, who really knows his ceiling either?

And i know you said it was very unlikely, these would just be a few thoughts I'd have on that
- cnfan261311

Appreciate the thoughts much!

The whole premise "dahawks" is saying is that you would have major subtraction to achieve major addition. I'm thinking there will be an audible groan from the Hawks fanbase when we part with any of the beloved. I'm just trying to be "real" in terms of what it means to "reconsitute" a team.

Blue Ice !!
- mrpaulish

Puck trac!!!!

I'd take Auston Matthews for him in a heartbeat. And I would package AA with hm.
- Return of the Roar

Isn't Matthews only like 18 years old? Dunno if I'd trade a sure thing like Panarin for an 18 year old "maybe".

Had a lengthy discussion about this in Vegas with residents not too long ago. Out of all the ideas, one rose to the top: THE ACEHOLES

Alas, an opportunity wasted.......
- ItHossaGood

The Rat Pack

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

Well I will just say this....

In all the years I have known JJ and many others on this board, I have learned never to discount guys as having legit intel.

To your post.....this only makes sense IF....

1. They are looking to restructure their group of core players either due to an internal issue OR an external issue. Locker room vs off ice issues. Some guys could slide into one or both of those variables.

however, this core outside of CC, has won 3 cups (2,4,7,19,81,88) so it would be hard to see that being the case when as much as I hate the bounce away excuse, they easily could have won an additional 8 playoff games this spring after STL. Could they have beaten Pittsburgh? unsure.

2. They are sliding Panarin into that core and need to move HEAVY salary and that player can't be 15 due to cultural and language barriers.

Again to me, the obvious choice is 50 who I think would raise eye brows as you allude to and what return could fix some holes elsewhere. Will it happen? Doubtful, but we shall see.

You had to go there........
- SteveRain

Sorry...I couldn't resist.

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

Another guy with inside sources!?! Damn I need to get on the stchick here.

I was warned not to share what is being discussed.

What I can say is that it was eyebrow raising (insert favorite gif here) - both in what would be leaving and what would come back in return.
- dahawks8819

Eyebrow raising is ok, maybe, but the things you cannot say... do you think it would be good for the team and keeps the hawk in contention? thanks,

Well I will just say this....

In all the years I have known JJ and many others on this board, I have learned never to discount guys as having legit intel.

To your post.....this only makes sense IF....

1. They are looking to restructure their group of core players either due to an internal issue OR an external issue. Locker room vs off ice issues. Some guys could slide into one or both of those variables.

however, this core outside of CC, has won 3 cups (2,4,7,19,81,88) so it would be hard to see that being the case when as much as I hate the bounce away excuse, they easily could have won an additional 8 playoff games this spring after STL. Could they have beaten Pittsburgh? unsure.

2. They are sliding Panarin into that core and need to move HEAVY salary and that player can't be 15 due to cultural and language barriers.

Again to me, the obvious choice is 50 who I think would raise eye brows as you allude to and what return could fix some holes elsewhere. Will it happen? Doubtful, but we shall see.
- SteveRain

A somehow trade to Toronto that brings JVR back would be nice. Toronto would love a CC in net. Would CC love Toronto?

Hypothetical (reasonable) trade bait: http://www.tsn.ca/buckle-...f-trade-activity-1.500124

IF Crawford is a target to be moved now is the very worst time for that to happen as far as value is concerned.

Hypothetical (reasonable) trade bait: http://www.tsn.ca/buckle-...f-trade-activity-1.500124

IF Crawford is a target to be moved now is the very worst time for that to happen as far as value is concerned.
- Mr Ricochet

The guy is a proven winner with 2 Cups under his belt. To a team looking to make a big turn around (Toronto) there is a market for him. And he is still at the top of his game. If they try to move him, I dont think it will be hard.