What I don't understand:

I see a problem with trading for his rights at all, no matter the pick. If you know he is going to sign, you would just wait. However, you can't know that otherwise is tampering. Therefore, are we in the situation where we can trade a 1st or 2nd round pick for a guy who could wait a couple months and then sign somewhere else? Only way you do a 1st is if you know 100% he is going to sign, and therefore you can just wait til August 15th anyways. What am I missing?
- RhinoFan

The 2nd or 1st would be conditional on him signing - a 3rd is the offer just for his rights.

how are they not the same ? they both put up incredible numbers before they went to their new teams
- GERBE!!!75PTS

hossa signed a 12 year deal with hawks, paying him til he is 42

kovy bolted after signing what a 17 year deal?


this is a 7 year deal for a player in his prime


not the same

Any team that has playoff aspirations and has a legit chance at them and knows that draft pick isn't going to be in the top half of the draft.

Throw in the old Islanders wordage and make it a conditional 1st if he signs or a lottery protected pick.

The point is if you want Steven Stamkos and the price is there you need to decide if its worth it. I think it is. The 22nd pick in the 2017 draft for a 26 year old future hall of famer...
- Stripes77

I guess I'm greedy I just don't like giving up a first that's just a little too steep for me you can do so many things with that pick but like you said it's for Stamkos

I posted this a few months ago and maybe 89 can back this up - But my friend talked directly to a Sabres player this off season in a private setting and he said Stamkos has been here while he was injured and loves the city and training staff.

But that it's 50/50 on Murray's part because he's skeptical of contract demands. (The last part isn't from the player but a different source)

simple folks..
If Tampa can not sign SS, they will trade him for picks to a team prior to draft.
That is the best chance for Sabres in my opinion.
If SS get to free agency, its anyone's game.

hossa signed a 12 year deal with hawks, paying him til he is 42

kovy bolted after signing what a 17 year deal?


this is a 7 year deal for a player in his prime


not the same
- homiedclown

The question was what type of player hit free agency like Stamkos you gave your list you just forgot those two people

I guess I'm greedy I just don't like giving up a first that's just a little too steep for me you can do so many things with that pick but like you said it's for Stamkos
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Jiri Novotny agrees

The 2nd or 1st would be conditional on him signing - a 3rd is the offer just for his rights.
- stashu

I understand, the conditional stuff makes sense. Gotcha, okay, back to lurking.

Just today?
- sbroads24

No - it's been gradual over the last week or so.

The question was what type of player hit free agency like Stamkos you gave your list you just forgot those two people
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I can't help you anymore

I posted this a few months ago and maybe 89 can back this up - But my friend talked directly to a Sabres player this off season in a private setting and he said Stamkos has been here while he was injured and loves the city and training staff.

But that it's 50/50 on Murray's part because he's skeptical of contract demands. (The last part isn't from the player but a different source)
- bluengold12

I'm pretty sure they would give him whatever he wants which I'm fine with
They could give him a huge signing bonus and Murray has nothing to do with it
It's all Tp money

The exceptions not the rule though.

There's always exceptions. But I would take the sure thing.
- Stripes77

While I understand both sides to the draft crapshoot argument. Comments always lack context.

Fo example, 2015 was loaded. Trading the 21st pick in that draft is like trading the 10th or 12th pick in the 2014 draft.

Also, if you have a scouting staff/GM with a good track record, that pick or picks like it should be considered valuable

I can't help you anymore
- homiedclown

Can you just tell me what's wrong with my answer I'm not talking about their contracts or anything I'm talking about the players that hit FA

I'm pretty sure they would give him whatever he wants which I'm fine with
They could give him a huge signing bonus and Murray has nothing to do with it
It's all Tp money
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Not necessarily. If Murray is concerned the money wouldn't be analytically spent well on a player with blood clot history or his age/production etc. Maybe he doesn't pull the move because he looks at big picture of franchise.

I posted this a few months ago and maybe 89 can back this up - But my friend talked directly to a Sabres player this off season in a private setting and he said Stamkos has been here while he was injured and loves the city and training staff.

But that it's 50/50 on Murray's part because he's skeptical of contract demands. (The last part isn't from the player but a different source)
- bluengold12

Anything like this would HAVE to be tampering, wouldn't it??

Jiri Novotny agrees
- homiedclown

We could've traded that pick before it became him

Anything like this would HAVE to be tampering, wouldn't it??
- Der Kaiser

Like I said a lot of people do it they just don't get caught if people don't leak out the information

Anything like this would HAVE to be tampering, wouldn't it??
- Der Kaiser

No because he probably was just visiting and possibly knows friends in the organization who introduced him to training staff and maybe gave him some pointers. Or he knows of the training staff. I'm not sure.

Not necessarily. If Murray is concerned the money wouldn't be analytically spent well on a player with blood clot history or his age/production etc. Maybe he doesn't pull the move because he looks at big picture of franchise.
- bluengold12

I don't think Murray would have any say if Terry wants him IMO

i'm getting my hopes up like Brad Richards

Like I said a lot of people do it they just don't get caught if people don't leak out the information
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I guess I'm greedy I just don't like giving up a first that's just a little too steep for me you can do so many things with that pick but like you said it's for Stamkos
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Starting at 2010 and going backwards, to allow for players who have had time in the NHL, these are forwards drafted in the 2nd half of the 1st round who score at a 2/3 ppg rate:

Tarasenko
Kuznetsov
Eberle
Ennis (close - 223 in 368 games)
Pacioretty
Giroux
Oshie
Parise
Getzlaf
Perry
Mike Richards (close - 487 in 749 games)
Steen (close - 481 in 746 games)
Frolov
Justin Williams (close - 634 in 1000 games)

So...would you not take Stamkos - who had 64 points in 77 games - a DOWN year, over that possibility (0.83 points per game)?

Also note that more of these picks were pre-2008 (only 4 of these players drafted that recently, showing more finds like this are more rare in recent years)

No because he probably was just visiting and possibly knows friends in the organization who introduced him to training staff and maybe gave him some pointers. Or he knows of the training staff. I'm not sure.
- bluengold12

Can you just tell me what's wrong with my answer I'm not talking about their contracts or anything I'm talking about the players that hit FA
- GERBE!!!75PTS

your a buzz kill

your a buzz kill
- homiedclown

It's 3:00 pm, Holmes. Time to move toward blurry.