GR wasn't even in the NHL and look what the Oilers gave up for him. Truth is Big young Dman rarely get traded.
- nyisles7

Another guy who isn't in the NHL?

GR wasn't even in the NHL and look what the Oilers gave up for him. Truth is Big young Dman rarely get traded.
- nyisles7

The general rule of thumb is, apparently, make your trades with Western Canadian teams.

He will be in Vancouver.
- nyisles7

I honestly don't have much faith he'll ever become much of an impact defender. People overvalue "big" way too often.

I think his peak is probably going to be a average #4 defender, at best, that can play some sheltered minutes. Morel likely a good 3rd pairing defender.

I honestly don't have much faith he'll ever become much of an impact defender. People overvalue "big" way too often.
- eichiefs9

We will see. Look what happened to Hamilton when he was traded to the Flames. Boston were a55holes by everyone on here. Hamilton had a terrible year away from Boston. He could turn it around you don't know. Vancouver needs some young Dman.
You never know whats gonna happen, however it makes me laugh what is said on here at the time of trades etc.
Remember the penguins we gonna suck defensively and weren't built for the play offs.

Another guy who isn't in the NHL?
- Vukota

so the 2 first rounders in that deal are nothing but the 2nd in this one is just terrible? Come on

Forget about what the Flames gave for Hamilton.

so the 2 first rounders in that deal are nothing but the 2nd in this one is just terrible? Come on
- nyisles7

Who said that? Plus I was joking because you said GF isn't even in the NHL and look what they got and I replied a guy who isn't in the NHL? Am I wrong?

We will see. Look what happened to Hamilton when he was traded to the Flames. Boston were a55holes by everyone on here. Hamilton had a terrible year away from Boston. He could turn it around you don't know. Vancouver needs some young Dman.
You never know whats gonna happen, however it makes me laugh what is said on here at the time of trades etc.
Remember the penguins we gonna suck defensively and weren't built for the play offs.
- nyisles7

Hamilton had a rough start but completely corrected it and finished just fine. Regardless, one year sample-sizes mean nothing, really.

I don't specifically recall anyone saying that the Penguins weren't built for the playoffs either. That doesn't mean it wasn't said, just not something I can recall. Frankly, they were utterly terrible to start the year until they fired their coach and found one that instilled a system that fit the talent level on the team.

Hamilton had a rough start but completely corrected it and finished just fine. Regardless, one year sample-sizes mean nothing, really.

I don't specifically recall anyone saying that the Penguins weren't built for the playoffs either. That doesn't mean it wasn't said, just not something I can recall. Frankly, they were utterly terrible to start the year until they fired their coach and found one that instilled a system that fit the talent level on the team.
- eichiefs9

Ah the old "I remember when everybody was saying ...." Can't go wrong with that line

Hamilton had a rough start but completely corrected it and finished just fine. Regardless, one year sample-sizes mean nothing, really.

I don't specifically recall anyone saying that the Penguins weren't built for the playoffs either. That doesn't mean it wasn't said, just not something I can recall. Frankly, they were utterly terrible to start the year until they fired their coach and found one that instilled a system that fit the talent level on the team.
- eichiefs9

Mid-season I recall that the general sentiment on this board was that the Penguins who were then around 4th or 5th place in the division had horrible D other than Letang.

BTW, how does one find a coach to instill "a system that fit the talent level on the team"? Can we send Snow to Walmart?

So who wins tonight.....Pens or Tampa? I gotta go with Pens on this...

Mid-season I recall that the general sentiment on this board was that the Penguins who were then around 4th or 5th place in the division had horrible D other than Letang.

BTW, how does one find a coach to instill "a system that fit the talent level on the team"? Can we send Snow to Walmart?
- JohnScammo

Another in a long line of coaching changes helping a team. Pens have not done bad at all with Rutherford as GM either.

Mid-season I recall that the general sentiment on this board was that the Penguins who were then around 4th or 5th place in the division had horrible D other than Letang.

BTW, how does one find a coach to instill "a system that fit the talent level on the team"? Can we send Snow to Walmart?
- JohnScammo

Sure, that was the general sentiment. But their new coach sure seemed to change their system so it worked for them. It also helped that their rookie goaltender turned in an utterly jaw-dropping performance in replacement of an injured MAF, too.

And yes, you have to have him check in the "Mythical Creature" aisle.

Mid-season I recall that the general sentiment on this board was that the Penguins who were then around 4th or 5th place in the division had horrible D other than Letang.

BTW, how does one find a coach to instill "a system that fit the talent level on the team"? Can we send Snow to Walmart?
- JohnScammo

- Vukota

Is Snow old enough to be a greeter?

Is Snow old enough to be a greeter?
- eichiefs9

Technically he might not be but if you go by looks then I would say yes

Hamilton had a rough start but completely corrected it and finished just fine. Regardless, one year sample-sizes mean nothing, really.

I don't specifically recall anyone saying that the Penguins weren't built for the playoffs either. That doesn't mean it wasn't said, just not something I can recall. Frankly, they were utterly terrible to start the year until they fired their coach and found one that instilled a system that fit the talent level on the team.
- eichiefs9

Hamilton was just a 1 trade on here Chief that I used. He sucked for what they gave up for him can we agree on that, come on.

OMG when Pittsburg signed Kes, the Pens were in trouble defensively they stink and they were going to have to win games 7-6 Blah, blah, blah. Not suited for playoff type games. It was all on here like a gang of rabid dogs.
Not saying anything is wrong with that, it's what makes this web site work.
It's just funny looking back.
Lets not talk about what changing a coach can do

Really what did the Nucks give up for a 6'5 220 Lbs. 24 year old stay at home defenseman?
Compare that to the other big young defensive defensemen traded.
On top of that the Nucks are in need of some young Dman imho.

Hamilton was just a 1 trade on here Chief that I used. He sucked for what they gave up for him can we agree on that, come on.

OMG when Pittsburg signed Kes, the Pens were in trouble defensively they stink and they were going to have to win games 7-6 Blah, blah, blah. Not suited for playoff type games. It was all on here like a gang of rabid dogs.
Not saying anything is wrong with that, it's what makes this web site work.
It's just funny looking back.
Lets not talk about what changing a coach can do

Really what did the Nucks give up for a 6'5 220 Lbs. 24 year old stay at home defenseman?
Compare that to the other big young defensive defensemen traded.
On top of that the Nucks are in need of some young Dman imho.
- nyisles7

I reported this by accident...sorry

The days of the "stay-at-home" defenseman being a valuable thing are long gone. You need to have defensemen that can advance the puck up the ice, not stand around and just try to hammer guys because you're bigger than them. He's not very good defensively. He's a negative possession player. He's just big and mean, that's about it.

This was a panicky move by a GM who coveted a guy because he's big and the GM's team plays in the big, bad Pacific division. He traded a 19 year old that was a positive possession player on one of the biggest tire-fire teams in the league and is only going to improve. And on top of that, he included the 33rd overall pick (and a 4th)

I'm not saying Gudbranson is terrible or will "hurt" the Canucks. But what they gave up for him was a grotesque overpayment. That, coupled with the fact that Gudbranson turned down $4.5M a year from the Panthers and is due a contract in a year, is what will hurt them.

Who said that? Plus I was joking because you said GF isn't even in the NHL and look what they got and I replied a guy who isn't in the NHL? Am I wrong?
- Vukota

Wasn't pointed at you saying that, and no you aren't wrong but look at what The Oilers gave up for GR who can't skate and didn't even stick the whole year with the big club, and we are talking the defensively handicapped Oilers!

I just don't think it was a terrible deal like most inhere do for the Canucks. just my opinion.

Hamilton was just a 1 trade on here Chief that I used. He sucked for what they gave up for him can we agree on that, come on.

OMG when Pittsburg signed Kes, the Pens were in trouble defensively they stink and they were going to have to win games 7-6 Blah, blah, blah. Not suited for playoff type games. It was all on here like a gang of rabid dogs.
Not saying anything is wrong with that, it's what makes this web site work.
It's just funny looking back.
Lets not talk about what changing a coach can do

Really what did the Nucks give up for a 6'5 220 Lbs. 24 year old stay at home defenseman?
Compare that to the other big young defensive defensemen traded.
On top of that the Nucks are in need of some young Dman imho.
- nyisles7

Yeah, but is Gudbranson right-handed or left-handed? Did Vancouver need a violin or a cello?

I reported this by accident...sorry

The days of the "stay-at-home" defenseman being a valuable thing are long gone. You need to have defensemen that can advance the puck up the ice, not stand around and just try to hammer guys because you're bigger than them. He's not very good defensively. He's a negative possession player. He's just big and mean, that's about it.

This was a panicky move by a GM who coveted a guy because he's big and the GM's team plays in the big, bad Pacific division. He traded a 19 year old that was a positive possession player on one of the biggest tire-fire teams in the league and is only going to improve. And on top of that, he included the 33rd overall pick (and a 4th)

I'm not saying Gudbranson is terrible or will "hurt" the Canucks. But what they gave up for him was a grotesque overpayment. That, coupled with the fact that Gudbranson turned down $4.5M a year from the Panthers and is due a contract in a year, is what will hurt them.
- eichiefs9

Who said this coach gogo engage Capuano?

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Yeah, but is Gudbranson right-handed or left-handed? Did Vancouver need a violin or a cello?
- JohnScammo

Now thats (frank)ing funny!!!

Wasn't pointed at you saying that, and no you aren't wrong but look at what The Oilers gave up for GR who can't skate and didn't even stick the whole year with the big club, and we are talking the defensively handicapped Oilers!

I just don't think it was a terrible deal like most inhere do for the Canucks. just my opinion.
- nyisles7

I don't know how anybody can judge this deal now instead of waiting a few years to see. As far as GR goes yeah right now it looks good for the isles but if you have to wait and see with these big young D-men like everybody on here is saying then doesn't that hold true for GR as well?

Who said this coach gogo engage Capuano?

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- nyisles7

The future, much like the present, won't involve antiquated narratives for defensemen either

Yeah, but is Gudbranson right-handed or left-handed? Did Vancouver need a violin or a cello?
- JohnScammo

Fiddle

I reported this by accident...sorry

The days of the "stay-at-home" defenseman being a valuable thing are long gone. You need to have defensemen that can advance the puck up the ice, not stand around and just try to hammer guys because you're bigger than them. He's not very good defensively. He's a negative possession player. He's just big and mean, that's about it.

This was a panicky move by a GM who coveted a guy because he's big and the GM's team plays in the big, bad Pacific division. He traded a 19 year old that was a positive possession player on one of the biggest tire-fire teams in the league and is only going to improve. And on top of that, he included the 33rd overall pick (and a 4th)

I'm not saying Gudbranson is terrible or will "hurt" the Canucks. But what they gave up for him was a grotesque overpayment. That, coupled with the fact that Gudbranson turned down $4.5M a year from the Panthers and is due a contract in a year, is what will hurt them.
- eichiefs9

The kid hasn't put the Nucks jersey on yet or played a minute of hockey with his new team and him wanting more money is gonna kill them? What if he has a tremendous season, (not as great as Hamilton or GR of course:lol
It amazes me that NHL GM's don't throw out a trade on Hockey Buzz to see what kind of approval rating they get