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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 26 @ 9:23 AM ET


Since July 1st 2015.


- eichiefs9


Ooof...
Pray for Van.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 26 @ 9:27 AM ET
So we give them bailey for a 2nd and who on their team
- Upstate_isles


Virtanen and Baertschi probably. Benning will throw in a 4th for good measure.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 26 @ 9:47 AM ET
Which one of you (frank)ers killed the Oilers thread? Did it have anything to do with de Haan for Hall?
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

May 26 @ 9:49 AM ET
Do Ranger fans really think they will get Shattenkirk for Nash? even if the Rangers ate half of Nash's contract I would never do that if I were the Blues.
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

May 26 @ 9:50 AM ET
The "D" is the most settled and solid unit in this team right now. It's the unit that needs the least attention. Yes, every team could stand to add a top 4 Dman and every team could stand to improve their defense, but that's a lot easier said than done. With the expansion draft looming and the issues with the top nine and what to do with goaltending, the last unit the isles should be worrying about is the "D".
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

May 26 @ 9:51 AM ET
Barzal for Reinhart
- DeflatedPucks

Maybe for Sam Reinhart, not Griffin.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 26 @ 9:53 AM ET
So we give them bailey for a 2nd and who on their team
- Upstate_isles

Seriously, Snow should just call up Jim Benning and just start arbitrarily asking for their good players. Literally no harm can come of it.

"Hey Jim, we told Bailey we're looking to potentially move him and he said he really loves British Columbia. How about Virtanen?"

"Garth we really like Virtanen, would you take Horvat and 2 firsts?"
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 26 @ 9:54 AM ET
Do Ranger fans really think they will get Shattenkirk for Nash? even if the Rangers ate half of Nash's contract I would never do that if I were the Blues.
- Danformo

They wouldn't get Ryan Reaves for Nash
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 9:54 AM ET
"Marek Zidlicky and Brian Strait are both unrestricted free agents and will not be back." Please God be true... please.. addition by subtraction. Isles are immediately a better team with this point alone than last year.

I am not worried at all about Boychuk. I don't care what he said in his exit interviews. The guy could barely walk when I saw him at Iceworks... and he was getting better as the playoffs progressed. He will be fine next year and is a HUGE guy to have in locker room.

I could see DeHaan being moved at trade Deadline next year once they are more comfortable with Pulock moving to top 4.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 26 @ 9:56 AM ET
"Marek Zidlicky and Brian Strait are both unrestricted free agents and will not be back." Please God be true... please.. addition by subtraction. Isles are immediately a better team with this point alone than last year.

I am not worried at all about Boychuk. I don't care what he said in his exit interviews. The guy could barely walk when I saw him at Iceworks... and he was getting better as the playoffs progressed. He will be fine next year and is a HUGE guy to have in locker room.

I could see DeHaan being moved at trade Deadline next year once they are more comfortable with Pulock moving to top 4.

- niteislander

What did Boychuk say?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 26 @ 9:59 AM ET
Do Ranger fans really think they will get Shattenkirk for Nash? even if the Rangers ate half of Nash's contract I would never do that if I were the Blues.
- Danformo


Yes. I have polled them all
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 10:04 AM ET
Do Ranger fans really think they will get Shattenkirk for Nash? even if the Rangers ate half of Nash's contract I would never do that if I were the Blues.
- Danformo


Blues pretty stacked on Defense. Gunnerson, Boumeester and Pietrangelo signed for 3 or 4 more years. Shattenkirk is UFA next year and will cost a lot to resign. Lindbohlm, Parayako, Edmunsun, Bortuzzo, all young solid prospects... I could see them making this move. Especially if Rangers eat Salary and get a pick.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 10:06 AM ET
What did Boychuk say?
- eichiefs9


He said in exit interview he wasn't hurt... All that means is he did not need surgery. The guy could barely walk.. I know u guys think I am full of crap but why would I lie about it. he signed my kids hat..

Me: u ok?
him: getting there.. Playoffs man.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 26 @ 10:06 AM ET
Blues pretty stacked on Defense. Gunnerson, Boumeester and Pietrangelo signed for 3 or 4 more years. Shattenkirk is UFA next year and will cost a lot to resign. Lindbohlm, Parayako, Edmunsun, Bortuzzo, all young solid prospects... I could see them making this move. Especially if Rangers eat Salary and get a pick.
- niteislander


That would kind of defeat the purpose though. Plus would the Rangers be able to re-sign what Shatenkirk will be looking for after next year? Probably not.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 26 @ 10:11 AM ET
That would kind of defeat the purpose though. Plus would the Rangers be able to re-sign what Shatenkirk will be looking for after next year? Probably not.
- mdw7413

In all honesty, I don't think Rick Nash could possibly have any less value than he does right now. I think he plays out the season and the Rangers explore trading him either next offseason or at the 2018 deadline. He's coming off a career-worst year and makes a lot of money. No team is going to trade anything valuable for him when they have to commit that much money for two full seasons.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 10:12 AM ET
That would kind of defeat the purpose though. Plus would the Rangers be able to re-sign what Shatenkirk will be looking for after next year? Probably not.
- mdw7413

Kind of the Rangers's M.O... no? Give up the future for right now.. Yandle, Staal, St. Loius, etc. I easily see them making this move eating 1 or 2 mill of salary to get it done. Not sure how I feel about it which probably means it makes sense for both teams...no?

Blues let Jackman go without getting anything back for him... don't see them doing it again with Shattenkirk.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

May 26 @ 10:14 AM ET
Kind of the Rangers's M.O... no? Give up the future for right now.. Yandle, Staal, St. Loius, etc. I easily see them making this move eating 1 or 2 mill of salary to get it done. Not sure how I feel about it which probably means it makes sense for both teams...no?

Blues let Jackman go without getting anything back for him... don't see them doing it again with Shattenkirk.

- niteislander

Yeah but Jackman is a steaming pile of badger shat
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 10:14 AM ET
Yeah but Jackman is a steaming pile of badger shat
- eichiefs9


He is now.. but was pretty solid player for them for a long time.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 26 @ 10:15 AM ET
In all honesty, I don't think Rick Nash could possibly have any less value than he does right now. I think he plays out the season and the Rangers explore trading him either next offseason or at the 2018 deadline. He's coming off a career-worst year and makes a lot of money. No team is going to trade anything valuable for him when they have to commit that much money for two full seasons.
- eichiefs9


Thing about Nash though, he was injured a good portion of the year, also he tends to do the alternating good Nash/bad Nash every year. Next year he scores at least 30 during the regular season.

I do agree with your general statement though about the money. Its why niteislander is right they would have to eat salary but at that point it just makes sense to just keep Nash. Also if he is having a very good year next year and the Rangers as a team aren't doing well, could be a deadline move for a desperate team.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

May 26 @ 10:19 AM ET
Kind of the Rangers's M.O... no? Give up the future for right now.. Yandle, Staal, St. Loius, etc. I easily see them making this move eating 1 or 2 mill of salary to get it done. Not sure how I feel about it which probably means it makes sense for both teams...no?

Blues let Jackman go without getting anything back for him... don't see them doing it again with Shattenkirk.

- niteislander


True, its the way they have been going, and I can't blame them lately. Just have a feeling Rangers are going to pretty much stand pat and make some minor role player moves.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to get Shattenkirk and somehow lose one of Girardi or Staal off the books, but unless one of those 2 is gone, I don't see the Rangers doing anything significant on defense.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 26 @ 10:25 AM ET
WTF DID Vancouver JUST DO
- Dan Petriw


initially when I heard about this I was thinking it was just an odd trade, before I heard about the picks. Vancouver needed another defenseman, but giving up the 33rd overall and a 4th to get back a 5th, and giving up mccann? They're going to have to offer gudbranson 5 mil per to keep him....and he'll slot into THEIR top four, but he's not a top 4 guy.

the picks kill me. a rebuilding team repeatedly tossing away 2nd round picks...

I liked what I saw from mccann as a 19 y/o on a team that really struggled to score goals. He's weak on draws but that's expected stepping up from the ohl to nhl. I don't think florida needed another center, but I think Vancouver overpaid in a big way.
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

May 26 @ 10:25 AM ET
True, its the way they have been going, and I can't blame them lately. Just have a feeling Rangers are going to pretty much stand pat and make some minor role player moves.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to get Shattenkirk and somehow lose one of Girardi or Staal off the books, but unless one of those 2 is gone, I don't see the Rangers doing anything significant on defense.

- mdw7413


it makes sense b/c Henrik is not getting younger. window on him is clearly closing.

blues need to sign Backes and Brouwer. just losing Shattenkirk and Ott gets them over 7 mill in cap room.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

May 26 @ 10:32 AM ET
In all honesty, I don't think Rick Nash could possibly have any less value than he does right now. I think he plays out the season and the Rangers explore trading him either next offseason or at the 2018 deadline. He's coming off a career-worst year and makes a lot of money. No team is going to trade anything valuable for him when they have to commit that much money for two full seasons.
- eichiefs9


Have to think there will not be a Gomez type move with Nash. At least I hope not.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

May 26 @ 10:44 AM ET
Have to think there will not be a Gomez type move with Nash. At least I hope not.
- ses111



I think Nash is a better player than Gomez ever was. When the Rangers signed Gomez for 8 million a year, i wanna say he was coming off a 12 goal season. Bananas!!!!
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

May 26 @ 10:52 AM ET
I think Nash is a better player than Gomez ever was. When the Rangers signed Gomez for 8 million a year, i wanna say he was coming off a 12 goal season. Bananas!!!!
- kindlyrick


13 goals, 60 points total.
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