Should have gone back to Boucher after game two...
- Feanor

totally agree and it haunts me still

Nothing personal but I disagree.

NHL officials are absolute horsepoop trash. Mother (frank)ing tenured positions.
- flyer_nutter

(frank) the referees coming straight from the underground

Hate hate hate the offsides challenge. Everytime a goal is scored the coaches automatically check if it was offsides microscopically, even 20 seconds earlier when it was far removed and pretty much irrelevant to the goal. It's just become borderline farcical. I like the other coaches challenges, but this particular one has run amok over the league.

Hate hate hate the offsides challenge. Everytime a goal is scored the coaches automatically check if it was offsides microscopically, even 20 seconds earlier when it was far removed and pretty much irrelevant to the goal. It's just become borderline farcical. I like the other coaches challenges, but this particular one has run amok over the league.
- Mononoke

like last night

like last night
- Scoob

Yeah, last night sucked. But it was the right call according to the rules.

like last night
- Scoob

Like most nights. Rarely is it egregious and rarely does it directly lead to the goal. It's nanometer BS that is simply impossible to detect by the naked eye. And it can make the refs afraid to let 50-50 onsides play on. They get hyper sensitive blowing it dead.

I'm sure in the league's mind it thought it'd be like Briere's breakaway goal being reviewed, but the coaches exploit it horribly. It's the first thing they look for on any goal scored through the NZ. Theoretically, it is nice. The rule has been made ridiculous in action.

With you on this one, Scoob
- BiggE

look at you guys sticking together

It'll be the hockey version of the alley-oop slam.
- mayorofangrytown

can we have a slam ball reference two days in a row?

Weal will be kept and come to camp needing to earn a job. If, as is my guess, he fails to earn one, they'll waive him. If someone takes him, no biggie, and if not, the Phantoms get a very good AHL player.
- BiggE

Chris Portered

Yeah, last night sucked. But it was the right call according to the rules.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree.

can we have a slam ball reference two days in a row?
- YuenglingJagr

Yes! Yes we can.

Like most nights. Rarely is it egregious and rarely does it directly lead to the goal. It's nanometer BS that is simply impossible to detect by the naked eye. And it can make the refs afraid to let 50-50 onsides play on. They get hyper sensitive blowing it dead.

I'm sure in the league's mind it thought it'd be like Briere's breakaway goal being reviewed, but the coaches exploit it horribly. It's the first thing they look for on any goal scored through the NZ. Theoretically, it is nice. The rule has been made ridiculous in action.
- Mononoke

I dont agree that the coaches are exploiting it..
By definition that play was offisdes last night so if you want to complain that offsides needs to be reviewed that is fine but I dont have a problem with the review.

That being said for a league that wants to improve scoring it seems silly to implement a way to take away goals.

I agree.
- Scoob

I also feel that is was directly part of the play too. But that being said, they are going to have to tweak the rule because all the challenges have become a joke.

Hate hate hate the offsides challenge. Everytime a goal is scored the coaches automatically check if it was offsides microscopically, even 20 seconds earlier when it was far removed and pretty much irrelevant to the goal. It's just become borderline farcical. I like the other coaches challenges, but this particular one has run amok over the league.
- Mononoke

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Every goal should be reviewed by the refs anyway. Football reviews all scoring plays and I think it makes a big difference. With hockey, there's only a handful of goals per game anyway. Why not make sure that the biggest plays in the game are legitimate?

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Every goal should be reviewed by the refs anyway. Football reviews all scoring plays and I think it makes a big difference. With hockey, there's only a handful of goals per game anyway. Why not make sure that the biggest plays in the game are legitimate?
- steelydan

So if we're talking football, after a touchdown is scored you'd be okay if they went back and reviewed to see if there was holding on the play? Gotta make sure no rules were broken right?

I dont agree that the coaches are exploiting it..
By definition that play was offisdes last night so if you want to complain that offsides needs to be reviewed that is fine but I dont have a problem with the review.
- opeth_pa

I would like it gone is what I'd like. On every single goal scored where the puck moved through the NZ, the coaches get their video team to rewatch it to see if someone's skate blade lifted 2 nanometers off the ice. And these are undetectable by a ref at full speed.

I don't think the NHL realized how many plays were microscopically offsides. If they want to keep it, it has to be tweaked because this is awful.

I would like it gone is what I'd like. On every single goal scored where the puck moved through the NZ, the coaches get their video team to rewatch it to see if someone's skate blade lifted 2 nanometers off the ice. And these are undetectable by a ref at full speed.

I don't think the NHL realized how many plays were microscopically offsides. If they want to keep it, it has to be tweaked because this is awful.
- Mononoke

I agree. This skate on the ice thing is completely ridiculous.

So if we're talking football, after a touchdown is scored you'd be okay if they went back and reviewed to see if there was holding on the play? Gotta make sure no rules were broken right?
- mayorofangrytown

Exactly. If you can challenge a micro-offsides, why can't you challenge a clear obstruction that prevented a scoring chance? Why not challenge an uncalled breakaway shot? Don't these affect play more than a teeny tiny offsides?

(You shouldn't is my point)

I agree. This skate on the ice thing is completely ridiculous.
- mayorofangrytown

I don't agree. just like football, that would be like saying your foot is touching out of bounds, but because your other foot is in the air in bounds you should be considered in bounds.

So if we're talking football, after a touchdown is scored you'd be okay if they went back and reviewed to see if there was holding on the play? Gotta make sure no rules were broken right?
- mayorofangrytown

Football reviews how many aspects on a good touchdown? Two feet in, control of the ball, and breaking the plane for receivers. Runners are reviewed on breaking the plane.

Hockey could review off-sides and kicking a puck.

No one is saying review every aspect of a play. But for the major parts of a play; why not? This is a new age where technology can give the sport a black eye in a hurry. It happens in every sport. Why would Hockey be able to fight it off? Nothing wrong with wanting the best product out there. And as long as the review process gets stronger and faster as the months go on; who cares? Live with the growing pains as you do for all rule changes.

I'm not sure what the big deal is. Every goal should be reviewed by the refs anyway. Football reviews all scoring plays and I think it makes a big difference. With hockey, there's only a handful of goals per game anyway. Why not make sure that the biggest plays in the game are legitimate?
- steelydan

Football is much easier to do that. Each play is discreet. Hockey is different.

How far back in the play do you start? A missed penalty call 45 seconds before a goal is scored at the other end should negate a goal then, right?

Football is much easier to do that. Each play is discreet. Hockey is different.

How far back in the play do you start? A missed penalty call 45 seconds before a goal is scored at the other end should negate a goal then, right?
- Scoob

No absolutely not. But a call on the very play where the goal was scored, that could and should be reviewed.

Football reviews how many aspects on a good touchdown? Two feet in, control of the ball, and breaking the plane for receivers. Runners are reviewed on breaking the plane.

Hockey could review off-sides and kicking a puck.

No one is saying review every aspect of a play. But for the major parts of a play; why not? This is a new age where technology can give the sport a black eye in a hurry. It happens in every sport. Why would Hockey be able to fight it off? Nothing wrong with wanting the best product out there. And as long as the review process gets stronger and faster as the months go on; who cares? Live with the growing pains as you do for all rule changes.
- steelydan

This is the biggest question I think. Is it making the game better?

I don't think it is.

I don't agree. just like football, that would be like saying your foot is touching out of bounds, but because your other foot is in the air in bounds you should be considered in bounds.
- MBFlyerfan

If we are talking about scoring plays, wouldn't that be different though? A touchdown reviewing if the receiver is out of bounds would be more like reviewing a high stick deflect or a kick in or w/e. You're reviewing the scoring play there. An offsides is not reviewing a goal...it is reviewing a play that indirectly led to a goal. Like a hold in football or offsides in football that didn't get called. An offsides in hockey is a mid play thing, not a completionary play like out of bounds.

Football is much easier to do that. Each play is discreet. Hockey is different.

How far back in the play do you start? A missed penalty call 45 seconds before a goal is scored at the other end should negate a goal then, right?
- Scoob

No.

I'm confused why people keep putting words in my mouth. I'm not stating that missed penalties from 45 seconds back should negate a goal. In fact, I felt I stated my position clearly.

Hockey continues to review aspects pertaining to the goal. Each goal should be reviewed on the following criteria: Off-sides, Kicking a puck, and goalie interference (forgot that one). How hard would it be for a "War Room" to review that aspect of every goal in a given game? Would the wait outweigh the unfairness that a team/coach/fan might feel towards a bad call?

It takes one second to let a bad call affect an entire game. It'll probably take one minute to have a bad call rectified and restore a level playing field.