I don't see how it is all that ridiculous. If the player is offside the goal shouldn't count as the play should have been stopped. There shouldn't be any question regarding to what degree it affected the following play as it would just result in more controversy.

I don't how people can acknowledge that it was offside but then argue that it didn't affect the play. There's too much subjectivity involved if the refs are going to have to determine whether or not it affected the goal that was scored. At least an offside call is black-and-white.
- lemieux_66

Because he was only technically offside. His body clearly didn't beat the puck into the zone, but one skate did while his trailing skate was off the ice. That's what I find so odd about the rule. But it is what it is at this point. Game 7 tomorrow night should be fun.

I never suggested it was bias or unfair

I suggested it's a ridiculous challenge thst has turned into something else altogether from what was intended.

I believe that it will be tweaked or changed this offseason
- HB77

Doesn't every OT challenge do that? Why be up in arms now for this 1? If you have a problem with all the challenges why bring the Pens fans into it? Just say all fans teams that the coach challenges a call??

Has the Bolts ever challenged a goal? Did they win the challenge?

You lift your back skate off the ice in order to start your stride. This could able you to arrive at the net .3 seconds faster. Goals have been scored with less than .3 seconds left on the clock. It's that simple. Do hockey a favor and never write about it again.
- Grinder47

What?

Because he was only technically offside. His body clearly didn't beat the puck into the zone, but one skate did while his trailing skate was off the ice. That's what I find so odd about the rule. But it is what it is at this point. Game 7 tomorrow night should be fun.
- wolfhounds

With all the missed calls through a game, I can't believe people are whinging this much about a 'rule' that is black & white! Everyone knows the rule right? Players know the rule don't they? If so, don't break the (frank)ing things & you won't get goals challenged! Pretty simple!

EK should put up a blog where everyone can whinge about a rule they think is stupid. Watch the pages fly by as people argue their points against sanity!

the rule literally needs to be if both the players feet are inside the blue line the play is off sides.... if one foot is in and the other isnt over the line no matter if its in the air or not it should be fair. the refs usually wave off the delayed offsides now with a simple curl over the line even if the player doesn't come all the way out anymore. horrible rule and changed the game completely. the coaches challenge is also horrible. its killed the momentum of tons of games. coaches do it now just to delay the play for minutes and minutes and kill all the momentum of the other team scoring a goal.

I don't see how it is all that ridiculous. If the player is offside the goal shouldn't count as the play should have been stopped. There shouldn't be any question regarding to what degree it affected the following play as it would just result in more controversy.

I don't how people can acknowledge that it was offside but then argue that it didn't affect the play. There's too much subjectivity involved if the refs are going to have to determine whether or not it affected the goal that was scored. At least an offside call is black-and-white.
- lemieux_66

Of course you don't. It benefitted your team

But anyone capable of unbiased thought with an ounce of rationality can see the flaws in this rule. Especially the tool it's become for coaches

Anyways, yes pens fans. It was offside .

With all the missed calls through a game, I can't believe people are whinging this much about a 'rule' that is black & white! Everyone knows the rule right? Players know the rule don't they? If so, don't break the (frank)ing things & you won't get goals challenged! Pretty simple!

EK should put up a blog where everyone can whinge about a rule they think is stupid. Watch the pages fly by as people argue their points against sanity!
- Aussiepenguin

Ahhhh The self righteousness of those who benefitted from the call.
And no need for any rational or logical thought cause "that's the rules"

It's a beautiful thing to read

With all the missed calls through a game, I can't believe people are whinging this much about a 'rule' that is black & white! Everyone knows the rule right? Players know the rule don't they? If so, don't break the (frank)ing things & you won't get goals challenged! Pretty simple!

EK should put up a blog where everyone can whinge about a rule they think is stupid. Watch the pages fly by as people argue their points against sanity!
- Aussiepenguin

Think you're missing the point, at least my point.

And you're also complaining about people complaining, so...

Of course you don't. It benefitted your team

But anyone capable of unbiased thought with an ounce of rationality can see the flaws in this rule. Especially the tool it's become for coaches

Anyways, yes pens fans. It was offside .
- HB77

You act like that call has never gone against the Pens. Every team employs a video review coach for this exact reason. EVERY TEAM. If the linesman got it right, would this even be a,discussion? It was offside and technology now allows for the correct call to be made. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Did Edmonton challenge for offside this year? The reality is all coaches have the ability to challenge off side. It is not a brand new concept that was just instituted for the playoffs. You don't like the fact coaches can challenge off side. Fine we get it. Don't try to subtly suggest this,was,some type of unfair advantage.

You act like that call has never gone against the Pens. Every team employs a video review coach for this exact reason. EVERY TEAM. If the linesman got it right, would this even be a,discussion? It was offside and technology now allows for the correct call to be made. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
- PittsPens

No linesman is ever going to get that call right because Drouin is straddling the line and barely moving. No way a linesman calls that offside with the naked eye.

Ahhhh The self righteousness of those who benefitted from the call.
And no need for any rational or logical thought cause "that's the rules"

It's a beautiful thing to read
- HB77

I wasn't female doging & whinging when we were penalised 3 times for delay of game against the Caps.

Didn't see you comment (nor was I looking), when the Blues were penalised against the Hawks? (Or was that different?? ).

I'm gob smacked that people are arguing about a rule that's been in place for how long??? Now that the technology has caught up it can be enforced - & you know what, it is the same for E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E!

No linesman is ever going to get that call right because Drouin is straddling the line and barely moving. No way a linesman calls that offside with the naked eye.
- wolfhounds

There's is no way for you to know that. I was simply saying, if the call was offside by the linesman are we having this discussion? We both know the answer to that question.

I never suggested it was bias or unfair

I suggested it's a ridiculous challenge thst has turned into something else altogether from what was intended.

I believe that it will be tweaked or changed this offseason
- HB77

So you think they will remove the ability of coaches to challenge offsides? Because that's the only way I could see them making any changes. My guess is they keep it the same - I don't see a feasible small tweak that could be made.

Think you're missing the point, at least my point.

And you're also complaining about people complaining, so...
- wolfhounds

(that's my line!! ).

I think the bottom line here is that whether or not it's black and white, or whether or not it was a good call, is that it is flat out ruining the game experience for the fans - PERIOD! Moreover, not a single fan that I've heard of was asking for this rule, or complaining that offside's calls were being missed and unfairly changing the outcome of the game. If we looked back at all of the goals scored in the last 10 years, how many would they have taken away that we would never have known about? I'm sure it's hundreds, maybe into 4-digits.

I'm sick of watching games now where when my team scores, I have to wait for a puck to drop before the goal is actually official. When can I celebrate? I don't know because after 45 seconds of zone time, we may be able to go back and find that someone's skate was a sliver offside. Absolutely ABSURD!!!!!!!!!

(that's my line!! ).
- Aussiepenguin

Darn Aussie's.

No linesman is ever going to get that call right because Drouin is straddling the line and barely moving. No way a linesman calls that offside with the naked eye.
- wolfhounds

That's exactly why they have a replay of that particular situation.

If offside is the same as it always has been...and now you have these video replays that show a guy was offside on a play that resulted in a goal (like a certain Flyer a few years back)...then it seems to me to be a legitimate situation to allow a challenge for.

I think the bottom line here is that whether or not it's black and white, or whether or not it was a good call, is that it is flat out ruining the game experience for the fans - PERIOD! Moreover, not a single fan that I've heard of was asking for this rule, or complaining that offside's calls were being missed and unfairly changing the outcome of the game. If we looked back at all of the goals scored in the last 10 years, how many would they have taken away that we would never have known about? I'm sure it's hundreds, maybe into 4-digits.

I'm sick of watching games now where when my team scores, I have to wait for a puck to drop before the goal is actually official. When can I celebrate? I don't know because after 45 seconds of zone time, we may be able to go back and find that someone's skate was a sliver offside. Absolutely ABSURD!!!!!!!!!
- Cup Crazy '07

That's actually been a big dilemma here for the past 5-10 years with our video refs. It's been changed that many times but we've never had a coaches challenge, if the on field refs aren't sure they ask for a review. I think we're all used to the stoppages now even though we still female dog about it.

I think it's a personal thing, do you want a game won on an illegal play, or do you want the right calls made when a goal is scored??

With the refs calling what they want, the ice is already tilted against certain teams in different games. In the end I like seeing the rules enforced & if there are any grey areas (which there isn't in this case), then common sense prevail!

Why isn't there any review for foul play? Or play deemed dangerous enough for an instant review?

Yes, I'm well aware that Hockey and football are two different sports just trying to draw a correlation between the two rules and how people think one is ridiculous and the other is a great rule. There is a line, correct if you are over the line you are either offside or out of bounds correct? What makes that ridiculous?
- defabbo

In football your not out of bounds until you touch the ground. Foot can hover over the line no big deal. And if you go out of bounds it's spotted as where your foot crossed the line in the air. In this instance the foot in question was in the air but never crossed the line. Foot in air shouldn't make it offside foot crossing the line should (in the air or not). They are 2 very different rules with very different structures but like in football should be where it crosses. An onside foot off the ice should still be onside.

I think the bottom line here is that whether or not it's black and white, or whether or not it was a good call, is that it is flat out ruining the game experience for the fans - PERIOD! Moreover, not a single fan that I've heard of was asking for this rule, or complaining that offside's calls were being missed and unfairly changing the outcome of the game. If we looked back at all of the goals scored in the last 10 years, how many would they have taken away that we would never have known about? I'm sure it's hundreds, maybe into 4-digits.

I'm sick of watching games now where when my team scores, I have to wait for a puck to drop before the goal is actually official. When can I celebrate? I don't know because after 45 seconds of zone time, we may be able to go back and find that someone's skate was a sliver offside. Absolutely ABSURD!!!!!!!!!
- Cup Crazy '07

But it's the rules!!
And it's really enhanced the promotion of fairness !!
Drouin was given a massive advantage that was directly correlated to him scoring that goal.

Thank god for video replay !!!


-as ridiculous as this is, this is seriously some of the pens fans argument. Until the shoe is on the other foot of course.
Then rationality may take over

14 pages of people whining about video review and offsides?

The rule is stupid and needs to be fixed, but its still the rule as it stands now for all teams fair and square. If it happened the other way I would be pissed too, but its not the reason Tampa is facing a game 7. Time to move on, people.

If his back foot was on the ice or not, he was offside, because his front foot was. I'm saying the advantage is the seemingly fraction of a second jump he has by not having to waste any time for his next stride. If he was a few inches back in the same position, he would be onside, but a few inches back. He would still have the advantage of not delaying on his next stride. But more than likely, a player would have his front foot lifted if they are straddling the blue line, and thus would be onside but lose the advantage of having his next stride immediate. it's the combination of having this stride advantage with being..well, offside.
- Blackstrom2

You only need 1 foot on or behind the line to be considered onsides. Had his back foot been DOWN ON THE ICE he would have been onsides. Again, same position on ice. Same entry into the zone. Puck would have been in same position relative to where and when he was entering the zone.

Seriously, go back and read. Drouin was NOT offside, he was NOT onside either. The rule for offside is far from cut and dry. Go back a page or two and read the real actual rule from the NHL.
- Kucherovski

Skate was off the ice. Rule clearly states that skate/ice contact is determining factor in offsides.

He was offside. Not arguing it. I just don't think the fact that most of his body was not in the offensive zone but his skate was up therefore he's offside makes a lot of sense.
- wolfhounds

This

Whats the difference of standing on one foot in the offensive zone with your other foot in the air on the other side, and standing on two feet with your hand on the other side? You're arguing to complicate things with gray areas and discretion, which would lead for more reviews and bad calls
- WhiteLie

So you believe it is more difficult for a linesman to determine (using the vertical axis) if a player crossed before the puck vs the current rules making lineman have to determine if a player's skate was on the ice before he crossed the blue line vs when the puck does?