You really are dumb. Time to head to the beach
- tpd11

Really, I don't give a s**t. Really you're still crying and moaning 12 hours later, Pathetic.

Duh where was the change that brought the coaches challenge. I wasn't talking about why it was reviewed you imbecile
- tpd11

Then what in (frank)s name are you talking about?

I'm not a huge fan of the rule, same with delay of game for shooting over the glass. But I hate the idea of making it judgement call for the refs much more.

What is the fix? A player's skate that is off the ice but hasn't crossed the blue line is onside? Then you have refs making judgment calls if part of a player's skate that is off the ice is still above the blue line. It's the same with shooting the puck over the glass. Do you really want refs determining intent of the player shooting the puck? Can you imagine the fans of opposing teams calling the league fixed when a call goes against their team?

The best way to handle this is the way it is now. It's black and white. Your skate is off the ice and your other is in the zone, offsides. You shoot the puck over the glass from your own zone without it being deflected, delay of game. End of story.

I guess you are the type of person who in an argument, jump on a person who uses incorrect gramar. Its a "rule" and the other party made a mistake, but does it really effect the argument?

We had a goal against us challenged and overruled on a similar situation against the Wings and I said the same thing then: The offside rule is there for a very good reason, but the reason is not that an quarter of an inch of a players skate effects the game.
- Cloud

That's what you extrapolated from my post? Sounds like sour grapes to me, pal.

If the role was reversed, you'd have no problem with the call and you know it. You might still not like the Coach's Challenge, but you'd have no problem with the call.

a league desperate for more offense taking away legitimate goals.

Isn't this the same league that has discussed widening the net and changing the sport just to get more offense?

the dumbest rule in any sport played on any inch of the earth
- jimbro83

what was the legitimate goal that was taken away in this game?

Agreed - the offside rule is akin to the toe in the crease rule of the late 90's. I remember the Devs losing to the Rags in a series as the Devs had 4-5 goals disallowed because of a toe in the crease. See also Buffalo Sabres. Good goals being disallowed for no real reason. Should be left to the ref's discretion, same as last nights fake offside

Tampa fans be like...

Why then was the review initiated? Let's review every penalty too. Linesmen did s great job for 100 years but they changed it.
- tpd11

They changed it because refs and linesmen didnt do a great job for 100 years... there are plenty of missed calls, with evidence on replays. I really don't understand what is wrong with getting a call right? If it went against the Pens I'd say the same thing, it's the right call.

Why then was the review initiated? Let's review every penalty too. Linesmen did s great job for 100 years but they changed it.
- tpd11

It was reviewed because it fell in the 1% where the linesman got it wrong so they fixed it. Why talk about changing a simple rule to be more complicated? If you remove the skate on the ice part of the rule, then youre basically going NFL and "breaking the plane" which is even worse for lengthy video review

Am I the only one here that believes it's incredibly stupid that this play was off-sides because his back foot that was clearly about 3-5 Feet in the neutral zone was above the ice. I understand if his foot is up hovering the blue line.. but it was in the neutral zone.

Come on NHL >.>


Edit: I also skipped about 6 pages because.. TLDR.. So if this was touched sorry

I'm not a huge fan of the rule, same with delay of game for shooting over the glass. But I hate the idea of making it judgement call for the refs much more.

What is the fix? A player's skate that is off the ice but hasn't crossed the blue line is onside? Then you have refs making judgment calls if part of a player's skate that is off the ice is still above the blue line. It's the same with shooting the puck over the glass. Do you really want refs determining intent of the player shooting the puck? Can you imagine the fans of opposing teams calling the league fixed when a call goes against their team?

The best way to handle this is the way it is now. It's black and white. Your skate is off the ice and your other is in the zone, offsides. You shoot the puck over the glass from your own zone without it being deflected, delay of game. End of story.
- mw630

Exactly, and then why does it have to be the skate at that point? If we are allowing floating skates to be considered onside, then why not make a glove or any other part of the player? It just complicates a very black and white rule with unnecessary gray areas that become harder to judge even in video review because of angles to the line on the ice

They changed it because refs and linesmen didnt do a great job for 100 years... there are plenty of missed calls, with evidence on replays. I really don't understand what is wrong with getting a call right? If it went against the Pens I'd say the same thing, it's the right call.
- j.boyd919

I'm fine with the call too but why not let the coaches challenge high sticks, hand passes, high stick penalties? The refs miss those as well but we're fine with them missing those? Why not get those calls right also?

Am I the only one here that believes it's incredibly stupid that this play was off-sides because his back foot that was clearly about 3-5 Feet in the neutral zone was above the ice. I understand if his foot is up hovering the blue line.. but it was in the neutral zone.

Come on NHL >.>


Edit: I also skipped about 6 pages because.. TLDR.. So if this was touched sorry
- MacT27

Is the NHL stupid, or is Drouin stupid for jumping/lifting the wrong leg unnecessarily, especially when the rule has been that way for decades?

Is the NHL stupid, or is Drouin stupid for jumping/lifting the wrong leg unnecessarily, especially when the rule has been that way for decades?
- WhiteLie

Both, but the rule should be changed to apply to a foot in the air hovering the blue line. His foot being 2 feet into the neutral zone should never be offsides... even if it's raised or not.

what was the legitimate goal that was taken away in this game?
- Rinosaur

It's all sour grapes. Nothing more. If you need a replay to enforce off-sides then you need a replay. Big Whoop. If they would have called it inconclusive I would have been fine with that too, but they didn't and the REAL problem only some people are having with it is, it affected their team and they eventually lost, so they hunt for excuses.

I'm sure if Tampa was in the same situation and a Pens goal was reversed because their team was smart enough to use replay to enforce the off-sides call, then none of them would be complaining about the rule. Rules are the rules...no bad or good ones, just ones that sometimes don't go in your favor. BTW: replay is not a rule, it's a device, a mechanism for enforcing rules.

The rule is off-sides. The Lightning broke it, so they don't get the goal. It's like getting caught going 56 in a 55, Technically you broke the rule even if just by a little bit and a cop can still write you a ticket if he wants, but 99% of the time won't (contrary to popular belief, you don't have to be going at least 5mph over) Does that mean we should get rid of speeding...that stupid rule? I'm thinking it's the radar that people don't like, yeah get rid of that! Still doesn't mean you weren't speeding.

I could see if they reviewed it and despite replay evidence to the contrary, the wrong call was made, but that didn't happen here. It was off-side, the refs missed it but the replay showed it.

There are few enforceable elements in the game that are tied to small measurements or even fractions of an inch as it is. Goals, the allowable curve of a stick and off-sides, so yeah I guess we should just take away the lines, the goal crease and leave it all up to flawless and perfect judgement of an NHL official so fans can feel comfortable knowing everything is done right.

Yeah, that was a joke.

I'm fine with the call too but why not let the coaches challenge high sticks, hand passes, high stick penalties? The refs miss those as well but we're fine with them missing those? Why not get those calls right also?
- Kucherovski

I get your point on those and I think there should be some that can be challenged. I think some penalties would be tough to overturn, ones us fans would call "weak" and are done at discretion of the officials (not black/white), but if they can find a way to get all calls right, I would support that

I get your point on those and I think there should be some that can be challenged. I think some penalties would be tough to overturn, ones us fans would call "weak" and are done at discretion of the officials (not black/white), but if they can find a way to get all calls right, I would support that
- WhiteLie

Even for the sake of slowing the game down? Taking momentum away type of thing? I don't think replays belong, I think more accountability on linesman and refs is the way to go. NHL has people who review the accuracy of the linesman and refs, based on feedback from each organization after games, and if they miss enough calls they get fined or they don't get to ref in the postseason. They are human so they are not expected to get 100% of the calls but since the game is fast and that's the beauty of it you can't review all calls so I don't like the picking and choosing what ones to review. Just an opinion.

Both, but the rule should be changed to apply to a foot in the air hovering the blue line. His foot being 2 feet into the neutral zone should never be offsides... even if it's raised or not.
- MacT27

But if it can hover, why is it the foot? What difference would it make if he kept his arm/glove outside the zone as opposed to his foot? Especially on a delayed offside, why cant a trapped player dive headfirst to get back onside in the modification?

I also believe the use skate on the ice for two reasons: One is safety, they want the steel on the ice as often as possible (Which is why they don't like kicking goals) and two, the line is on the ice and if the skate is too, there is no gray area or angles that matter since the two should be in contact. A lot easier to make the call in real time

Is the NHL stupid, or is Drouin stupid for jumping/lifting the wrong leg unnecessarily, especially when the rule has been that way for decades?
- WhiteLie

^^Exactly.

But if it can hover, why is it the foot? What difference would it make if he kept his arm/glove outside the zone as opposed to his foot? Especially on a delayed offside, why cant a trapped player dive headfirst to get back onside in the modification?

I also believe the use skate on the ice for two reasons: One is safety, they want the steel on the ice as often as possible (Which is why they don't like kicking goals) and two, the line is on the ice and if the skate is too, there is no gray area or angles that matter since the two should be in contact. A lot easier to make the call in real time
- WhiteLie

Right but he was no where near the line with that skate.. also if the player dives head first out of the zone... Most of his body is in the zone still and doesn't work in this scenario.

Both, but the rule should be changed to apply to a foot in the air hovering the blue line. His foot being 2 feet into the neutral zone should never be offsides... even if it's raised or not.
- MacT27

So you want to bring the FAA into this and measure ownership of air space ? Maybe we can use drones?

If a puck crosses the goal crease about 2' above the ice but clearly 1' over the line (say into a goalies glove), is it a goal? I betcha replay says it is.

Even for the sake of slowing the game down? Taking momentum away type of thing? I don't think replays belong, I think more accountability on linesman and refs is the way to go. NHL has people who review the accuracy of the linesman and refs, based on feedback from each organization after games, and if they miss enough calls they get fined or they don't get to ref in the postseason. They are human so they are not expected to get 100% of the calls but since the game is fast and that's the beauty of it you can't review all calls so I don't like the picking and choosing what ones to review. Just an opinion.
- Kucherovski

If it remains at one challenge per team, my opinion is that a few bad penalties would not be challenged. Offsides are only done when a goal is resulted, which are important to get right. If Tampa was allowed that goal last night, thats huge momentum from an error.

I do agree accountability on the officials is important and should be scrutinized more. I cut them slack where I can, but poor calls (like that Duchene offside goal from a few years ago) are why we are where we are and should be punished in some form, like you say

Even for the sake of slowing the game down? Taking momentum away type of thing? I don't think replays belong, I think more accountability on linesman and refs is the way to go. NHL has people who review the accuracy of the linesman and refs, based on feedback from each organization after games, and if they miss enough calls they get fined or they don't get to ref in the postseason. They are human so they are not expected to get 100% of the calls but since the game is fast and that's the beauty of it you can't review all calls so I don't like the picking and choosing what ones to review. Just an opinion.
- Kucherovski

Slow the game down and get the right call... orrrrr get the wrong call and "keep the game going fast"

hmm... well.. this is a difficult one...

Right but he was no where near the line with that skate.. also if the player dives head first out of the zone... Most of his body is in the zone still and doesn't work in this scenario.
- MacT27

How doesnt it work? The rule as it is, can have less than 1/2 inch of steel touching blue paint and the rest of the body in the zone and still considered onside (regardless of how close Drouin was yesterday). If a player dives and has a whole hand hovering over the blue, why wouldnt that still be onside in the world of hovering offsides?

EDIT: This is my point here, the picture is barely offside because the steel is off the blue but in the floating offside world, his ass is probably still on the blue so hes good? Seems way more complicated than the current rule IMO

How doesnt it work? The rule as it is, can have less than 1/2 inch of steel touching blue paint and the rest of the body in the zone and still considered onside (regardless of how close Drouin was yesterday). If a player dives and has a whole hand hovering over the blue, why wouldnt that still be onside in the world of hovering offsides?
- WhiteLie

You're putting the judgement on the refs which is a terrible idea. The rule is as long as your skates are on the ice, and at least touching part of the blue line, you're onside. Doesn't matter, and shouldn't matter, where the rest of your body is in relation to the blue line.