shoreorrpark

Whatt handle do you use on Spectors? I'm Striker or some variation of such everywhere.

Sorry. No (frank)ing way. Was anybody awake while watching the BRUINS Defense last year. You put #47, #54 or #86 In a top 4 role next year this team once again misses the playoffs in a Titanic fashion similar to the last 2 years
Holy poop what is everyone drunk already
- BruinBlood

He is apparently "elite" so resigning him was imperative and a very good value.......

Stricker,

It's not that we don't like the K. Miller signing "individually," it's the collective signings as a whole.

I was positive that Quaider wasn't coming back last off season and that Miller would be his replacement.

Instead they signed Quaider. So logic would mean that Miller wouldn't be coming back then, but now they signed him too!

That's the issue, they are injury prone bottom pair guys and we need roster spots for younger guys and prospects that could possibly become real top four defenseman.

Also, Seguin and Boychuck were supposedly cap casilties, the Kelly, Paile, Campbell, Thornton contracts add up to a point that you have to traded away top end talent.

The Miller and Quaider deals remind me of the Kelly and Peverly deals for instance, and those two guys were better.

Not elite by abilities obviously but having had the luxury of playing 159 games he is moving into elite company for games played depending upon how you choose to define elite. More than 1/2 of all players to every play in the NHL play less than 100 games in their entire career. The median average is 91 NHL games. If you don't know what median is look it up.

This contract for K. Miller will put him in the top 25% of players for NHL games played unless his career is cut short by injury.

For every player that plays 1000 NHL games 4% or 1 in 25, there is 5% who's 1st NHL game is also their last.

We just agree to disagree. I like the signing & at 2.5 per it's incredible value. Playing C. Miller & Morrow in full time roles for which they aren't ready isn't making the Bruins better in the short term. They need to be playing sheltered minutes & not every night.

I watch every Bruins game. If I can't do so live I do so after the fact. I like Miller & McQuad but I accept them for what they are. Chara & Seidenberg to.

We have a ton of teams in the NHL dressing players at D as regulars that shouldn't even be playing in the NHL & you want to complain about K. Miller who signed for chump change & is & has been a solid 4/5 guy for Boston. Again he finished 17th for hits & 38th for blocked shots in the entire league & had he not missed 11 games he would have finished in the top 10 & 35 respectively, plus 15; best for all Bruins D 2nd on the team, scored 5 goals & was a solid penalty killer.

I agree & I would like to see an upgrade at D as well & it's coming this summer pushing McQuad, Seidenberg; let's hope he's moved, & K. Miller all down a spot. The D needs an upgrade but let's not solely blame the D for what ails Boston. Dressing 1/2 a roster of players with limited experience & asking C. Miller to play 42 games, Trotman 38 & Morrow 33 at their ages & stages of development with the other young players at forward is a significant factor as to why Boston finished 20th in goals against. 13 goals from the median average. Nor did Rask really play like the Rask of past seasons. He let in a ton of goals that in previous years he made look routine.

I don't just blame the D. I accept the Bruins are rebuilding & with young players comes break downs in defense. The Bruins have positioned themselves very well moving forward salary wise & for expansion. Boston is a borderline playoff team as currently constructed. Surely none of you had them making the playoffs in the last 2 years as constructed with the injuries suffered? The fact they even got so close actually surprised me.

We just agree to disagree. I like the signing & at 2.5 per it's incredible value. Playing C. Miller & Morrow in full time roles for which they aren't ready isn't making the Bruins better in the short term. They need to be playing sheltered minutes & not every night.

I watch every Bruins game. If I can't do so live I do so after the fact. I like Miller & McQuad but I accept them for what they are. Chara & Seidenberg to.

We have a ton of teams in the NHL dressing players at D as regulars that shouldn't even be playing in the NHL & you want to complain about K. Miller who signed for chump change & is & has been a solid 4/5 guy for Boston. Again he finished 17th for hits & 38th for blocked shots in the entire league & had he not missed 11 games he would have finished in the top 10 & 35 respectively, plus 15; best for all Bruins D 2nd on the team, scored 5 goals & was a solid penalty killer.

I agree & I would like to see an upgrade at D as well & it's coming this summer pushing McQuad, Seidenberg; let's hope he's moved, & K. Miller all down a spot. The D needs an upgrade but let's not solely blame the D for what ails Boston. Dressing 1/2 a roster of players with limited experience & asking C. Miller to play 42 games, Trotman 38 & Morrow 33 at their ages & stages of development with the other young players at forward is a significant factor as to why Boston finished 20th in goals against. 13 goals from the median average. Nor did Rask really play like the Rask of past seasons. He let in a ton of goals that in previous years he made look routine.

I don't just blame the D. I accept the Bruins are rebuilding & with young players comes break downs in defense. The Bruins have positioned themselves very well moving forward salary wise & for expansion. Boston is a borderline playoff team as currently constructed. Surely none of you had them making the playoffs in the last 2 years as constructed with the injuries suffered? The fact they even got so close actually surprised me.
- striker777

How do the younger guys get NHL experience if they don't play any games? That's my greatest concern as last year proved that we should have been developing the kids instead of always playing the old vets that were near or past there ceilings.

And before the season started I thought they were a 6-11 seed in the eastern conference, 6th because of the three teams that make it from there division and maybe they finish 3rd in the Divison.

I also had them at 15th in the whole league in both GA & GF. They did better scoring, mostly because of the pp in the first 3/4 of the season. And they did worse than I thought they would defensively.

Miller could work out as a good contract in the long run, but the Bs have no top pair defenseman right now. Wish they would concentrate on that first instead of filling in the bottom of the roster.

FYI, the bs missed the playoffs the last two season, that's a fact. Going into next season with anything close to this same defense will result in an even worse season.

Chara - K. Miller
? - McQuaid
Krug - Morrow/C. Miller/Trotman

The ? Would be the Seidenberg replacement if they trade him and upgrade. That looks very similar to this past season and Yandle or Shattenkirk replacing Seids isn't going to be as big a difference as people would think overall in GA. IMO.

How can you have an issue with Krug? He played as Boston's #2 defensemen in only his 3rd season in the NHL & finished 19th for points by Dman in the entire league. His 244 shots that actually hit the net ranked him 4th in the entire league for Dman, he was 4 behind Karlsson who finished 2nd & he was a significant reason Boston had 1 of the best power plays in the league. His transition skills are top notch & he's not a liability defensively. He angles his man out has an active stick & is just scratching the surface of his potential.

K. Miller barely made the top 4 by TOI/GP. McQuad was 7th for TOI/GP & if you eliminate the players that bit into he & K. Millers icetime when they played in Boston last season, Liles; 17 games, Trotman; 38 games, he was really Boston's #5. I don't see how anyone can have an issue with the players of any 3 of these players, Krug, K. Miller & Trotman.

Again Krug 19th for points, 4th by shots for all Dman. K. Miller 17th for hits, 48th for blocked shots & he missed 11 games, McQuad's 142 hits ranked him 33rd & his 121 blocked shots 55th by D in the entire NHL & he missed 18 games. Miller & Mcquad are not fun to play against. There style of hockey is going to lead to injures as the are willing the sacrifice their bodies to drop in front of pucks, hit players & allow themselves to be hit protecting the puck when they go into the corners.

I would suggest all you Miller & McQuad haters go look at NHL.com. Go to stats link to players. 1st go review points by each teams D, then time on ice in total, power play & short handed, then link to more, & real time & look at things like blocked shots hits, give aways, take aways etc. You would be shocked at how effective these 2 players are at what they do compared to their peers. These are 2 solid defensive Dman that do all the little things & are better than almost any teams 4/5 options on D.

Sorry should read any of these 3 Krug, K. Miller & McQuad not Trotman.

How can you have an issue with Krug? He played as Boston's #2 defensemen in only his 3rd season in the NHL & finished 19th for points by Dman in the entire league. His 244 shots that actually hit the net ranked him 4th in the entire league for Dman, he was 4 behind Karlsson who finished 2nd & he was a significant reason Boston had 1 of the best power plays in the league. His transition skills are top notch & he's not a liability defensively. He angles his man out has an active stick & is just scratching the surface of his potential.

K. Miller barely made the top 4 by TOI/GP. McQuad was 7th for TOI/GP & if you eliminate the players that bit into he & K. Millers icetime when they played in Boston last season, Liles; 17 games, Trotman; 38 games, he was really Boston's #5. I don't see how anyone can have an issue with the players of any 3 of these players, Krug, K. Miller & Trotman.

Again Krug 19th for points, 4th by shots for all Dman. K. Miller 17th for hits, 48th for blocked shots & he missed 11 games, McQuad's 142 hits ranked him 33rd & his 121 blocked shots 55th by D in the entire NHL & he missed 18 games. Miller & Mcquad are not fun to play against. There style of hockey is going to lead to injures as the are willing the sacrifice their bodies to drop in front of pucks, hit players & allow themselves to be hit protecting the puck when they go into the corners.

I would suggest all you Miller & McQuad haters go look at NHL.com. Go to stats link to players. 1st go review points by each teams D, then time on ice in total, power play & short handed, then link to more, & real time & look at things like blocked shots hits, give aways, take aways etc. You would be shocked at how effective these 2 players are at what they do compared to their peers. These are 2 solid defensive Dman that do all the little things & are better than almost any teams 4/5 options on D.
- striker777

Simpler question to get at the heart of the whole debate then.

Chara - K. Miller
Seidenberg - Carlo/Morrow/Trotman/C. Miller/Grzelcyk/O'Gara/Lauzon
Krug - McQuaid

(krug and Chara are middle pair defenseman on a good team. AND after they sign Krug for $5 per season they have FIVE defenseman locked up for the next 2 seasons and beyond.)

Who do you replace? We sucked on defense last season with stats and the eye test. We need to change something.

So where do you input the upgrade because you can only play 6 D-men (usually)?

Here are Don's own words and if he believes them how do you keep a logjam on D.

"You want the depth of the organization to be there for the younger players to push somebody out because they’re ready to play . . . (young players such as) [Matt] Grzelcyk and [Rob] O’Gara. And [I] just came back from seeing [Jeremy] Lauzon play. You know [we're] very excited about the trajectory of that player and the possibility (of his making the NHL roster) down the road, depending on what his development curve looks like and when he gets in here and [starts] playing against the men."

And I mean this, I'm not being a troll, I just don't understand the clubs logic and how they envision the team's defense next season.

What do you think they do? Just dump and replace Seidenberg and keep the rest the same?

Here are your top 6.

Yandle or other UFA D or trade/Chara.
Krug, Miller.
Seidenberg/ McQuad.

Spares. C. Miller & Morrow.

The only way Trotman will be retained is if Boston doesn't sign a UFA or trade for a #2 type Dman.

Neither C. Miller or Morrow are ready for full times roles. They will play when injures hit; no way Miller & McQuad will ever play any where near 82 games with their styles of play & to allow the aging Dman, Chara & Seidenberg; let's pray he's traded, need a night off. Both C. Miller & Morrow will see about 25% increases in their games played over last season unless injures hit hard. The others you mention will be called up & play if absolutely required.

Again not everything that ails Boston can be placed at the feet of the D. They are in a major rebuild & playing a ton of youth. They are not a legitimate playoff team as constructed. They need everything to play out perfectly to be a serous playoff team & with the age of many of the core pieces that's asking for more than they can deliver. Krejci & Krug have both just had major surgery. Krejci playe don 1 leg again this season. Seidenberg missing all of training camp & a 3rd of the season never really got back to the player he was. All these are to be accepted. It's unfortunate but is what it is.

Here's a simple question.

Which of these 2 Dman would you prefer, Coburn from TB or K. Miller from Boston?

Here are your top 6.

Yandle or other UFA D or trade/Chara.
Krug, Miller.
Seidenberg/ McQuad.

Spares. C. Miller & Morrow.

The only way Trotman will be retained is if Boston doesn't sign a UFA or trade for a #2 type Dman.

Neither C. Miller or Morrow are ready for full times roles. They will play when injures hit; no way Miller & McQuad will ever play any where near 82 games with their styles of play & to allow the aging Dman, Chara & Seidenberg; let's pray he's traded, need a night off. Both C. Miller & Morrow will see about 25% increases in their games played over last season unless injures hit hard. The others you mention will be called up & play if absolutely required.

Again not everything that ails Boston can be placed at the feet of the D. They are in a major rebuild & playing a ton of youth. They are not a legitimate playoff team as constructed. They need everything to play out perfectly to be a serous playoff team & with the age of many of the core pieces that's asking for more than they can deliver. Krejci & Krug have both just had major surgery. Krejci playe don 1 leg again this season. Seidenberg missing all of training camp & a 3rd of the season never really got back to the player he was. All these are to be accepted. It's unfortunate but is what it is.
- striker777

If they play Morrow and C. Miller for 32+ games that would be riding the fence in my opinion.

I actually agree with most of what you have posted. But its the toe half in rebuild that is ridiculous right now to me.

In your own words, "they are in a major rebuild." And, "they are not a legitimate playoff team."

So why not play the kids for the last two seasons (hindsight for many, but my gripe) AND play the kids this year and next and maybe you are ready for a real playoff run after TWO seasons.

If the kids need to develop and the Bs have no chance for a run then we should play oll the kids and let them develope AND then we can possibly get a top 10 overall draft pick.

Imagine if we have accepted the fact we are in a "rebuild" the last two sessons and "acted accordingly" we could have sold some vets and we would likely have drafted in the top 10 a couple times.

Two years drafting at the 14 overall spot is the PINNACLE of riding the fence of rebuild and trying to hold and claw into past glory.

Thanks for trying to bring logic to the board striker but everyone here has already decided Sweeney is a retard and every move he makes is terrible no matter how insignificant the move may be.

We need an elite defenseman so apparently that means we have to ignore every other facet of roster building until we land the impossible to land player. Signing a guy capable of playing 20 strong min a night for dirt cheap? Blasphemy!! WE NEED YOUTH AND SKILLZ DONT YOU KNOW. Quality affordable depth be damned

If they play Morrow and C. Miller for 32+ games that would be riding the fence in my opinion.

I actually agree with most of what you have posted. But its the toe half in rebuild that is ridiculous right now to me.

In your own words, "they are in a major rebuild." And, "they are not a legitimate playoff team."

So why not play the kids for the last two seasons (hindsight for many, but my gripe) AND play the kids this year and next and maybe you are ready for a real playoff run after TWO seasons.

If the kids need to develop and the Bs have no chance for a run then we should play oll the kids and let them develope AND then we can possibly get a top 10 overall draft pick.

Imagine if we have accepted the fact we are in a "rebuild" the last two sessons and "acted accordingly" we could have sold some vets and we would likely have drafted in the top 10 a couple times.

Two years drafting at the 14 overall spot is the PINNACLE of riding the fence of rebuild and trying to hold and claw into past glory.
- JIwasinskiJr

Dude, you can't develop players too early either.

Throwing them in other their heads will simply make them lose confidence and make them look unprepared and lose value. They'll be stunted and stuck in the dog house.

However I believe C Miller is close to ready.

Here's a simple question.

Which of these 2 Dman would you prefer, Coburn from TB or K. Miller from Boston?
- striker777

Neither is the short answer

Thanks for trying to bring logic to the board striker but everyone here has already decided Sweeney is a retard and every move he makes is terrible no matter how insignificant the move may be.

We need an elite defenseman so apparently that means we have to ignore every other facet of roster building until we land the impossible to land player. Signing a guy capable of playing 20 strong min a night for dirt cheap? Blasphemy!! WE NEED YOUTH AND SKILLZ DONT YOU KNOW. Quality affordable depth be damned
- Shaundre93

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shoreorrpark

I only really post here when I'm shocked by the Ty's comments or opinions. I frequent hockebuzz, Dobber, Spectors & numerous other sites as I'm a fantasy hockey pool freak. I enjoy reading Ty & a few other bloggers here but I find that the message boards here get way to off track on the subject matter. I can only assume we have a bunch of younger kids that like to troll & other.

I primarily post on Spectors rumor message board as the debate, conversation & opinions seem very insightful & the regular contributors have fairly solid deductive reasoning skills.

I don't know how anyone can be unhappy with this signing. You can't get a true top 6 Dman with a pulse under 3 million & Sweeney just locked up a Dman that made the top 20 in hits, top 48 in blocked shots for Dman & if he hadn't missed 11 games would have made the top 10 & 35 respectively. He plays on the #1 penalty kill & is a solid developing Dman with 159 games of NHL experience. He may be 29 but that matters not. It takes in or around 6 years or 400 games for NHL Dman to reach theri full development.

This wasn't a priority for Sweeney it just happened. Miller was a UFA & if he had gone to market would have gotten more. IT probably went something like this. Sweeney to Miller's agent. We'll give Kevin 2.5 for 4 years. Miller's agent we'll take it. Miller should consider getting a new agent as if Coburn got 3.7 in TB his agent just did him no favors but Miller has no track record having only played parts of 3 seasons.
- striker777

How CAN YOU be happy with this signing? Committing another 4 years to a 29 year old players whose ceiling is as a #6 defensemen on an average team. WHY THE (frank) IS THIS A PRIORITY SIGNING? I'd happily give Loui what he's asking for if it meant letting Kevan walk. And we don't give Dougie what he wants but we commit his exact same cap hit to quaider and kevan. This stuff just infuriates me.

How are we supposed to implement any youth into the backend with deals like this? When will the likes of Carlo, Lauzon, Zboril, Gryzlecyk, O'gara and even older prospects like Cross and Casto ever get their shot on this team? Not to mention Trotman, C.miller and JoMo being forced into the press box. It just makes absolutely no sense from a team building perspective.

Thanks for trying to bring logic to the board striker but everyone here has already decided Sweeney is a retard and every move he makes is terrible no matter how insignificant the move may be.

We need an elite defenseman so apparently that means we have to ignore every other facet of roster building until we land the impossible to land player. Signing a guy capable of playing 20 strong min a night for dirt cheap? Blasphemy!! WE NEED YOUTH AND SKILLZ DONT YOU KNOW. Quality affordable depth be damned
- Shaundre93

If you watched this season at all, or know anything that's going on with this team, you would be able to tell that Kevan Miller cannot fill this role, and never will.

1. He was below 20 mins a night
2. He was dreadful in his extended role this season

How CAN YOU be happy with this signing? Committing another 4 years to a 29 year old players whose ceiling is as a #6 defensemen on an average team. WHY THE (frank) IS THIS A PRIORITY SIGNING? I'd happily give Loui what he's asking for if it meant letting Kevan walk. And we don't give Dougie what he wants but we commit his exact same cap hit to quaider and kevan. This stuff just infuriates me.

How are we supposed to implement any youth into the backend with deals like this? When will the likes of Carlo, Lauzon, Zboril, Gryzlecyk, O'gara and even older prospects like Cross and Casto ever get their shot on this team? Not to mention Trotman, C.miller and JoMo being forced into the press box. It just makes absolutely no sense from a team building perspective.
- TylerSeguin19

Dude, you lose credibility when you say something like this. Boston offered him a better contract (or maybe it was the same) than Calgary did. He did not want to be in Boston and had to be traded in order to avoid the offer sheet possibility.

I don't sit here and call people's opinions incorrect. But if you want to back up your opinion, at least use relevant and accurate information. JR constantly complains and is adversive, but at least uses accurate info.

in a salary cap league you have to watch how you spend your pennies as well as your dollars. Where was the competing offer from? I think they could have signed him for 1.5 to 2 p/y, try playing a little hardball for craps sake, free agency isnt even open yet.

To be taken with a large grain of salt, but here is a different look at the signing.


http://www.csnne.com/bost...nnection-with-Jimmy-Vesey

I just have to flat out disagree with the novels being written here about how Kevan Miller is a great player, and how this is a steal of a contract. Here is a great article that points out why this is a dumb signing...
http://www.fiveforhowling...id-kevan-miller-contracts

It's a dangerous trap to fall in love with your own players, and it's the mistake that Chiarelli made, and this wreaks of the same crap that put us into the cap situation that pretty much broke up the cup contending team.

Bottom line... we just committed 4 years and $10mil to a bottom pairing defenseman... that could have easily been replaced. WTF?!?! We can't have a team full of bottom pairing defenseman, regardless of how "cheap" they are.

They need to sign a defenseman that will actually help them. Krug is 1000x better than Miller, and he's still sitting out there unsigned. How this signing was more of a priority than signing Krug, or looking for someone on the market is just beyond me.

Kevan Miller is 29... he's not a developing player... He's an injury prone, bottom pairing guy, that we just locked up for 4 years... woo, what a move! If this is such a great, valuable signing, then surely we should be able to trade away this great contract for assets that can actually improve the team.

To be taken with a large grain of salt, but here is a different look at the signing.


http://www.csnne.com/bost...nnection-with-Jimmy-Vesey
- dothedougie

Saw that... I think that's a bit of a stretch, but maybe after they sign Vesey they could trade Miller!

Saw that... I think that's a bit of a stretch, but maybe after they sign Vesey they could trade Miller!
- mixturebill

Anything from haggerty is always a stretch. But seeing as though Sweeney was buddying up to Vesey at their Harvard function, I could see him giving miller some cash as an incentive move towards his agent (since vesey and miller share an agent). But who knows really.

Ultimately Vesey will go wherever he really feels is the best for him and his career. He can pick his destination.