Maybe size causes Keller to slide but I think that would be a mistake and I think he is pretty underrated.

Here is a good breakdown of his production comparison to other top USDP players. He produced at a better rate than Eichel at only a few months older.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...ews_us_national_u18_team/
- RonPielep

It's no secret his production is very high, but he starts getting pushed by Brown's size and speed as well as Jost's U18 performance. Top 10-15 guys are all there for a reason.

Todd Cordell: New Jersey Devils: On Palmieri, Shipachov & Quenneville
- Todd.Cordell

The only Russian I want is kovy

Is Palmieri really worth 6 years at $5.5M?

Looking at his production prior to last season makes his current situation look eerily similar to one David Clarkson...

But I didn't watch Palmieri play much so that could just be coincidence.
- RonPielep

Clarkson was a product of his linemates

Palmeri has skill but only one 30 goal season. I'd be pissed at first if he signs at 5.5 per but if he continues it'll look good.

Clarkson was a product of his linemates

Palmeri has skill but only one 30 goal season. I'd be pissed at first if he signs at 5.5 per but if he continues it'll look good.
- shvingter88

If he signs for more than a year or two, 5-6 million will be the dollars.

Is Palmieri really worth 6 years at $5.5M?

Looking at his production prior to last season makes his current situation look eerily similar to one David Clarkson...

But I didn't watch Palmieri play much so that could just be coincidence.
- RonPielep

He probably is to us. We are so thin on offense.

Very different player then Clarkie and most Devil fans knew Toronto was nuts the day they gave him that contract.

I believe that Palmieri will sign a similar contract to those signed by Henrique and Larsson; a 4 to 6 year contact with a 4 to 4.5M per year cap hit.

5.5 is a little bit high. I'm thinking somewhere between 4 and 5, for 5 years.

I believe that Palmieri will sign a similar contract to those signed by Henrique and Larsson; a 4 to 6 year contact with a 4 to 4.5M per year cap hit.


- LenapeDevil

That would be a dream. Those contacts are fantastic.

Off topic, but what are peoples thoughts on trying to go after the 2nd overall pick? Laine would be huge for us, giving us 2 top 6 right wingers. I would start with offering Cammy and the 11th O.A.

Why? Cammalleri's age, he will be late 30's by the time we are ready to seriously compete and I think we should trade him now while he still has value (yes I know about his injuries). Even though Winnipeg didn't make the playoffs, they have a deep pool of prospects and it sounds like hey are in a win now mode. But with that being said is there really any chance any of the top 3 pick get moved at all? Is it pointless to even think about it? probably but I think its worth a shot for Ray to try.

Thoughts?

Off topic, but what are peoples thoughts on trying to go after the 2nd overall pick? Laine would be huge for us, giving us 2 top 6 right wingers. I would start with offering Cammy and the 11th O.A.

Why? Cammalleri's age, he will be late 30's by the time we are ready to seriously compete and I think we should trade him now while he still has value (yes I know about his injuries). Even though Winnipeg didn't make the playoffs, they have a deep pool of prospects and it sounds like hey are in a win now mode. But with that being said is there really any chance any of the top 3 pick get moved at all? Is it pointless to even think about it? probably but I think its worth a shot for Ray to try.

Thoughts?
- bc8819

I think that as much as any of of would love that, it would take a LOT more than a sniper on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't played a full season since like 2007 and the 11th pick to land a kid who's being compared to Ovechkin. Right now, moving into the top 3 is a pipe dream and given our prospect pool, not even a possibility. Shero would have to give up a ton to pry away even the 2nd or 3rd pick and New Jersey just isn't in the position to make that move.

I think that as much as any of of would love that, it would take a LOT more than a sniper on the wrong side of 30 who hasn't played a full season since like 2007 and the 11th pick to land a kid who's being compared to Ovechkin. Right now, moving into the top 3 is a pipe dream and given our prospect pool, not even a possibility. Shero would have to give up a ton to pry away even the 2nd or 3rd pick and New Jersey just isn't in the position to make that move.
- Youwont_noballs

If we had any luck signing free agent college kids and khl defectors we could afford to do something like our first second and third this year + for their first now wether or not that is enough is a different story. The thing is also if these kids are going to be 2-3-4 years away does it really matter if we don't have players in jr's or as many when we can sign players to fill out roles on the ahl squad and what not. I mean if Laine turns into a second line scorer and we forked over the farm thats bad news but if he turns into ovie 2.0 then we would honestly be laughing almost whatever we gave up!

Off topic, but what are peoples thoughts on trying to go after the 2nd overall pick? Laine would be huge for us, giving us 2 top 6 right wingers. I would start with offering Cammy and the 11th O.A.

Why? Cammalleri's age, he will be late 30's by the time we are ready to seriously compete and I think we should trade him now while he still has value (yes I know about his injuries). Even though Winnipeg didn't make the playoffs, they have a deep pool of prospects and it sounds like hey are in a win now mode. But with that being said is there really any chance any of the top 3 pick get moved at all? Is it pointless to even think about it? probably but I think its worth a shot for Ray to try.

Thoughts?
- bc8819

would take much, much more than that and why would they want cammalleri? The only teams I could possibly see wanting Cammy would maybe be contenders at the trade deadline in 2 years if he is still producing

It really doesn't make much sense to try and move up as we don't have (or can afford) to give up the pieces it would take to get in the top 3. And the drop off from talent from 4-6 to 10-12 isn't worth it IMO to give up assets

would take much, much more than that and why would they want cammalleri? The only teams I could possibly see wanting Cammy would maybe be contenders at the trade deadline in 2 years if he is still producing

It really doesn't make much sense to try and move up as we don't have (or can afford) to give up the pieces it would take to get in the top 3. And the drop off from talent from 4-6 to 10-12 isn't worth it IMO to give up assets
- Senor_Elias

Hold the door

would take much, much more than that and why would they want cammalleri? The only teams I could possibly see wanting Cammy would maybe be contenders at the trade deadline in 2 years if he is still producing

It really doesn't make much sense to try and move up as we don't have (or can afford) to give up the pieces it would take to get in the top 3. And the drop off from talent from 4-6 to 10-12 isn't worth it IMO to give up assets
- Senor_Elias

That's why I said a start... I have no idea what they need, therefore don't know what else to add. And I started with Cammy because he is a player who could help a 'win now' team, more than a team looking to win in 3-4 years when his contract is up, he is already what, 34?... he can produce when healthy right now. He is also worth a lot more now than at the end of his contract. I would be willing to add multiple pick and or a couple of the 'maybe' prospects we do have (I know we don't have much, but we have a few guys that can be bottom 6 guys, do they need them? a couple of out better d prospects, again do they need them? Merrill is a decent 5-6 d man and still very young, does he help? idk). But for a guy like Laine who is as close to a sure thing as you can get, I think its worth it, giving up Cammy, the 11th O.A., +++ (picks and or prospects).... knowing we don't have the deepest prospect pool around. But like I said earlier, I realize the top 3 picks this year are next to impossible to acquire, just my 2 cents

If we had any luck signing free agent college kids and khl defectors we could afford to do something like our first second and third this year + for their first now wether or not that is enough is a different story. The thing is also if these kids are going to be 2-3-4 years away does it really matter if we don't have players in jr's or as many when we can sign players to fill out roles on the ahl squad and what not. I mean if Laine turns into a second line scorer and we forked over the farm thats bad news but if he turns into ovie 2.0 then we would honestly be laughing almost whatever we gave up!
- blizzzard

Question isn't how high The Devils rank Laine, it's how high the Jets rank him. They're in the driver seat. If they think he has any chance at being Ovi 2.0, trading down 9 spots and adding an additional 2nd and a 3rd won't do it. Shero would have to sell the farm to acquire pick number 2 in this draft and at this point in New Jerseys rebuild, it just doesn't make sense. Yes the Devils would be getting a close to sure thing top line sniper but they would be losing multiple picks along with multiple prospects that will set this franchise back a bit. Honestly, I'd be more interested in seeing Shero aquire another 1st round pick in the later stage of the round, that's what he should be looking at doing. Quantity, not quality is the way to start a rebuild. When the team stocks up on high quality prospects and can afford to lose them is when Shero makes a move like this.

Question isn't how high The Devils rank Laine, it's how high the Jets rank him. They're in the driver seat. If they think he has any chance at being Ovi 2.0, trading down 9 spots and adding an additional 2nd and a 3rd won't do it. Shero would have to sell the farm to acquire pick number 2 in this draft and at this point in New Jerseys rebuild, it just doesn't make sense. Yes the Devils would be getting a close to sure thing top line sniper but they would be losing multiple picks along with multiple prospects that will set this franchise back a bit. Honestly, I'd be more interested in seeing Shero aquire another 1st round pick in the later stage of the round, that's what he should be looking at doing. Quantity, not quality is the way to start a rebuild. When the team stocks up on high quality prospects and can afford to lose them is when Shero makes a move like this.
- Youwont_noballs

We are never going to pick In the top three with Cory here so I don't know if I totally agree. We can pick 8-16 all day and still not ever get a top line star and I get the pipeline is weak but when the NHL roster is filled with players under 30 why does it matter if you have guys in jrs signed or not the goal with always be the NHL club and how it does and not how jr players develop or don't. If you have an 18 year old NHL star I don't think you care about the fifteen potential bottom six prospects you realistically gave up to get. Now is the price going to be expensive absolutely but you are praying on luck picking where we will be the next years and it doesn't really suit a rebuild anyways. Now I agree with the jets might think he is the best player in the entire draft and don't even want to move the pick at all that's very likely.

Hold the door
- blizzzard

Brodor

Question isn't how high The Devils rank Laine, it's how high the Jets rank him. They're in the driver seat. If they think he has any chance at being Ovi 2.0, trading down 9 spots and adding an additional 2nd and a 3rd won't do it. Shero would have to sell the farm to acquire pick number 2 in this draft and at this point in New Jerseys rebuild, it just doesn't make sense. Yes the Devils would be getting a close to sure thing top line sniper but they would be losing multiple picks along with multiple prospects that will set this franchise back a bit. Honestly, I'd be more interested in seeing Shero aquire another 1st round pick in the later stage of the round, that's what he should be looking at doing. Quantity, not quality is the way to start a rebuild. When the team stocks up on high quality prospects and can afford to lose them is when Shero makes a move like this.
- Youwont_noballs

agreed

agreed
- Senor_Elias

I have to agree with Blizzzard, mid to late first round pick you are crossing your fingers they turn out to be a star... look at Matteau, Josefson, Tedenby, Corrente, Bergfors, all of njd's mid to late 1st round picks since 2004 (you can say the scouting staff made mistakes but the fact is all pro scouts had these guys ranked in around the spots they were taken). New jersey needs a game changer and the only way to get one of those is by drafting #1 to #3 overall in a draft like this years. We have enough guys on the right side of 30 to fill out the lineup for years to come, and more than enough bottom 6 guys in their early 20's right now that can do a good job at it (josefson, kalinin, smith-pelly, wood, coleman, blandisi, kerfoot, quenneville, pietila to name a few). The Devils need a go to guy, a game changer.

I have to agree with Blizzzard, mid to late first round pick you are crossing your fingers they turn out to be a star... look at Matteau, Josefson, Tedenby, Corrente, Bergfors, all of njd's mid to late 1st round picks since 2004 (you can say the scouting staff made mistakes but the fact is all pro scouts had these guys ranked in around the spots they were taken). New jersey needs a game changer and the only way to get one of those is by drafting #1 to #3 overall in a draft like this years. We have enough guys on the right side of 30 to fill out the lineup for years to come, and more than enough bottom 6 guys in their early 20's right now that can do a good job at it (josefson, kalinin, smith-pelly, wood, coleman, blandisi, kerfoot, quenneville, pietila to name a few). The Devils need a go to guy, a game changer.
- bc8819

I"m not disagreeing with the fact that New Jersey needs a game changer. That's obvious. Years of success followed by a couple mediocre seasons have lead to a depleted farm team. Shero cannot afford to draft another Tedenby, Matteau or Josefson. However, let's not forget Laine is no guaranteed thing.

I"m not disagreeing with the fact that New Jersey needs a game changer. That's obvious. Years of success followed by a couple mediocre seasons have lead to a depleted farm team. Shero cannot afford to draft another Tedenby, Matteau or Josefson. However, let's not forget Laine is no guaranteed thing.
- Youwont_noballs

That's the great divide do we do something ballsy or no I mean we likely play it safe but I wouldn't be mad if we tried something drastic. What if we never moved a first for Cory ? Or what if we did and he only ended up being as good as a cam talbot or something ? Schneider was the old regimes ballsy move I would like to see one from the new management but I believe it's unlikely.

I have to agree with Blizzzard, mid to late first round pick you are crossing your fingers they turn out to be a star... look at Matteau, Josefson, Tedenby, Corrente, Bergfors, all of njd's mid to late 1st round picks since 2004 (you can say the scouting staff made mistakes but the fact is all pro scouts had these guys ranked in around the spots they were taken). New jersey needs a game changer and the only way to get one of those is by drafting #1 to #3 overall in a draft like this years. We have enough guys on the right side of 30 to fill out the lineup for years to come, and more than enough bottom 6 guys in their early 20's right now that can do a good job at it (josefson, kalinin, smith-pelly, wood, coleman, blandisi, kerfoot, quenneville, pietila to name a few). The Devils need a go to guy, a game changer.
- bc8819

please tell me what we are trading, WPG has top 5 best prospect pipelines

I"m not disagreeing with the fact that New Jersey needs a game changer. That's obvious. Years of success followed by a couple mediocre seasons have lead to a depleted farm team. Shero cannot afford to draft another Tedenby, Matteau or Josefson. However, let's not forget Laine is no guaranteed thing.
- Youwont_noballs

whole new regime and we have a good amount of picks over the next 3 years (24)..its early but I'm liking the selections from 2015

I just don't see what we could offer that WPG would accept for this pick (we're not trading Schneider)

whole new regime and we have a good amount of picks over the next 3 years (24)..its early but I'm liking the selections from 2015

I just don't see what we could offer that WPG would accept for this pick (we're not trading Schneider)
- Senor_Elias

I think after this season depending on how the defence shapes out and howmuch growth we see from Larsson,I wouldn't mind seeing what Greene is worth. There where multiple times last season where Larsson logged 3-4 more minutes then Greene did in games.

please tell me what we are trading, WPG has top 5 best prospect pipelines
- Senor_Elias

I'm not saying they will trade that pick to us. Like I said earlier, I'm just curious if one could be possible around Cammy and our 1st... not saying they would take anything we have to offer. I just think if there is an opportunity there (again I don't think any of the top three picks are available) that New Jersey should jump on it, offer whatever it will take to a certain extent. We need a big time player and as far as what a prospect can offer, Laine is in that small group of 'a sure thing' as you can get.