Al,

I didn't say more important, I said that Crow is the only player at $4mil+ that the Hawks have an immediate NHL-ready replacement for. I don't want to trade 50, but 81, 72, 15, 4 & 7 have no replacements. That is my logic in saying Crow should be traded if they need cap space for Panarin's extension.
- EnzoD

I see, so you are sold on Darling...I get you, then there is no rebuttal on my part although I don't agree.

If (IF) the PA approves the accelerator, the cap will go up $3MM this year, plus, say, another $3MM next year, plus Bickell's $4MM - that's $10MM more cap space in 2017-18.

Which has to cover (let's assume, for the moment, that the defense is covered):

Panarin
Shaw
TT
1LW (or other top-6)
Anisimov increase
Kruger increase
Seabrook increase
At least....

More moves needed, this year or next.
- StLBravesFan

...And seeing the accelerator has always been approved I think there is a good chance of that happening.

This from the other board, A few people that have followed Lundberg (just fans so take it with a grain of salt)

Martin Lundberg is a typical fouth line PK specialist. Clean hitting tough guy. One of few who has ever completed a Gordie Howe hattrick in the SHL.

Since he started playing hockey as a kid he has only ever represented my team. A HUGE fan favorite with how he sacrifices himself and stands up for his teammates. We've lost +15 players to the NHL in the last 5 years, all whom could be deemed to have more raw talent than Lundberg, but no loss will ever hurt as much as this.

Martin Lundberg is a physical monster. And he is trained in Swedens best team for the past 8 years Skellefteå AIK with the four straight regular season championships and six straight finals. And a team that plays with speed and puck possession. I don't believe anyone will be disappointed.

He's a great PKer, he works extremely hard both ways, he has excellent balance, is hard as **** and never complains.

Martin Lundberg will stop a puck with his mouth, spit out his teeth, stop the bleeding then go out on the next shift and stop another puck with his mouth. He's also ridiculously physically fit. (in the cardio way, not pumping iron muscles)




https://blackhawksbreakdo...wordpres...hawk-forwards/
- kmw4631

My guy!!.... I'll have to use a preseason ticket to see this dude live just in case he ends up in the dog house or sits behind Mash.

Great PKer but how is he in the passive PK box?

Thanks for sharing this.

Kane is not getting traded. Unless there's another serious incident, then all bets are off. If he keeps his name out of the papers form June-October, he's not going anywhere.
- John Jaeckel

Do you think the front office wants to wait for another situation? You pointed this out last summer when the incident did happen and how furious the front office was. You mentioned that Kane's future did not look good in a Hawks uniform.

Personally with Panarin on board, I feel better about losing Kane. Besides the return for him should be outstanding. I really don't want us go through another another situation like last year.

Yes Kane is a Generational Talent, but he is also a generational pain in the butt. I would argue that Panarin could eclipse Kane. I can't wait for the season to start to see how a year of NHL ice time has changed Panarin. IF I were the Front Office I would do everything possible to lock him to a long term deal now, because I will bet he puts up even better numbers next season.

I don't understand all the talk about going the Murray route with goaltending. Sure, ideally it would be great to spend less than $1,000,000 on your starter but it doesn't always work out that wee (see Ducks, Anaheim).

Also, lets look at the Cup winning goalies over the past few years:

2011 - Rask
2012 - Quick
2013 - Crawford
2014 - Quick
2015 - Crawford

All big name goalies, all with a relatively higher price tag. If you can make it work then great, but there is significant risk. I'm more inclined to believe that Johansson is an insurance policy against Darling leaving versus a plan to trade Crawford (but I will acknowledge that anything is possible).
- DarthKane

Posted this a blog or two back. I'm all for using a 2 mil guy to win a cup but wanna see it done a couple times first. 2010 was Niemi and average goalie behind a powerhouse team not gutted by the cap.

Plus, wasn't it Thomas who won the cup for the Bruins, but he was near elite at that time.

My guy!!.... I'll have to use a preseason ticket to see this dude live just in case he ends up in the dog house or sits behind Mash.

Great PKer but how is he in the passive PK box?

Thanks for sharing this.
- Mr Ricochet

If Lundberg can play on the PK as well as what was mentioned he won't sit behind Mashinter. Not many PK specialists are also considered tough customers.

Yes....But Kruger is 4 years older which is huge difference.
Point I was making is Kruger was more like TT when I first saw him.
TT could get the strength to work the puck along the wall without growing any larger, but it requires work.
- Al

Kruger's heart weighs 15-20 lbs and you can measure TT's in grams.

Do you think the front office wants to wait for another situation? You pointed this out last summer when the incident did happen and how furious the front office was. You mentioned that Kane's future did not look good in a Hawks uniform.

Personally with Panarin on board, I feel better about losing Kane. Besides the return for him should be outstanding. I really don't want us go through another another situation like last year.

Yes Kane is a Generational Talent, but he is also a generational pain in the butt. I would argue that Panarin could eclipse Kane. I can't wait for the season to start to see how a year of NHL ice time has changed Panarin. IF I were the Front Office I would do everything possible to lock him to a long term deal now, because I will bet he puts up even better numbers next season.


- gifman

They will live with Kane for as long as he isn't charged and convicted of a crime...Which didn't happen last summer.

What isn't stressed enough and understood is Quick and Crawford were younger goalies that grew up with their club...They were rewarded for winning the Cup.
Quick got a 10 yr extension after he won the Conn Smythe.

LA and Chicago didn't go out an spend $6 mill per on a goalie with the hope of building around them to win a Cup.

Quick's cap hit was $1.8 mill before the extension and Crawford was $2.6 mill.

So the argument about big money goalies and winning the Cup is flawed as neither were big money goalies before they won a Cup.
- Al

Gotta be a small money goalie before you can be a big money goalie. Money is money and talent is talent no matter what that talent is paid makes no difference.

Point stands that the last 6 cup winning goalies are elite and/or wewre on their way to becoming elite. I think the Russian kid in TB fits the bill of a future cup winner and IMO the two best in the world are Price and Holtby.

Kruger's heart weighs 15-20 lbs and you can measure TT's in grams.
- Mr Ricochet

Yep...When Toews calls you fearless that's a big compliment.

I could have done a better job of making my point-But the point was they are similar in size but Kruger is 4 years older and stronger on his skates. TT can get stronger if he puts in the time but he has to have the will.

I have a feeling this is strictly a move to ensure the Hawks have a backup to Crawford in case Darling is picked up in the entry level draft next year as a backup goalie with potential to be a number 1 goalie.
- FourOrr

I'm a bit confused as to the signing of the Swede to a one way deal. Gonna be interesting to see this play out and I guess I wonder if StanBowPops&McD have some kind of master plan or this is just a case of getting talent when available.

...And seeing the accelerator has always been approved I think there is a good chance of that happening.
- Al

It still seems to me that at some point, the players under contract are going to rebel at an ever-increasing escrow and give back.

Yep...When Toews calls you fearless that's a big compliment.

I could have done a better job of making my point-But the point was they are similar in size but Kruger is 4 years older and stronger on his skates. TT can get stronger if he puts in the time but he has to have the will.
- Al

I follow you, Al. Fans, and this includes myself, have to remember TT is a 21 yr old undersized kid in a big boys game. Plenty of time to develop but his dog efforts before the move to center will stick with me for years.

Can someone who has played/coached the game please explain why the KHL v. NHL game would be different for a goalie. My (never played) mind says "a shot on goal is a shot on goal" and as such, his save and win percentages look pretty impressive. Is it the aggressiveness around the net that is different?
- pdx2ord

Roar explained nicely plus I have to add the angles are way different on the two different sized surfaces.

My head hurts, but here is my snapshot of the team using the general fanager site.

Hawks have about $5.3MM in cap space with a $74MM cap accounting for all raises, bonuses (2.5 Panarin), Scuderi (1.125), and with Bickell buried in Rockford (for a cap hit of 3.075)

These are the players included in my roster:
Toews, Kane, Hossa, AA, Kruger, Panarin, Desi, TT for $36,414,999
Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, TVR, Kempny, any other signed D guy for $19,000,000
Crawford, Darling for $6,587,500

Cap $74MM - total cap (Bickell, bonuses, other) to date $68,702,499

Space = $5,297,501

Buyout Bickell and add $1,575,000 for $6,872,501 to sign or call up four more forwards with.

Panik $1MM or less?
Fleischmann $1MM or less?

Leaves a little under $5MM to reload Shaw and Ladd's spots before considering trades or callups.

If the following year's cap goes up the 3% or so it has been tracking, that makes the following year's cap around $76.2MM without the accelerator. Should be room for a non-overpay for Panarin.

Do you think the front office wants to wait for another situation? You pointed this out last summer when the incident did happen and how furious the front office was. You mentioned that Kane's future did not look good in a Hawks uniform.

Personally with Panarin on board, I feel better about losing Kane. Besides the return for him should be outstanding. I really don't want us go through another another situation like last year.

Yes Kane is a Generational Talent, but he is also a generational pain in the butt. I would argue that Panarin could eclipse Kane. I can't wait for the season to start to see how a year of NHL ice time has changed Panarin. IF I were the Front Office I would do everything possible to lock him to a long term deal now, because I will bet he puts up even better numbers next season.


- gifman

Panarin has done jack squat come "Big Boy Time" (the playoffs). Patrick Kane is arguably the most clutch offensive player in the league in the postseason. Over 1.0 PPG in the playoffs, coming off the best 2 seasons of his career, and you want to trade him over a "so-called case" and bc his cousin punched a cabbie in 2009? GIFman I love your contributions but the notion of trading Kane for, as I said, anything less than McDavid+ or Eichel+, is pure lunacy. Based on everything I have read, 88 doesnt even leave his condo anymore during the season. He is going to be 28 years old next season and is in his PRIME. The defending Art Ross+Hart Trophy winner should not be traded. You want a real pain in the butt? The enema-like pain of watching the Chicago Blackhawks' try to score goals without 88.

No rule except needed roster space for other positions. Typically a third guy is not going play much if at all, where you need a 13th forward and seventh d-man often
- John Jaeckel

one or two-way contracts only means what they are paid where they play. Has nothing to do with waiver status, roster spots or anything else related to playing time.

It only concerns money. That's it. They signed him to a one-way because he s older and wouldn't sign with anyone for a two-way deal. He could make more by just staying in Sweden if he was making AHL level money.

Roar explained nicely plus I have to add the angles are way different on the two different sized surfaces.
- Mr Ricochet

Thank you, much. Cue my physics teacher shaking his head at me.

Do you think the front office wants to wait for another situation? You pointed this out last summer when the incident did happen and how furious the front office was. You mentioned that Kane's future did not look good in a Hawks uniform.

Personally with Panarin on board, I feel better about losing Kane. Besides the return for him should be outstanding. I really don't want us go through another another situation like last year.

Yes Kane is a Generational Talent, but he is also a generational pain in the butt. I would argue that Panarin could eclipse Kane. I can't wait for the season to start to see how a year of NHL ice time has changed Panarin. IF I were the Front Office I would do everything possible to lock him to a long term deal now, because I will bet he puts up even better numbers next season.


- gifman

In your GIF who is that making the sweet dish to Panarin?

Do you think the front office wants to wait for another situation? You pointed this out last summer when the incident did happen and how furious the front office was. You mentioned that Kane's future did not look good in a Hawks uniform.

Personally with Panarin on board, I feel better about losing Kane. Besides the return for him should be outstanding. I really don't want us go through another another situation like last year.

Yes Kane is a Generational Talent, but he is also a generational pain in the butt. I would argue that Panarin could eclipse Kane. I can't wait for the season to start to see how a year of NHL ice time has changed Panarin. IF I were the Front Office I would do everything possible to lock him to a long term deal now, because I will bet he puts up even better numbers next season.


- gifman

ahhh memories...his 1st goal and 1st goal of a year...who that he would go onto to ahve the year he did

A rare trade during the Stanley Cup playoffs?

@reporterchris
Hearing the #canucks and #FlaPanthers are closing in on a trade. Believe prospect Jared McCann is part of it. Working on full details.

Gotta be a small money goalie before you can be a big money goalie. Money is money and talent is talent no matter what that talent is paid makes no difference.

Point stands that the last 6 cup winning goalies are elite and/or wewre on their way to becoming elite. I think the Russian kid in TB fits the bill of a future cup winner and IMO the two best in the world are Price and Holtby.
- Mr Ricochet

There is no point to stand on....They weren't big money goalies before they won the Cup and that was the debate.

Quick wasn't a big money goalie when he won the first Cup and either was Crawford.

So you can't make the argument that for the most part big money goalies win...They don't. My point stands unless you find something that says otherwise...Teams that win the Cup and are successful for the long haul don't start off by signing a $6 or
$7million goalie.

I see, so you are sold on Darling...I get you, then there is no rebuttal on my part although I don't agree.
- Al

I think our little Darling is better than the Sharks Jones. Heck, Niemi won a cup here and he's no Crow either. Jj has said that the Scotty Bowan model doesn't pay the goalie and I would suggest that if the team comes back from their lunch break the goalie doesn't need to be your bet player. Plus, that where the money is. Crow. Perhaps he go.

It still seems to me that at some point, the players under contract are going to rebel at an ever-increasing escrow and give back.
- StLBravesFan

Or the other 75% are going to feel like they aren't being represented because most of the money goes to a small minority.

A rare trade during the Stanley Cup playoffs?

@reporterchris
Hearing the #canucks and #FlaPanthers are closing in on a trade. Believe prospect Jared McCann is part of it. Working on full details.
- DarthKane

According to Elliot Friedman:


As @reporterchris mentioned...FLA/VAN working on a McCann for Gudbranson deal. There are picks involved.