Yea it was active goalies over 200 games played. I don't think he is top 5 by any stretch he can get hot and win a series like he did for Montreal bUT he's no where near the elite goalies. Griess had better numbers as well as they eye test
- Upstate_isles

Halak's playoff sample size just isn't enough to qualify him as a special goaltender. He's got all of 30 career playoff games under his belt. That's not enough to say that he's better than guys with comparable numbers that have 100+ playoff games.

It's not a tiny sample size, but when Lundqvist has generally similar numbers and has maintained them over nearly 4x the amount of games...it says a lot.

In concept I agree with your assessment.. that said I don't think you move Halak until you have a reason to need Cap space. If you end up with a sht ton of Cap space and don't get any of the UFA's you want to sign with it then you just shipped a really good Goaltender who friggin OWNS the Rangers. If you are over the cap b/c of signs.. make the trade. If not.. keep Halak and Greiss.

Trade Bailey no matter what.

I know the Russian kid is a great prospect. Illya Sorkin (sp?). Who else do we have in the pipes for between the pipes? Is Koskinen still an Islander's asset? b/c He looked great in IIFA's.

Edit: according to Isles Website they still have Koskinen in their system. That is another guy who makes it interesting.

http://islanders.nhl.com/.../roster.htm?type=prospect
- niteislander

Here is a list of players Bailey outscored at 5v5 this year

RNH, Nick Foligno (who had a great season the year prior), Pastrnk, Couture, Turris, Marleau, JVR, Bjugstad, Hossa, Yakupov,

I'm against trading Bailey for the sake of trading him. If we were to sign Stamkos and needed to trade someone for Cap relief even after we traded Halak, sure, but Bailey is a very serviceable/good 3rd liner.

Really hope he is packaged with bailey or kulemin. Find a team that needs a goalie and needs to reach the cap floor. Looking at you yotes.

Halak's playoff sample size just isn't enough to qualify him as a special goaltender. He's got all of 30 career playoff games under his belt. That's not enough to say that he's better than guys with comparable numbers that have 100+ playoff games.

It's not a tiny sample size, but when Lundqvist has generally similar numbers and has maintained them over nearly 4x the amount of games...it says a lot.
- eichiefs9

Yup this was just 200 played total not playoffs I guess anything under 200 is considered too small a sample

Here is a list of players Bailey outscored at 5v5 this year

RNH, Nick Foligno (who had a great season the year prior), Pastrnk, Couture, Turris, Marleau, JVR, Bjugstad, Hossa, Yakupov,

I'm against trading Bailey for the sake of trading him. If we were to sign Stamkos and needed to trade someone for Cap relief even after we traded Halak, sure, but Bailey is a very serviceable/good 3rd liner.
- Danformo

Bailey (frank)ing sucks and if anyone will take his contract for free you get them a handy and a bag of white just for doing it. He is not a good third liner in fact he's the epitome of what you don't want in your bottom 6.

Can somebody post these stats because I would love to see them. I like Halak but he is not a top 5 goalie in the NHL. That's facking absurd
- Vukota

Last 3 seasons, sorted by Save % of all qualified goaltenders:

2015/16
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2015&sort=112

2014/15
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2014&sort=112

2013/14
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2013&sort=112

Halak's best ranking was 13/14 when he was 12th

I'm still not sold on getting rid of Halak. I get the reasoning, and agree with it to a point. And I don't think Halak is an irreplaceable goaltender by any means. But the guy came in and finally stabilized a position that's been a glaring weakness for this organization -- to the point of comedy some years -- for...how long? Since Chris Osgood? Maybe you throw in that one season of DP/Dubie in 06-07 as an oasis in the desert too. I'm not in love with the idea of saying, "Yeah, but some cap space" and parting ways just like that, for two relative unknowns that we're hoping are really a starter and backup. At least with Halak-Greiss, we know we have a capable starter and backup.

I also don't think $4.5m is that unreasonable for a starting G. It's probably around what you'll have to pay Greiss to retain him if he replicates this season next year anyway, so you save money for one season in exchange for a decent amount of risk.

Last 3 seasons, sorted by Save % of all qualified goaltenders:

2015/16
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2015&sort=112

2014/15
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2014&sort=112

2013/14
http://sports.yahoo.com/n...year=season_2013&sort=112

Halak's best ranking was 13/14 when he was 12th
- stashu

http://www.quanthockey.co...e-percentage-leaders.html
This is current but he's still #9 and 10 in gaa and save% amongst active goalies I believe it was better when he was first traded

Here is a list of players Bailey outscored at 5v5 this year

RNH, Nick Foligno (who had a great season the year prior), Pastrnk, Couture, Turris, Marleau, JVR, Bjugstad, Hossa, Yakupov,

I'm against trading Bailey for the sake of trading him. If we were to sign Stamkos and needed to trade someone for Cap relief even after we traded Halak, sure, but Bailey is a very serviceable/good 3rd liner.
- Danformo

Most of the guys you mentioned missed significant time to injury

I'm still not sold on getting rid of Halak. I get the reasoning, and agree with it to a point. And I don't think Halak is an irreplaceable goaltender by any means. But the guy came in and finally stabilized a position that's been a glaring weakness for this organization -- to the point of comedy some years -- for...how long? Since Chris Osgood? Maybe you throw in that one season of DP/Dubie in 06-07 as an oasis in the desert too. I'm not in love with the idea of saying, "Yeah, but some cap space" and parting ways just like that, for two relative unknowns that we're hoping are really a starter and backup. At least with Halak-Greiss, we know we have a capable starter and backup.

I also don't think $4.5m is that unreasonable for a starting G. It's probably around what you'll have to pay Greiss to retain him if he replicates this season next year anyway, so you save money for one season in exchange for a decent amount of risk.
- UIF

Maybe I am just playing Capt. Obvious but here's how EVERY discussion involving Garth and other GM's this Summer should start.

Garth calling: "Hello(insert GM name here), it's Garth Snow. I am interested in trading for(insert stud-player name). Who, besides JT or what do I need to give you to make that happen?"

Garth Answering: "This is Garth. You want to trade(insert stud player name) to the Islanders? Who, besides JT or what do I need to give back?"

Here is a list of players Bailey outscored at 5v5 this year

RNH, Nick Foligno (who had a great season the year prior), Pastrnk, Couture, Turris, Marleau, JVR, Bjugstad, Hossa, Yakupov,

I'm against trading Bailey for the sake of trading him. If we were to sign Stamkos and needed to trade someone for Cap relief even after we traded Halak, sure, but Bailey is a very serviceable/good 3rd liner.
- Danformo

Wow im.actually shocked by that stat

They should trade bailey as a favor.to.him. he would be a good fit in a different system. He loves to pass the puck even on a break away in OT. Put him on a young run and gun team and he will do better.

Also i wouldnt trade ho sang until i saw him play. Tell him straight up its put up or shut up time. If he matures and acts like a big boy he has some serious skill

RNH 55 games
Pastrnak 51 games
Turris 57 games
JVR 40 games
Bjugstad 67 games
Hossa 64 games
Yakupov 60 games

Bailey 81 games

RNH 55 games
Pastrnak 51 games
Turris 57 games
JVR 40 games
Bjugstad 67 games
Hossa 64 games
Yakupov 60 games

Bailey 81 games
- Dan Petriw

His 5v5 P/60 is also second worst out of that group.

His 5v5 P/60 is also second worst out of that group.


- eichiefs9

But......He.....still......had....more....points

But......He.....still......had....more....points
- Upstate_isles

Helps when you play 280 more minutes than the next highest guy.

Helps when you play 280 more minutes than the next highest guy.
- eichiefs9

To be fair Bailey really only played 20 of those minutes. The rest of the time he gently skated around.

I get dumping Halak but I am nervous about Greiss becoming the starter. It could blow up in the team's face.

Helps when you play 280 more minutes than the next highest guy.
- eichiefs9

If Josh bailey is part of something that brings back first line talent see ya Josh cause it's a lot easier to replace a third line player. And let's be honest kulamin Nelson clutterbuck cizikas prince bernier Grabo are all 3rd line players and Neilson said he should be one so that means we have jt and had okposo as 1st line players and okposo is second on a better team. Strome and lee I'll give second line although strome was missing half the year.....maybe his stall was next to baileys

http://www.newsday.com/sp...2016-offseason-1.11831342

Honestly, I don't really care what they get for him. I'd retain $1M if it meant getting a 3rd rounder, but I'd just as soon retain nothing and flip him for a 4th or 5th. He's only getting less healthy and that $4.5M (or $3.5M) is better spent elsewhere.
- eichiefs9

So where do you think Halak is going? Carolina, Dallas, Calgary? Maybe Toronto?

Does HomSang have a future with the NYI's? Tell me straight and no fan boy bullpoop.

I get dumping Halak but I am nervous about Greiss becoming the starter. It could blow up in the team's face.
- JimmyP

So where do you think Halak is going? Carolina, Dallas, Calgary? Maybe Toronto?
- Jeropotato

Toronto is always one I found interesting. He's a reasonably priced goalie that could give them a much better option than Bernier or Sparks. They have two picks in each of the first four rounds, so it's not like they can't spare a 3rd or a 4th/5th (or reasonably similar return). Depends where their organization is at with their rebuilding plan. He certainly makes them a more legitimate threat for the playoffs, especially so if they add Stammer.

Dallas seems like there are too many moving parts. They'd really need to dump both their goaltenders in order to make a move like that.

Calgary or Carolina seem like the most likely options. It gives them a stop-gap that can provide stability while they search for/develop the long-term netminder of the future.

Toronto is always one I found interesting. He's a reasonably priced goalie that could give them a much better option than Bernier or Sparks. They have two picks in each of the first four rounds, so it's not like they can't spare a 3rd or a 4th/5th (or reasonably similar return). Depends where their organization is at with their rebuilding plan. He certainly makes them a more legitimate threat for the playoffs, especially so if they add Stammer.

Dallas seems like there are too many moving parts. They'd really need to dump both their goaltenders in order to make a move like that.

Calgary or Carolina seem like the most likely options. It gives them a stop-gap that can provide stability while they search for/develop the long-term netminder of the future.
- eichiefs9

Who's the competition in regards to available goalies?

Last year the Oilers won the best available goalie sweeps obviously, but the other guys ( Lack, Niemi, etc...) kinda sucked. Okay, Jones is pretty great.

This year it's who? Reimer, Ward, who else?

Does HomSang have a future with the NYI's? Tell me straight and no fan boy bullpoop.
- Jeropotato

I mean, he seemingly has all the skill in the world to be a playmaking top-6 winger. I get the feeling that his perceived "attitude problems" are a bit overblown, but he does need to check his ego at the door on the way into training camp. If he does that he has as much chance as any other blue chip prospect does to make it with the team.