Looooooouuuuuuuuu...

sort of like that...
- geta02it

his name should be Mona

his name should be Mona
- SRam19

Or Henrik/Daniel...

Or Henrik/Daniel...
- geta02it

Whats wrong with Beastahan?

Whats wrong with Beastahan?
- zipfel

very tedious to say.

Whats wrong with Beastahan?
- zipfel

Seanahan

I don't really see why people think the article saying he's trying to command 6 million is crazy low. There's an almost direct comparison in Barkov. Barkov is a better player, was drafted higher, and signed for 5.9 million. The market has been set and it's going to be almost impossible for Monahan to squeeze more than 6.5 out of the Flames.

Seanahan
- FlamesNOTLames

Mona-ster

I don't really see why people think the article saying he's trying to command 6 million is crazy low. There's an almost direct comparison in Barkov. Barkov is a better player, was drafted higher, and signed for 5.9 million. The market has been set and it's going to be almost impossible for Monahan to squeeze more than 6.5 out of the Flames.
- Hunkulese

I'm curious as to how you get that Barkov is a better player when Monahan's numbers have clearly been better over both their three years in the league. He has a better points per game and goals per game, and you can argue that Barkov have been injury prone only playing at most 71 games in a season.

Maybe this past season Barkov had the edge, but Monahan was much better over the two previous.

Draft position doesn't mean anything any more. Are you saying that Drouin or Lindholm should make more than Monahan as both those were drafted ahead of him.

Monahan has earned (within the realm of the NHL) and deserves to get paid more than Barkov.

I don't really see why people think the article saying he's trying to command 6 million is crazy low. There's an almost direct comparison in Barkov. Barkov is a better player, was drafted higher, and signed for 5.9 million. The market has been set and it's going to be almost impossible for Monahan to squeeze more than 6.5 out of the Flames.
- Hunkulese

Sorry, but how are you saying Barkov is a "better player" than Monahan?

Put these guys side by side and they are statistically equal.

PPG are almost identical, Mony has the slightest of edges
Goals per game, Mony is ahead of Barkov
Equal in the dot

For parallels, it doesn't get any closer...

I'm curious as to how you get that Barkov is a better player when Monahan's numbers have clearly been better over both their three years in the league. He has a better points per game and goals per game, and you can argue that Barkov have been injury prone only playing at most 71 games in a season.

Maybe this past season Barkov had the edge, but Monahan was much better over the two previous.

Draft position doesn't mean anything any more. Are you saying that Drouin or Lindholm should make more than Monahan as both those were drafted ahead of him.

Monahan has earned (within the realm of the NHL) and deserves to get paid more than Barkov.
- dal_johnson

+1

I'm not saying Barkov is a much better player, but he is a slightly better all around player. He's better defensively, he's slightly more physical, and he'll probably turn out to be a better offensive player. I chose the Panthers as my team to watch in the East this year and Barkov has an ability to dominate a game in a way I haven't seen from Monahan.

Barkov's career numbers are slightly lower than Monahan's but he also wasn't the top line, team revolves around him player until this year. He also isn't playing with Gaudreau.

I don't mean it as a slight against Monahan, but I doubt there are very many who've watched a lot of both of them that wouldn't put Barkov slightly ahead.

The only thing going against Barkov is he's already missed decent chunks of two seasons with injuries.

Sorry, but how are you saying Barkov is a "better player" than Monahan?

Put these guys side by side and they are statistically equal.

PPG are almost identical, Mony has the slightest of edges
Goals per game, Mony is ahead of Barkov
Equal in the dot

For parallels, it doesn't get any closer...
- rmull905

Both are pretty great players that's forsure.

why is that bridge deal not agreeable?
SUbban's was under 3 and I believe he already had won a Norris
Marcus Johansen's was a 2 year 2mill per deal

I feel the bridge contract for Monahan would definitely be in the 3mill range
the debate would be how much is he worth in 2 years? Technically you shoudn't be offering more just because he had a bridge contract....his deal then would be what would be market value at that time
who knows, maybe contracts don't rise that much given the cap and revenue streams in a couple years
- cpltanto

Subban won the Norris during his bridge deal, thus the massive increase to $9mil.

As inflation goes up,and with his potential future acomplishments, like Subban, the likelihood of of his asking price goes up. It's good to have players like Mony and Johnny signed to long deals because as inflation rises, so dies the cap and the cost of contracts. So long as they mantain or keep increasing their production, theoretically, those become bargain contracts.

Mona-ster
- numbear

Please stop.

Mona-ster
- numbear

I was under the impression that it's Money-hands.

I don't really see why people think the article saying he's trying to command 6 million is crazy low. There's an almost direct comparison in Barkov. Barkov is a better player, was drafted higher, and signed for 5.9 million. The market has been set and it's going to be almost impossible for Monahan to squeeze more than 6.5 out of the Flames.
- Hunkulese

Please stop.

I was under the impression that it's Money-hands.
- dr_soiledpants

Yes it is

Please stop.
- TandA4Flames

Um, you bolded three things that are true. What's your issue exactly?

I'm curious as to how you get that Barkov is a better player when Monahan's numbers have clearly been better over both their three years in the league. He has a better points per game and goals per game, and you can argue that Barkov have been injury prone only playing at most 71 games in a season.

Maybe this past season Barkov had the edge, but Monahan was much better over the two previous.

Draft position doesn't mean anything any more. Are you saying that Drouin or Lindholm should make more than Monahan as both those were drafted ahead of him.

Monahan has earned (within the realm of the NHL) and deserves to get paid more than Barkov.
- dal_johnson

Agreed but not 2.0 mill more. But a 7 year 6.25-6.5 mill range is a pretty darn good deal for both parties.

Um, you bolded three things that are true. What's your issue exactly?
- Hunkulese

Barkov signed for 6 years so if the Flames want a 6 year deal, Barkov money is probably about right. An 8 year deal will cost the Flames more. Those 2 years are in Monahan's prime and they're UFA years.

My sources close to me have provided some very valuable information. Whispers are Monahan is likely to sign for 6.25 at 8 years with a milky way chocolate bar

My sources close to me have provided some very valuable information. Whispers are Monahan is likely to sign for 6.25 at 8 years with a milky way chocolate bar
- bigbear89

Sounds about right but I heard it was a Snickers bar. But my sources may not be as close to the truth as yours.

I have proposed this question several times on here and its sparked some conversation with regards to when the “Re-Build,’’ should be complete in our eyes. There is a fine line in there where GM’s need to take chances and peruse players via trade or FA to get you over the hump. Now this isn’t perfect science but I will try my best to keep this as factual as possible.

I believe that there is a short window as to when you should be competing for, and or winning the ultimate prize. The easiest place to start with, would be your number 1 and 2 players age.

Cup winners for the last 10 years.

Carolina Hurricanes 2005-2006, Top 2 players, Eric Stall first NHL season, Justin Williams 2nd.
Anaheim Ducks 2006-2007 Top 2 Players, Ryan Getzlaf 2nd NHL season, Corey Perry 1st NHL season
Detroit Red Wings 2007-2008 Top 2 Players, Pavel Datsyuk 5th NHL season, Henrik Zetterberg 5th NHL season
Pittsburgh Penguins 2008-2009 Top 2 Players, Sidney Crosby 4th NHL season, Evegeni Malkin 4th NHL season
Chicago Blackhawks 2009-2010 Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 3rd NHL Season, Patrick Kane 3rd season
Boston Bruins 2010-2011, Top 2 players, Patrice Bergeron 6th NHL season, Milan Lucic 4th NHL season
Los Angeles Kings 2011-2012, Top 2 players, Anze Kopitar 6 years, Drew Doughty 3rd NHL Season.
Chicago Blackhawks 2012-2013, Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 7th NHL seasons, Patrick Kane 7th NHL seasons
Los Angeles Kings 2013-2014 Top 2 players, Anze Kopitar 8th NHL seasons, Drew Doughty 5th NHL seasons
Chicago Blackhawks 2014-2015 Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 9th NHL seasons, Patrick Kane 9th NHL seasons

This year’s guess

Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby 11th NHL season, Evegni Malkin 11th NHL seasons. Exception? Not really they're both around 28 years old.

The NHL is a young man’s game and maybe salary cap plays a large part as well. In my opinion I believe that Johnny is top 10 LW in the league, Money is a top 20 center and Gio, Brodie, Hamilton are top 20 defense. I am of the belief that I would gladly throw the top 6 pick for a top 10, up and coming goalie. Playoff experience is key and drafting top 10 or blaming our success on us being in a rebuild should not be in our vocabulary next year. Will a goalie make us immediate contenders? NO! But that window will be that much shorter.

I have proposed this question several times on here and its sparked some conversation with regards to when the “Re-Build,’’ should be complete in our eyes. There is a fine line in there where GM’s need to take chances and peruse players via trade or FA to get you over the hump. Now this isn’t perfect science but I will try my best to keep this as factual as possible.

I believe that there is a short window as to when you should be competing for, and or winning the ultimate prize. The easiest place to start with, would be your number 1 and 2 players age.

Cup winners for the last 10 years.

Carolina Hurricanes 2005-2006, Top 2 players, Eric Stall first NHL season, Justin Williams 2nd.
Anaheim Ducks 2006-2007 Top 2 Players, Ryan Getzlaf 2nd NHL season, Corey Perry 1st NHL season
Detroit Red Wings 2007-2008 Top 2 Players, Pavel Datsyuk 5th NHL season, Henrik Zetterberg 5th NHL season
Pittsburgh Penguins 2008-2009 Top 2 Players, Sidney Crosby 4th NHL season, Evegeni Malkin 4th NHL season
Chicago Blackhawks 2009-2010 Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 3rd NHL Season, Patrick Kane 3rd season
Boston Bruins 2010-2011, Top 2 players, Patrice Bergeron 6th NHL season, Milan Lucic 4th NHL season
Los Angeles Kings 2011-2012, Top 2 players, Anze Kopitar 6 years, Drew Doughty 3rd NHL Season.
Chicago Blackhawks 2012-2013, Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 7th NHL seasons, Patrick Kane 7th NHL seasons
Los Angeles Kings 2013-2014 Top 2 players, Anze Kopitar 8th NHL seasons, Drew Doughty 5th NHL seasons
Chicago Blackhawks 2014-2015 Top 2 players, Johnathan Toes 9th NHL seasons, Patrick Kane 9th NHL seasons

This year’s guess

Pittsburgh Penguins Sidney Crosby 11th NHL season, Evegni Malkin 11th NHL seasons. Exception? Not really they're both around 28 years old.

The NHL is a young man’s game and maybe salary cap plays a large part as well. In my opinion I believe that Johnny is top 10 LW in the league, Money is a top 20 center and Gio, Brodie, Hamilton are top 20 defense. I am of the belief that I would gladly throw the top 6 pick for a top 10, up and coming goalie. Playoff experience is key and drafting top 10 or blaming our success on us being in a rebuild should not be in our vocabulary next year. Will a goalie make us immediate contenders? NO! But that window will be that much shorter.
- Yeah...Baby

Good thought provoking post. I need some time to chew on it.

I would say the one thing most of those teams had was the ability to roll 4 lines. You look at Pits for the last couple years and after their top 6 they have been pretty weak. This year with Hotdog boy and some good call-ups they are a different team.

Maybe you could look at it like the top 6 is obviously important, but with the brutality that comes with having to win 4 7 game series depth is just as important!

Sounds about right but I heard it was a Snickers bar. But my sources may not be as close to the truth as yours.
- Kevin R

Hmm very intriguing indeed