Not sure?! Lol what? You were conductor of the Ingram train...
- Mononoke

I need time to think!

If it's Pens and Sharks, it's not even a freaking question -- not the slightest question at all -- who I'm going for
- AllInForFlyers

Agreed. It is never okay to root for the Sharks unless they're playing the Rangers.

LOL -- I see what you did there

But seriously, Ryan White's value is that he does pop in some goals at a fourth-line salary. He plays a heavy game and isn't the worst guy to climb over the boards at any given moment

The problem is when you start paying Ryan White at a salary where you expect him to do good things for you, pop in those goals, then you trick yourself into playing him in a higher slot in the lineup. Then, those 8-10 minutes he should be playing turn into 12-14 minutes that you almost have to play him, where everything he can't do gets exposed on a nightly basis

White's a guy who is an NHL player. But you can't be afraid to let him be an NHL player on another team when those numbers start creeping past $1 million
- AllInForFlyers

Kind of like the Talbot situation. Scored some goals. Looked good. Got a bigger contract then really worth.

Agreed. It is never okay to root for the Sharks unless they're playing the Rangers.
- jmatchett383

LOL

Kind of like the Talbot situation. Scored some goals. Looked good. Got a bigger contract then really worth.
- J35Bacher

That's a very good comparable

That's a very good comparable
- AllInForFlyers

I think Talbot was a better player then RW.

I like RW and would be OK if they resign him. Something like 2-2.25 total for a 2 yr deal.

I think Talbot was a better player then RW.

I like RW and would be OK if they resign him. Something like 2-2.25 total for a 2 yr deal.
- Marc D

See, it's all relative -- they're both 9-12 forwards. They have different strengths, depending on your system

Again, it's not a crime to be a 9-12 forward. They are NHL players. But you should not overpay those guys just because they are up for new deals, that's all

So White is coming on the MOAT Boat?
- PhillySportsGuy

He's my boy...

I'm in diametric opposition to my former stance of bringing in up front help. I've embraced the anti-shiny-new-toy/growth-from-within movement.

I'm not even sure we should draft anyone this year.

He scored 11 goals. If he played with anyone who could put the puck in the net he definitely would have had more assists.
- mayorofangrytown

Not sure if serious, but...

He put goals in the net as often as Bellemare did 5 on 5. Scoring a few PPGs in a tiny sample size doesn't mean he deserves twice as much money as Bellemare. You'd be giving the guy an extra $750,000 based on 69 minutes of work.

LOL
- AllInForFlyers

I don't know why, but I hate the Sharks. Always have for some reason, but I can't explain it. But I do.

I guess it's that they're the Eagles of the NHL; always have a strong regular season and then blow it in the playoffs, and then tout themselves as a top (or "model") franchise.

I think Talbot was a better player then RW.

I like RW and would be OK if they resign him. Something like 2-2.25 total for a 2 yr deal.
- Marc D

I'd grimace but...man. I don't know. I'd see what's out there before I did that, but I do understand why some would sign him for something like that

Again: I like Ryan White. But there's a limit where I walk away, and it's a pretty firm one

LOL -- I see what you did there

But seriously, Ryan White's value is that he does pop in some goals at a fourth-line salary. He plays a heavy game and isn't the worst guy to climb over the boards at any given moment

The problem is when you start paying Ryan White at a salary where you expect him to do good things for you, pop in those goals, then you trick yourself into playing him in a higher slot in the lineup. Then, those 8-10 minutes he should be playing turn into 12-14 minutes that you almost have to play him, where everything he can't do gets exposed on a nightly basis

White's a guy who is an NHL player. But you can't be afraid to let him be an NHL player on another team when those numbers start creeping past $1 million
- AllInForFlyers

I like him a lot. I'm not giving him much north of one mil. He could more easily score 4 goals next year as another 11.

He's my boy...

I'm in diametric opposition to my former stance of bringing in up front help. I've embraced the anti-shiny-new-toy/growth-from-within movement.

I'm not even sure we should draft anyone this year.
- mayorofangrytown

I knew that's where you were going, you sly dog

Kind of like the Talbot situation. Scored some goals. Looked good. Got a bigger contract then really worth.
- J35Bacher

That's a stretch. Talbot was a consistent 20+ point guy, and an excellent Pker.

See, it's all relative -- they're both 9-12 forwards. They have different strengths, depending on your system

Again, it's not a crime to be a 9-12 forward. They are NHL players. But you should not overpay those guys just because they are up for new deals, that's all
- AllInForFlyers

That's the thing. You like to have him at YOUR numbers.

I am not sure if I want him at 1.5 or anymore. Kassian just got 1.5. I could see martin getting something like 2. White could try and use them as comparable.

I like him a lot. I'm not giving him much north of one mil. He could more easily score 4 goals next year as another 11.
- mayorofangrytown

Exactly -- never lose sleep over a 9-12 forward whose skill set is exactly what you know it is

Not sure if serious, but...

He put goals in the net as often as Bellemare did 5 on 5. Scoring a few PPGs in a tiny sample size doesn't mean he deserves twice as much money as Bellemare. You'd be giving the guy an extra $750,000 based on 69 minutes of work.
- Feanor

Yeah, man. Completely not serious.

I'd rather sign someone who can play higher in the line up and push a current player down than spend significant dollars on Ryan White.

That's a stretch. Talbot was a consistent 20+ point guy, and an excellent Pker.
- Feanor

I know.

They aren't the EXACT player.

My biggest issue is that the 4th line, though they did OK in the playoffs, were terrible for most of the year, getting blitzkrieged at evens and showing an inability to do anything chance-wise even when they got good cycles. Shouldn't we want to upgrade that?

I knew that's where you were going, you sly dog

- AllInForFlyers

See, it's all relative -- they're both 9-12 forwards. They have different strengths, depending on your system

Again, it's not a crime to be a 9-12 forward. They are NHL players. But you should not overpay those guys just because they are up for new deals, that's all
- AllInForFlyers

I'm pretty sure Hexy gets this and don't expect him to overpay.

Sort of excited to see what they do with Brayden, because that is where it could get real interesting.

Yeah, man. Completely not serious.

I'd rather sign someone who can play higher in the line up and push a current player down than spend significant dollars on Ryan White.
- mayorofangrytown

For me I would like a player like Maroon. Can play up and down the lineup but also can be a 4th liner and still produce.

That's the thing. You like to have him at YOUR numbers.

I am not sure if I want him at 1.5 or anymore. Kassian just got 1.5. I could see martin getting something like 2. White could try and use them as comparable.
- J35Bacher

Kassian moves up and down the lineup for them, as well -- sometimes he was on the fourth, but he saw plenty of time in other slots as well

Could you slide White up some? Sure. He provides some value on PP2, can take some faceoffs. He's capable of getting some shifts higher in the lineup

But I wouldn't let Kassian be a comparable, if it was me. Edmonton needs Kassian more than the Flyers need White, and paying bottom 6 forwards too much based on need is why they are Edmonton, you know?

He's my boy...

I'm in diametric opposition to my former stance of bringing in up front help. I've embraced the anti-shiny-new-toy/growth-from-within movement.

I'm not even sure we should draft anyone this year.
- mayorofangrytown

this is fcking great

My biggest issue is that the 4th line, though they did OK in the playoffs, were terrible for most of the year, getting blitzkrieged at evens and showing an inability to do anything chance-wise even when they got good cycles. Shouldn't we want to upgrade that?
- Mononoke

Absolutely -- gotta try to push these guys out of the lineup. Again: I like them. I don't love them. You gotta try to bring in players who can push them out