I like the Rafll deal. For a guy who scored 20 goals, he is only signed for 2.35 a year. Especially since he can play any forward spot and basically play on any line. Even if they had a huge influx of talent he could still be a good 4th line center and kill penalties.
- J35Bacher

read scored more than 20 several times. raffle did it 1 time. we disagree.

if your paying someone over 2mm to be on your 4thline that's a problem. imo.

I don't know if I would go that far. If I was to have to pick one and lose the other I would take Bellemare over White.

Also I think once you see more talent on the roster White will be off the PP.
- J35Bacher

I agree. I also think that if we were to acquire a forward with a bit more of a scoring touch, it'd take White right off of the PP. I always thought that he limited the potential for creativity on that second unit.

I don't know if I would go that far. If I was to have to pick one and lose the other I would take Bellemare over White.

Also I think once you see more talent on the roster White will be off the PP.
- J35Bacher

not disagreeing with you...i with we overrate bellemare to a certain extent though. White has embraced the role better I think, but the sloppiness is annoying. Better at face offs and is really one of the few net front presences on the team...more unique set of skills if you will. Bellemare is better defensively and appears to be a better skater. Better accent, straighter nose

i even think that's too much. we know what he brings, and in a perfect world we could keep him. but giving him anymore than 1 million is not a good move, especially since he wont do a 1 year deal again. Leier i think can come up and do exactly what he did, albeit with a little more defense, scoring, and speed. or bring up goulbourne and groom him as a 4th liner energy guy, either option is cheaper, and both wont give you a ton less than what white gives, IMO
- sjk540

I would be ok Leier in Read's spot and Goulbourne in whites and use the savings on a better 1/2nd line winger.

If say white asked for something big here are guys that would maybe interest me in FA for a 3/4 line role.

Johnathan Marchessault(600K)
Dale Weise- prev cap hit(1.025)
Scottie Upshall(700k)
Colton Sceviour(700K)
Ryan Carter(625K)
Brad Boyes(700K)
- J35Bacher

there will be plenty guys available to fill his role come summer time imo.

instead of giving him a multi year deal with a raise find the next ryan white on a 1 year 700k deal.

That was what I was thinking, too. Substantial raise but still manageable on the cap and the term is fair given that players in his role pretty much have to re-prove themselves year after year.
- bmeltzer

I can't understand why you think Hextall would give White a contract that's worth twice as much as the contracts he gave White's linemates last year.

read scored more than 20 several times. raffle did it 1 time. we disagree.

if your paying someone over 2mm to be on your 4thline that's a problem. imo.
- rinaldo

I don't want him on the 4th line.

But as the team gets better his skill set allows him to play on every line. HIs contract is easy to move if needed but also not a burden on the team.

That's what I was saying.

And Yes I know the success Read had. But look at him now. He can't even play a 3rd line role and even the PK is suspect. Right now Raffl is a better player than Read

Those suggested numbers for White are insanely high. He's not any more valuable to the team than Bellemare.
- Feanor

Double digit goals, the volume of hits he registered and the fact that there's going to be interest in him in the UFA market inflates the numbers. Just the reality.

read scored more than 20 several times. raffle did it 1 time. we disagree.

if your paying someone over 2mm to be on your 4thline that's a problem. imo.
- rinaldo

He's not a 4th liner. He's 2nd/3rd liner who averages 13:51 in ice time per game, and 31 points per 82 games. If $2.35m is too much for Raffl, how does $1.5m make sense for a guy like White who averages 15 points per 82 games?

there will be plenty guys available to fill his role come summer time imo.

instead of giving him a multi year deal with a raise find the next ryan white on a 1 year 700k deal.
- rinaldo

Johnathan Marchessault really intrigues me. He is always noticeable when he plays. I know we want size but I think he could slide into the 3rd line role and play with Laughton, Leier, Cousins or whoever plays there.

I can't understand why you think Hextall would give White a contract that's worth twice as much as the contracts he gave White's linemates last year.
- Feanor

Because he can get it on the open market this summer and the Flyers will be paying against that. Hence the premise of the blog that it's not as much of a slam-dunk as it was a year ago.

May 19, 1974
- Bill Meltzer

The greatest day ever, by far, in 9 year-old me's life.

Double digit goals, the volume of hits he registered and the fact that there's going to be interest in him in the UFA market inflates the numbers. Just the reality.
- bmeltzer

Why was there no similar market interest in VdV after he scored 9 goals and 6 assists in 72 games last season and was a much bigger part of the Flyers PK than White was this season?

Because he can get it on the open market this summer and the Flyers will be paying against that.
- bmeltzer

People want Matt Martin. He is a UFA this season after making 1.3 I believe. I have a feeling he is going to get a 3 year deal close to Raffl or possibly more do to UFA bidding.

That's what a good season before UFA does.

He plays PP and PK...whether he should or not is debatable but I think hes more valuable than Belly
- YuenglingJagr

lol...the worst

He's not a 4th liner. He's 2nd/3rd liner who averages 13:51 in ice time per game, and 31 points per 82 games. If $2.35m is too much for Raffl, how does $1.5m make sense for a guy like White who averages 15 points per 82 games?
- Feanor

exactly right

Why was there no similar market interest in VdV after he scored 9 goals and 6 assists in 72 games last season and was a much bigger part of the Flyers PK than White was this season?
- Feanor

He wasn't a UFA last season. He signed a 2 year deal after 2015 season

Lee Stempniak had 15 goals and 28 points in 14-15.

He signed a one year, $850,000 contract with NJ for 15-16.

I don't want him on the 4th line.

But as the team gets better his skill set allows him to play on every line. HIs contract is easy to move if needed but also not a burden on the team.

That's what I was saying.

And Yes I know the success Read had. But look at him now. He can't even play a 3rd line role and even the PK is suspect. Right now Raffl is a better player than Read
- J35Bacher

raffle is the better player no doubt. maybe he regresses. my point is you shouldn't give out 3 year deals to guys like raffle is all.

People want Matt Martin. He is a UFA this season after making 1.3 I believe. I have a feeling he is going to get a 3 year deal close to Raffl or possibly more do to UFA bidding.

That's what a good season before UFA does.
- J35Bacher

martin will get the prust deal imo...

He's not a 4th liner. He's 2nd/3rd liner who averages 13:51 in ice time per game, and 31 points per 82 games. If $2.35m is too much for Raffl, how does $1.5m make sense for a guy like White who averages 15 points per 82 games?
- Feanor

who said he was a 4thline player?

lol...the worst
- Scoob

I don't understand. If we want the Flyers to practice patience with kids then a guy like Bellemare, who is only making 712K, is nice to have on a 4th line. He plays tough PK minutes and a good defensive game for very cheap. He'll be a UFA after this season. Hopefully then you can either promote someone from LHV or maybe Cousins fills into the 4th line center role as someone fills the 3rd line role.

He wasn't a UFA last season. He signed a 2 year deal after 2015 season
- J35Bacher

Presumably he would have gone to UFA if there were teams looking to pay him $1.5m rather than the $712,500 Hextall offered.

I don't understand. If we want the Flyers to practice patience with kids then a guy like Bellemare, who is only making 712K, is nice to have on a 4th line. He plays tough PK minutes and a good defensive game for very cheap. He'll be a UFA after this season. Hopefully then you can either promote someone from LHV or maybe Cousins fills into the 4th line center role as someone fills the 3rd line role.
- J35Bacher

Clearly...I was referring to the nickname.

raffle is the better player no doubt. maybe he regresses. my point is you shouldn't give out 3 year deals to guys like raffle is all.
- rinaldo

Why?

What harm is his deal doing?