this is what the 5th pick has gotten you the past 10 drafts

Phil Kessel
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Brayden Schenn
Nino Niederreiter
Ryan Strome
Morgan Rielly
Elias Lindholm
Michael Dal Colle
Noah Hanifin

3 maybe 4 I would take over JVR
- senstroll

JVR only has 2 more years left then he's UFA. that hurts his value when we're talking about a rebuilding team acquiring him.

Bernier agrees with his decision.
- Steven_Seagull

Boards was a great president

Though I know Laine is full of skills, i'm a little skeptical because he's on a stacked Finnish team that's probably going to win it all, as opposed to Matthews that's on a crappy bush team..

Both are awesome and both will succeed in the NHL.. but there's no way to tell which one will be better. In fact, we shouldn't really be comparing them right now. One's a flairing sniper and the other one is a 2-way that plays on all situations. Totally different skillset.
- Delryk

Laine is a kessel. Matthews is a Tavares.

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- senstroll

Hot dog Phil does not deserve a cup.
- cesareborgia

It pisses me off how the guy is just skating around slowly, not caring about anything, and scoring (that's all he does).

When will the Penguins coach realize this guy is hurting the team?

Laine is a kessel. Matthews is a Tavares.
- cesareborgia[/quote

I would be thrilled with that for Matthews. I think Laine will end up being a better all round player than Philip.

Laine is a Lemieux. Matthews is a Gretzky.
- cesareborgia

Fixed

Well then I want Wideman at full price as well

- Seanook

Because the Leafs have won the lottery, they now have the appropriate assets to make that deal.

But Kessel really is a lazy, heartless, fat, coachkiller. Not a good guy to have around when your team is so young.
- cesareborgia

Ok

It pisses me off how the guy is just skating around slowly, not caring about anything, and scoring (that's all he does).

When will the Penguins coach realize this guy is hurting the team?
- Atomic Wedgie

I hope Pitts win the cup....just for the entertainment

[quote=senstroll]this is what the 5th pick has gotten you the past 10 drafts

Phil Kessel
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Brayden Schenn
Nino Niederreiter
Ryan Strome
Morgan Rielly
Elias Lindholm
Michael Dal Colle
Noah Hanifin


True - but not all drafts are equal: This year we are looking at one of Tkachuk,Nylander, Dubois or Juolevi - all four look like pretty good prospects - likely good for a long time. JVR is a proven scorer with 2 years of control. Good contract but two more years! what would you rather have 2 years of JVR at 4.25 mil or Nylander at 800k for five or six?

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- senstroll

It pisses me off how the guy is just skating around slowly, not caring about anything, and scoring (that's all he does).

When will the Penguins coach realize this guy is hurting the team?
- Atomic Wedgie

When they get the lifetime supply of Sourkraut delivered in the offseason that goes against the cap next year.

[quote=senstroll]this is what the 5th pick has gotten you the past 10 drafts

Phil Kessel
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Brayden Schenn
Nino Niederreiter
Ryan Strome
Morgan Rielly
Elias Lindholm
Michael Dal Colle
Noah Hanifin


True - but not all drafts are equal: This year we are looking at one of Tkachuk,Nylander, Dubois or Juolevi - all four look like pretty good prospects - likely good for a long time. JVR is a proven scorer with 2 years of control. Good contract but two more years! what would you rather have 2 years of JVR at 4.25 mil or Nylander at 800k for five or six?
- winsix

the answer to that question is not the same for every team.
Nylander is still unknown, no guarantees he is a better player than JVR.

A team might think they are a playoff team and want a 25-30 goal scorer over a prospect. i dont get the idea Vancouver (Benning) thinks the Canucks are as bad off as they are.

Dumb moves will be made

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- senstroll

[quote=senstroll]this is what the 5th pick has gotten you the past 10 drafts

Phil Kessel
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Brayden Schenn
Nino Niederreiter
Ryan Strome
Morgan Rielly
Elias Lindholm
Michael Dal Colle
Noah Hanifin


True - but not all drafts are equal: This year we are looking at one of Tkachuk,Nylander, Dubois or Juolevi - all four look like pretty good prospects - likely good for a long time. JVR is a proven scorer with 2 years of control. Good contract but two more years! what would you rather have 2 years of JVR at 4.25 mil or Nylander at 800k for five or six?
- winsix

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, but the bolded can't be true. He has to have some performance bonuses in that contract for the next 2 years then will be up for a new contract that one would have to think would be higher than 800k.

He burned a year off his ELC this year, right? Or am I wrong on that?

[quote=senstroll]this is what the 5th pick has gotten you the past 10 drafts

Phil Kessel
Karl Alzner
Luke Schenn
Brayden Schenn
Nino Niederreiter
Ryan Strome
Morgan Rielly
Elias Lindholm
Michael Dal Colle
Noah Hanifin


True - but not all drafts are equal: This year we are looking at one of Tkachuk,Nylander, Dubois or Juolevi - all four look like pretty good prospects - likely good for a long time. JVR is a proven scorer with 2 years of control. Good contract but two more years! what would you rather have 2 years of JVR at 4.25 mil or Nylander at 800k for five or six?
- winsix

The other drafts were thought of as good as well.

The guys coming in (like nylander) aren't going to make 800 for 5-6 years. They get elc for 3 years (and that's more than 800k+ bonus) and then afte r3 years they be most likely 5mil or more if they live put to expectation

The other drafts were thought of as good as well.

The guys coming in (like nylander) aren't going to make 800 for 5-6 years. They get elc for 3 years (and that's more than 800k+ bonus) and then afte r3 years they be most likely 5mil or more if they live put to expectation
- burn

Its basically the same thing every Draft.. the 4,5,6 picks are treated like sure fire stars, cant miss..

We are guilty of the same thing as leaf fans

the answer to that question is not the same for every team.
Nylander is still unknown, no guarantees he is a better player than JVR.

A team might think they are a playoff team and want a 25-30 goal scorer over a prospect. i dont get the idea Vancouver (Benning) thinks the Canucks are as bad off as they are.

Dumb moves will be made
- senstroll

I agree that dumb moves will be made. Especially by Vancouver and Edmonton. I think the fan base in Vancouver would blow a gasket if Benning made that deal. Wonder what the Vegas odds are of Edmonton picking first overall next year?

Its basically the same thing every Draft.. the 4,5,6 picks are treated like sure fire stars, cant miss..

We are guilty of the same thing as leaf fans
- senstroll

Very True but : in this case we have a brother in Leaf system - he sure looks ok to me, and his brother is supposedly better.

Its basically the same thing every Draft.. the 4,5,6 picks are treated like sure fire stars, cant miss..

We are guilty of the same thing as leaf fans
- senstroll

"This draft" meaning whatever one is current, will always be called deeper than the last.

I agree that dumb moves will be made. Especially by Vancouver and Edmonton. I think the fan base in Vancouver would blow a gasket if Benning made that deal. Wonder what the Vegas odds are of Edmonton picking first overall next year?
- winsix

Didn't you hear? They are going to win the cup. Tanner says so, so it must be true. He's smarter than all of us.

1-0 Germany

Based on what the Leafs "Currently" have to work with, I think the Defense Core for this upcoming season should look like this:

TOP 6
o Morgan Rielly - Left ('94)
o Jake Gardiner - Left ('90)
o Connor Carrick - Right ('94)
o Nikita Zaitsev - Right ('91)
o Matt Hunwick - Left ('85)
o Martin Marincin - Left ('93)

**7th D-Man**
Battle between the below 3 players...
o Scott Harrington - Left ('93)*would have to really impress during preseason**
o Stuart Percy - Left ('93) **I think the Leafs will look to trade him this Summer**
o Frank Corrado - Right ('93)**think the leafs will try to sneak him through waivers**
All potentially trade-able if they dont want to risk losing them via waivers.

Returning to AHL:
o Rinat Valiev - Left ('95)
o Viktor Loov - Left ('92)
Because the Leafs have the ability to be send both to the AHL....You use that option. Both Could be called up during the season--if playing well with the Marlies.
- Sandro

Would be OK with trading Gardiner and losing Hunwick/Marincin

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- senstroll

love how the centre and left winger from denmark think they are doing a good job blocking the lane to the empty corner.