Curious to see how Gropp does without Barzal next year.

I love that Larry Brooks writes an article about a 3rd round pick being signed so now He is GREAT according the the Fanbase. I guess when you have no first round pick for a 3rd year straight you have to find someone to talk about in the system.
- niteislander

Except that he was rated as one of the best prospects in the world and not on a biased list either:

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.436669

Ho Sang >>> Gropp (Thanks for that pick. Kid seems to be finally getting his sht together).

Except that he was rated as one of the best prospects in the world and not on a biased list either:

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hoc...liated-prospects-1.436669
- MidnightMarauder

So was Petrov.. and he has very Petrov like numbers in KHL. .. just saying.

http://www.hockeysfuture....ew-york-islanders-awards/ no surprises really but nice article.

So was Petrov.. and he has very Petrov like numbers in KHL. .. just saying.
- niteislander

Buchnevich's numbers compare favorably to Kuznetsov's, Tarasenko's and Panarin's as well.

Picks outside of the first round succeed in the NHL.

Buchnevich's numbers compare favorably to Kuznetsov's, Tarasenko's and Panarin's as well.

Picks outside of the first round succeed in the NHL.
- MidnightMarauder

sometimes they do.. sometimes they don't.

sometimes they do.. sometimes they don't.
- niteislander

The overall percentages fall in your side of this debate based on the sheer mathetmatics. But, there are plenty of examples of top flight players that are not first round selections around the NHL.

Brooks' article on Buchnevich is not what signaled excitement for the Ranger fan base. Since there is a dearth of top end prospects, in the organization, most fans kept their eye on his development in the KHL. If you can put your bias aside, for one second, you'll see Buchnevich is a top end prospect. Only reason he fell to the third round was sheerly based on his nationality and the fact that a lot of teams scare off of drafting Russian players already committed to the KHL. Kuznetsov fell to the late first round purely based off this.

If that 2010 first round were to be done again, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko are top five overall picks.

sometimes they do.. sometimes they don't.
- niteislander

Lets just put it this way, I believe Rangers fans have a right to be excited to see how Buchnevich plays considering he is rated pretty high and has shown some great skill, as much as you guys should be excited to see Barzal play.

No one is making any wild predictions, or saying Buchnevich is going to be a star. Just nice to see a touted prospect possibly join the team.

sometimes they do.. sometimes they don't.
- niteislander

Sometimes picks in the 1st round don't work out either (see: Bailey, Reinhart, Nino, O'Marra, add Ho Sang, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Barzal to the list shortly too)

Lets just put it this way, I believe Rangers fans have a right to be excited to see how Buchnevich plays considering he is rated pretty high and has shown some great skill, as much as you guys should be excited to see Barzal play.

No one is making any wild predictions, or saying Buchnevich is going to be a star. Just nice to see a touted prospect possibly join the team.
- mdw7413

Bust

Bust
- Cptmjl

Pubustlock

Sometimes picks in the 1st round don't work out either (see: Bailey, Reinhart, Nino, O'Marra, add Ho Sang, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Barzal to the list shortly too)
- rangerdanger94

All trolling aside, I think Barzal is going to be a good one.

Bust
- Cptmjl

Bust
- Cptmjl

You stay out of this. I think its gerber time for the wife.

Pubustlock
- rangerdanger94

The overall percentages fall in your side of this debate based on the sheer mathetmatics. But, there are plenty of examples of top flight players that are not first round selections around the NHL.

Brooks' article on Buchnevich is not what signaled excitement for the Ranger fan base. Since there is a dearth of top end prospects, in the organization, most fans kept their eye on his development in the KHL. If you can put your bias aside, for one second, you'll see Buchnevich is a top end prospect. Only reason he fell to the third round was sheerly based on his nationality and the fact that a lot of teams scare off of drafting Russian players already committed to the KHL. Kuznetsov fell to the late first round purely based off this.

If that 2010 first round were to be done again, Kuznetsov and Tarasenko are top five overall picks.
- MidnightMarauder

I am guessing Mark Stone who was drafted in the 6th round that year is a first round pick too.. hindsight is always 20/20. Buchnevich dropped to 3rd round for a reason. That reason was he was Lazy. If you think a Russian kid described as Lazy is going to be a GREAT nhl player... so be it. I would wish you luck but I don't mean it.

I am guessing Mark Stone who was drafted in the 6th round that year is a first round pick too.. hindsight is always 20/20. Buchnevich dropped to 3rd round for a reason. That reason was he was Lazy. If you think a Russian kid described as Lazy is going to be a GREAT nhl player... so be it. I would wish you luck but I don't mean it.
- niteislander

If you can find any scouting reports that deem Buchnevich as lazy, and that being the reason he slipped to the third round, please share.

Sometimes picks in the 1st round don't work out either (see: Bailey, Reinhart, Nino, O'Marra, add Ho Sang, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Barzal to the list shortly too)
- rangerdanger94

Al Montoya, Hugh Jessiman, Dan Blackburn, Bob Sanguinetti, MDZ, Kreider.. etc. U meant like those guys? (I refused to mention 2007 pick.. I am not that big if a tool)

If you can find any scouting reports that deem Buchnevich as lazy, and that being the reason he slipped to the third round, please share.
- MidnightMarauder

http://bleacherreport.com...rk-rangers-3rd-round-pick

Anything else u need?

Sometimes picks in the 1st round don't work out either (see: Bailey, Reinhart, Nino, O'Marra, add Ho Sang, Beauvillier, Dal Colle, and Barzal to the list shortly too)
- rangerdanger94

you wish you had anything close to the 4 prospects whose future you are foolishly predicting....

you wish you had anything close to the 4 prospects whose future you are foolishly predicting....
- jmo16

I remember 4 years ago when you guys were hyping up Reinhart as the next Shea Weber

Must be nice having prospects to always brag about considering you can't be proven wrong yet

I am guessing Mark Stone who was drafted in the 6th round that year is a first round pick too.. hindsight is always 20/20. Buchnevich dropped to 3rd round for a reason. That reason was he was Lazy. If you think a Russian kid described as Lazy is going to be a GREAT nhl player... so be it. I would wish you luck but I don't mean it.
- niteislander

Straw man.. no one said he was going to be "GREAT". So by your standard Ho-Sang will never amount to anything and just be a petulant little child.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1687171-pavel-buchnevich-prospect-profile-for-new-york-rangers-3rd-round-pick

Anything else u need?
- niteislander

The same site that suggested Steve Mason was the Metropolitan Division's best goaltender?

I'll look into this asap.

Straw man.. no one said he was going to be "GREAT". So by your standard Ho-Sang will never amount to anything and just be a petulant little child.
- mdw7413

Racist