[quote=LordHumungous]Very poor drafting.

It's always easy to find the praise when the team is doing well. However many were talking about the train wreck San Jose was after missing the PO's last season (2014/15) and the crap surrounding Thornton/Marleau and the captaincy...they haven't been without their circus acts.

But kudos to the team for being able to stay contending. Also SJ did not have a Kesler and Lou situation where they were purposely disrupting the room. Big difference IMO.
- belcherbd[/quote]


You honestly believe those guys were purposely disrupting the room....

I feel like some of you guys are getting your programing mixed up with the Bachelor again.

SJ has stayed competitive because like lefty said they drafted and developed talent. They also have been able to sign and trade for effective players. The same people lauding Jumbo and Marleau for being great leaders today were the same people calling them choke artists and gutless a year ago. That stuff is over way overblown...

Luo and Kesler didn't disrupt the room in any way shape or form. that numbskull MG didn't follow through and trade Schneider in a timely manner thereby setting things up to lose both franchise goalchies.

Kesler left cuz he didn't see any hope with management and the commitment to Torts. Can't blame him for wanting out.

it's the idiots at TSN and other media trying to hype things up to get viewers.

everyone already knows whoever gets drafted first will essentially wither away their career and never amount to much. it's a shame that some decent young man will have their career derailed just as its getting started.

i felt bad for matthews when he almost started crying when asked how he felt after the lottery. such a sad situation.
- kaptaan

No its not TSN. It is actually every sports media outlet and everyone sports newspaper and every sports radio talkshow. It is ridiculous.

No its not TSN. It is actually every sports media outlet and everyone sports newspaper and every sports radio talkshow. It is ridiculous.
- Codes1087

a dirty finnish conspiracy

it's the idiots at TSN and other media trying to hype things up to get viewers.

everyone already knows whoever gets drafted first will essentially wither away their career and never amount to much. it's a shame that some decent young man will have their career derailed just as its getting started.

i felt bad for matthews when he almost started crying when asked how he felt after the lottery. such a sad situation.
- kaptaan

No its not TSN. It is actually every sports media outlet and everyone sports newspaper and every sports radio talkshow. It is ridiculous.
- Codes1087

How does TSN not get included???

How does TSN not get included???
- kaptaan

TSN is included.

Opinions on Jim Craig selling off his Gold Medal and Olympic memorabilia.

Opinions on Jim Craig selling off his Gold Medal and Olympic memorabilia.
- A_SteamingLombardi

It's his to do with what he wants. It's like getting a jersey signed by your favorite player and then selling it on Ebay for a profit.

It's his to do with what he wants. It's like getting a jersey signed by your favorite player and then selling it on Ebay for a profit.
- Retinalz

It's his to do with what he wants. It's like getting a jersey signed by your favorite player and then selling it on Ebay for a profit.
- Retinalz

Exactly, and he's using the money for his kids

Exactly, and he's using the money for his kids
- A_SteamingLombardi

That dirty bastard ...

How does TSN not get included???
- kaptaan

you could lump TSN into every single category listed I think....

Anyone see Patterson's article on how San Jose has stayed relevant since 2011 why the Canucks have fallen off a cliff? Basically the Sharks have the same core players in Thornton, Pavelski and Marleau but they drafted well and built depth, plus, Wilson totally remade their defence.

Essentially Nonis and Gillis really failed the franchise with their poor drafting and their inability to trade from a position of strength.
- LeftCoaster

Well I guess making the playoffs makes the relevant but if they fail in the CF then it doesn't really matter.

That's why Chicago is successful and we aren't
- classic321

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

Anyone see Patterson's article on how San Jose has stayed relevant since 2011 why the Canucks have fallen off a cliff? Basically the Sharks have the same core players in Thornton, Pavelski and Marleau but they drafted well and built depth, plus, Wilson totally remade their defence.

Essentially Nonis and Gillis really failed the franchise with their poor drafting and their inability to trade from a position of strength.
- LeftCoaster

...and people wonder why I give grief to those on here that were so hostile about pointing it out back when the house of cards was starting to tilt...


No surprise that they were the ones to immediately turn on the new GM and blame him for the current situation.

Derek Roy and similar rentals for picks are why we are where we are today.


Påhlsson (I think was for some late round picks, but still a rental)
- hillbillydeluxe

I'd say it has much more to do with coming up with blanks in the first round over and over. Horvat for two seasons and Hodgson for one is all the contribution we've received from Gillis' seven first round picks(aside from a few games from the fringe guys). Oh, and Nonis blowing the drafts that Burke did not work out for him before leaving.

I'd say it has much more to do with coming up with blanks in the first round over and over. Horvat for two seasons and Hodgson for one is all the contribution we've received from Gillis' seven first round picks(aside from a few games from the fringe guys). Oh, and Nonis blowing the drafts that Burke did not work out for him before leaving.

- boonerbuck

both arguments are essentially the same.
We missed on 1st round selections and traded many of the 2nd-4th round selections (where we may have unearthed a player of value).
Either way the cupboards are bare, they have obviously improved but that is why we have such a gap in the depth and why JB is targeting players in that low to mid 20's age range to make up.

You honestly believe those guys were purposely disrupting the room....

I feel like some of you guys are getting your programing mixed up with the Bachelor again.

SJ has stayed competitive because like lefty said they drafted and developed talent. They also have been able to sign and trade for effective players. The same people lauding Jumbo and Marleau for being great leaders today were the same people calling them choke artists and gutless a year ago. That stuff is over way overblown...
- belcherbd

Of course they did…don't be naive. Kesler and Lou weren't getting their way and the crybabies they were eventually showed. You don't think that causes issues amongst the players in the room? Kesler walking around the Olympic village badmouthing all his Van teammates to Kane and wanting out of Van? C'mon man…be smart. Sure these guys are professionals but drama happens at every level.

you could lump TSN into every single category listed I think....
- Codes1087

then why say,

No its not TSN. It is actually every sports media outlet and everyone sports newspaper and every sports radio talkshow. It is ridiculous.
- Codes1087

when i'd already included TSN and all other media...

Huge difference for sure, regardless of the adversity they faced they still showed up and no one wanted to leave (though I wonder how much that has to do with the difference of media attention in SJ vs VAN).
I also think the attitude of those guys doesn't allow for that "country club" atmosphere to grow. Some here hate guys on that team for being a-holes, but they are competitive and are probably a-holes in a good way to their teammates to prevent complacency. As much as I love the Sedins, I cant see them calling out someone with half the impact it might have if someone like Thornton did it, hell even Marleau too
- WhiteLie

I'm sure the media had lots to do with it but you are spot on here.

I'm sure Carol will touch on it on her next blog but Elliot's 30 Thoughts has a couple Canuck items:

Tallon’s future remains a hot topic. He just returned from Russia, where there were rumours he would be leaving the Panthers to go elsewhere. Most of the speculation involves Vancouver, but the Canucks denied that. It’s unlikely these rumours will go away, though.

Czech defender Michal Kempny has some outstanding possession numbers. Buffalo, Chicago and Vancouver are among his most serious pursuers.

Kempny is 25 and put up 21 points in 59 KHL games last season. LH shot for those who are curious

Of course they did…don't be naive. Kesler and Lou weren't getting their way and the crybabies they were eventually showed. You don't think that causes issues amongst the players in the room? Kesler walking around the Olympic village badmouthing all his Van teammates to Kane and wanting out of Van? C'mon man…be smart. Sure these guys are professionals but drama happens at every level.
- LordHumungous

Weren't getting their way?

It was time for Kesler to move on and while he allegedly told David Backes that he wanted to be traded, that is a big difference than claiming he was badmouthing teammates. The only drama comes from butthurt fans speculating.

By all accounts Lou was a great teammate and member of the community in Vancouver, I'm not sure I've seen any reputable source claim he was a problem in the room. Was that a poop show for 18 months.... yes but blaming it on Luongo is naive.

Gillis (frank)ed up, Nonis pulled a fast one, Bettman changed the rules, if you want to point fingers, I suggest you start there but claiming the guy was a crybaby is asinine.

I'm sure Carol will touch on it on her next blog but Elliot's 30 Thoughts has a couple Canuck items:



Kempny is 25 and put up 21 points in 59 KHL games last season. LH shot for those who are curious
- WhiteLie

Where there is smoke, there is fire? Maybe JB wants to focus on the drafting more and or maybe the canucks want JB to focus on the drafting.

I could see them hiring someone with some more experience for the GM role

Weren't getting their way?

It was time for Kesler to move on and while he allegedly told David Backes that he wanted to be traded, that is a big difference than claiming he was badmouthing teammates. The only drama comes from butthurt fans speculating.

By all accounts Lou was a great teammate and member of the community in Vancouver, I'm not sure I've seen any reputable source claim he was a problem in the room. Was that a poop show for 18 months.... yes but blaming it on Luongo is naive.

Gillis (frank)ed up, Nonis pulled a fast one, Bettman changed the rules, if you want to point fingers, I suggest you start there but claiming the guy was a crybaby is asinine.
- belcherbd

I dont think they purposely or deliberately disrupted the room, but they did put themselves ahead of the team with their demands. Whether they were good in the room or not it is still a distraction/elephant knowing they want out, which you could argue their teammates might be unsure of their willingness to battle for them and the team. I don't blame either player for looking out for themselves and finding the right situation, but it is an interesting difference from SJ where Marleau and Thornton could have both got out after being stripped of the Captaincy but believed in the group (and management as you previously posted) to right the ship

Isn't BB committed to North Dakota for next season?
- we_are_all_canucks

Yes . Then turns pro that's why I said move Hansen at TDL

I dont think they purposely or deliberately disrupted the room, but they did put themselves ahead of the team with their demands. Whether they were good in the room or not it is still a distraction/elephant knowing they want out, which you could argue their teammates might be unsure of their willingness to battle for them and the team. I don't blame either player for looking out for themselves and finding the right situation, but it is an interesting difference from SJ where Marleau and Thornton could have both got out after being stripped of the Captaincy but believed in the group (and management as you previously posted) to right the ship
- WhiteLie

Could they of both gotten out and they decided to stick with it or did mgmt decide they weren't getting a good enough return, etc etc. I have no idea why or why not players move or don't move as it is almost always pure speculation.

There were lots of rumours of those players being shopped but apparently the players weren't willing to be traded. If Lou had refused to be traded, would he then be putting the team first?

Even going into the first round of the playoffs, most had them labeled still as chokers and bad leaders but they win a couple of series and the narrative changes.