You can't blame the injury on Lehner being lazy or Murray not having a crystal ball and seeing it coming.
So, this is a "we'll just have to wait and see" situation.
If he played the full season up to his potential, no one would care about the 21st overall pick. I do think Legwand was a favor because we had cap space to burn. A 21st overall alone should have done it.
- seedy

You can absolutely blame it on Murray. He was injured the year before and if anyone should know about his character, it's the guy that was in the same organization with him for a few years prior.

There was no way in hell anyone else was offering a 1st for that bum. Murray just doesn't care what he has to give up. It will bite him soon.

....that being said, Lehner could be pretty good

You can't blame the injury on Lehner being lazy or Murray not having a crystal ball and seeing it coming.
So, this is a "we'll just have to wait and see" situation.
If he played the full season up to his potential, no one would care about the 21st overall pick. I do think Legwand was a favor because we had cap space to burn. A 21st overall alone should have done it.
- seedy

Here is the issue with your statement: In 6 seasons, Lehner has never played more than 36 games per season. So what is his actual potential for a full season? Nobody knows. So what exactly did Murray give up a 1st round pick for? because it certainly wasnt for an established player with a good track record.

Here is the issue with your statement: In 6 seasons, Lehner has never played more than 36 games per season. So what is his actual potential for a full season? Nobody knows. So what exactly did Murray give up a 1st round pick for? because it certainly wasnt for an established player with a good track record.
- MCGUIZZY

Fwiw, Colin White is not an established player with a good track record.

By definition, what you get for a pick is potential.

(.)(.)
- cabin

Behind the bench?

Behind the bench?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Long live the note!

Fwiw, Colin White is not an established player with a good track record.

By definition, what you get for a pick is potential.
- Der Kaiser

White is 18
Lehner is 24

Big difference. You'd hope Lehner establishes himself this upcoming season

Fwiw, Colin White is not an established player with a good track record.

By definition, what you get for a pick is potential.
- Der Kaiser

This is the only thing that still gets me with this trade. I understand Colin White is a good prospect, but until he is in the league consistently, you can't say that Murray overpaid. I never would give a 1st rounder for a goalie, but he traded a pick for 2 NHL players (right, one was only for a year), but if the other guy never plays in the league then he won the trade almost regardless of what Lehners future holds.

Fwiw, Colin White is not an established player with a good track record.

By definition, what you get for a pick is potential.
- Der Kaiser

Im not sure that you are disagreeing with me. Im well aware that Colin white is not an established player. My point is, if Murray was going to trade the pick it should have been for a more established sure thing player. Not a huge question mark in Lehner

You can absolutely blame it on Murray. He was injured the year before and if anyone should know about his character, it's the guy that was in the same organization with him for a few years prior.

There was no way in hell anyone else was offering a 1st for that bum. Murray just doesn't care what he has to give up. It will bite him soon.

....that being said, Lehner could be pretty good
- sbroads24

From what I heard, he's supposed to be here in Buffalo rehabbing all offseason and getting conditioned properly, supposedly he couldn't be cause of the concussion he had prior to coming to the Sabres. So with working out everyday since mid April up until October, being an athlete to begin with, he should be in good health and good form to really dominate at the position.

He's shown flashes when he played to be the #1 guy. I really hope this works out since there is a First rounder involved in getting him.

This is the only thing that still gets me with this trade. I understand Colin White is a good prospect, but until he is in the league consistently, you can't say that Murray overpaid. I never would give a 1st rounder for a goalie, but he traded a pick for 2 NHL players (right, one was only for a year), but if the other guy never plays in the league then he won the trade almost regardless of what Lehners future holds.
- Lilroot9

Same could be said about Lehner (my point)

White is 18
Lehner is 24

Big difference. You'd hope Lehner establishes himself this upcoming season
- sbroads24

Age for a goalie is also a lot different as well though... have to take that into consideration.

This is the only thing that still gets me with this trade. I understand Colin White is a good prospect, but until he is in the league consistently, you can't say that Murray overpaid. I never would give a 1st rounder for a goalie, but he traded a pick for 2 NHL players (right, one was only for a year), but if the other guy never plays in the league then he won the trade almost regardless of what Lehners future holds.
- Lilroot9

The one thing we don't know is who Murray would have picked if he kept 21. He might of passed on White.

It's still a bad trade. The value was off. Even if Lehner turns out.

Same could be said about Lehner (my point)
- MCGUIZZY

I understand your injury comment, but he is in the NHL not AHL. He just gets injured.

Some production > no production

The one thing we don't know is who Murray would have picked if he kept 21. He might of passed on White.

It's still a bad trade. The value was off. Even if Lehner turns out.
- sbroads24

Yea that will always be a question, looking back in 3 years, I am sure there is a player taken after 21 that we "could" have had that would have been a steal, but your right, would Murray have taken that player? We will never really know.

The one thing we don't know is who Murray would have picked if he kept 21. He might of passed on White.

It's still a bad trade. The value was off. Even if Lehner turns out.
- sbroads24

So if Lehner turns into Hasek, it's a bad trade? For 21 overall who you don't even know if they ever make the NHL?

The one thing we don't know is who Murray would have picked if he kept 21. He might of passed on White.

It's still a bad trade. The value was off. Even if Lehner turns out.
- sbroads24

Whether it was White, Koneckny, Samsonov, Boeser..... All I can say is i would rather have one of those guys in my system right now (my opinion)

So if Lehner turns into Hasek, it's a bad trade? For 21 overall who you don't even know if they ever make the NHL?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Whats more likely:

Lehner turns into Hasek?

Or

White, Boeser, Konecky, etc make the NHL


hmmm

So if Lehner turns into Hasek, it's a bad trade? For 21 overall who you don't even know if they ever make the NHL?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Yea, the value of the trade is still bad on our end

We gave up a 1st and took on a cap dump.

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Yea, the value of the trade is still bad on our end

We gave up a 1st and took on a cap dump.
- sbroads24

The "cap dump" played pretty well and provided our young guys veteran leadership... I hated the throw in at first and i was 100% ok with it at the end of the year.

The "cap dump" played pretty well and provided our young guys veteran leadership... I hated the throw in at first and i was 100% ok with it at the end of the year.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Which is fine but taking Legwand was a favor to OTT

You don't volunteer fr a 4 million dollar 4th liner.

Lehner might be really good, but goalies are found everywhere. It's just another example of Murray only caring about guys he's wanted for a long time

The Lehner trade was a bad trade. I don't understand how you can sit here and say you are OK with it. At this point we need to hope he can be an above average reliable #1 goaltender for us because that's the price we payed for him and something he hasn't proven within his 6 years in the league so far.

Whats more likely:

Lehner turns into Hasek?

Or

White, Boeser, Konecky, etc make the NHL


hmmm
- MCGUIZZY

What's more likely:

Lehner plays like a number 1 goalie

Or

Any of those guys become legitimate top sixers

That's the only question that should be asked. I also don't have an answer one way or the other.

What's more likely:

Lehner plays like a number 1 goalie

Or

Any of those guys become legitimate top sixers

That's the only question that should be asked. I also don't have an answer one way or the other.
- SDSabre

Time will tell.

What's more likely:

Lehner plays like a number 1 goalie

Or

Any of those guys become legitimate top sixers

That's the only question that should be asked. I also don't have an answer one way or the other.
- SDSabre

I think both are very likely actually. Chad Johnson has played like a number 1 goalie at times as well