That defeats the purpose of the Kings making the deal. They're trying to shed salary, not take more on. Moulson's cap hit is higher than Gaborik's.
- tkecanuck341

Why would any one ever trade for Gaborik...the guys almost as glass as Lupul.



That's been going on since day 1 with him....

Why would any one ever trade for Gaborik...the guys almost as glass as Lupul.



That's been going on since day 1 with him....
- Garnie

I wouldn't even trade lupul for him

I wouldn't even trade lupul for him
- Tumbleweed

maybe

There was no market for ehroff … without another equally bad contract coming back.

Same thing will hold true for gaborik …unless lomardi figures out a way to make that contract completely disappear. He’s been pretty good at that.
- Tumbleweed

Ehrhoff is a fringe NHL talent. He was a healthy scratch for the Kings on a regular basis.

Gaborik is still a quality top-six NHL player. He was the Kings leading goal scorer in the playoffs only two seasons ago, and was nearly the Kings leading goal scorer in 2014-15, despite missing 13 games. He had a slow start to last season, but was returning to form before he had a season-ending fluke injury.

The Kings aren't trying to get rid of Gaborik because he sucks. He's one of the Kings best playmakers and goal scorers. They just can't afford him.

Ehrhoff is a fringe NHL talent. He was a healthy scratch for the Kings on a regular basis.

Gaborik is still a quality top-six NHL player. He was the Kings leading goal scorer in the playoffs only two seasons ago, and was nearly the Kings leading goal scorer in 2014-15, despite missing 13 games. He had a slow start to last season, but was returning to form before he had a season-ending fluke injury.

The Kings aren't trying to get rid of Gaborik because he sucks. He's one of the Kings best playmakers and goal scorers. They just can't afford him.
- tkecanuck341

He is coming off his worst season offensively (30 odd-point pace), hasn’t played anywhere close to a full season in 4 years (really 5 of the last 6) and is signed for 5(!!) more years.

The trade market for players like this is poop.

He is coming off his worst season offensively (30 odd-point pace), hasn’t played anywhere close to a full season in 4 years (really 5 of the last 6) and is signed for 5(!!) more years.

The trade market for players like this is poop.
- Tumbleweed

I'm not trying to make him out to be the next coming of Connor McJesus, but he's not dead space either. It's not like Dustin Brown where he's a fringe NHLer with a $6M contract. If he is healthy, he brings production. If he's not, there's LTIR relief. I'm not saying that a team should give up quality assets for him, just that there's value to be had, especially on a team that has cap room for the foreseeable future.

I really wanted Ovi to win this year...

but looks like Crosby is getting his 2nd imo
- MCharisma91

Can't win with guys like Alex and Phil

I'm not trying to make him out to be the next coming of Connor McJesus, but he's not dead space either. It's not like Dustin Brown where he's a fringe NHLer with a $6M contract. If he is healthy, he brings production. If he's not, there's LTIR relief. I'm not saying that a team should give up quality assets for him, just that there's value to be had, especially on a team that has cap room for the foreseeable future.
- tkecanuck341

I just don't see him being moved without a bad contract and/or salary rentention.

You should have some doubt

He caught the ball low and was forced to throw off-balance since he was avoiding the slide. That could be why he threw like that.

There's a decent chance he was trying to peg him given how he reacted after the fact but yeah.
- daeth

He doesn't have the ability to see the future. He didn't know bautista was going to slide that hard.

Like you said. The feed was low. Therefore the arm to throw the ball had to be low.

He wasn't trying to hit bautista

"(Matthews has) elite hockey sense. Big body. Elite drive train. Smart guy. Comes from a good family. He's a pretty special player." Sounds like Batman

"(Matthews has) elite hockey sense. Big body. Elite drive train. Smart guy. Comes from a good family. He's a pretty special player." Sounds like Batman
- bmoney411

Hes terrible.

I hope the Leafs are able to package the 1st round pick they got from Pittsburgh with a 2nd and 3rd round pick and move up into the top 10 to get a decent Dman. Or stand pat and draft the best player available. Not keen on them trading down though.
- ErectileReptile

Let say the Leafs have the 8th pick.
Would you trade it to get the 27th, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick? Would you actually make that deal?

Yeah... exactly what I thought.

He doesn't have the ability to see the future. He didn't know bautista was going to slide that hard.

Like you said. The feed was low. Therefore the arm to throw the ball had to be low.

He wasn't trying to hit bautista
- Cherry--Skoal

hows your boy martin doin?

batting a deadly .188 with 0 hr..

second best in the league

Let say the Leafs have the 8th pick.
Would you trade it to get the 27th, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick? Would you actually make that deal?

Yeah... exactly what I thought.
- fidopro

definitely a little light, but i don't think it's that far off value.

teams normally don't drop 20 places, so i'd be surprised at a deal like that. also would surprise me to see the leafs trade up. i'm in the trade down camp.

i don't think it's that far off value.

teams normally don't drop 20 places, so i'd be surprised at a deal like that. also would surprise me to see the leafs trade up. i'm in the trade down camp.
- Tumbleweed

down from 27-30th?

why? just draft with the picks you have.. keep bolstering the ranks. Time is on their side with this rebuild.

down from 27-30th?

why? just draft with the picks you have.. keep bolstering the ranks. Time is on their side with this rebuild.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It depends... take the guy that you want to take, but if you can drop back a few and get another pick, then do it.... the folks there seem to be pretty open about what they're going to do (see the Burke/Murray exchange )...

From all accounts, that's what happened last year: The Leafs wanted Dermott at 24... figured out that he was on nobodies radar there and dropped back picking up Dzierkals and Bracco in the bargain

Also, picks in the 27-35 range are all relatively equal anyway, with any difference being offset by the addition of say an additional third rounder.

How did that turn out yesterday?

That was a weird little thread we had going - even for Hockeybuzz.
- Atomic Wedgie

Damn what did I miss. I saw a whole page deleted but I don't know what happened.

Damn what did I miss. I saw a whole page deleted but I don't know what happened.
- Aetherial

Lums and the bird got owned by a pizza guy named mario

yeah.

leafs can't be taking on long-term dead money. kinda silly to think we could be a dumping ground for that.
- Tumbleweed

If they're willing to take on long term dead money, they might as well invest that cash on Stamkos. I'd prefer that they keep their checkbook in their pocket for the next 4 years.

It depends... take the guy that you want to take, but if you can drop back a few and get another pick, then do it.... the folks there seem to be pretty open about what they're going to do (see the Burke/Murray exchange )...

From all accounts, that's what happened last year: The Leafs wanted Dermott at 24... figured out that he was on nobodies radar there and dropped back picking up Dzierkals and Bracco in the bargain

Also, picks in the 27-35 range are all relatively equal anyway, with any difference being offset by the addition of say an additional third rounder.
- lumlums

meh..

just gonna let Hunter and Lou do their thing..

not really much reason to speculate on it.. don't they have the 31st pick too?

It depends... take the guy that you want to take, but if you can drop back a few and get another pick, then do it.... the folks there seem to be pretty open about what they're going to do (see the Burke/Murray exchange )...

From all accounts, that's what happened last year: The Leafs wanted Dermott at 24... figured out that he was on nobodies radar there and dropped back picking up Dzierkals and Bracco in the bargain

Also, picks in the 27-35 range are all relatively equal anyway, with any difference being offset by the addition of say an additional third rounder.
- lumlums

To me, dermott + bracco + dzierkals > konenecy.

Opportunities to trade down like that should be there every draft year.

Trading down will ensure we have plenty in the pipeline when we trade other picks/prospects for current nhl players

To me, dermott + bracco + dzierkals > konenecy.

Opportunities to trade down like that should be there every draft year.

Trading down will ensure we have plenty in the pipeline when we trade other picks/prospects for current nhl players
- Tumbleweed

I might tend to agree with that, but they already have almost an entire 2nd draft, with the picks that they've already acquired. You can only send so many to your AHL club, going forward. There will be a time when you'll max out your full 50 pro contracts and have to let players go. Since the Leafs have extra picks, in all of the next 3 drafts, plus a wealth of talented, but smaller wingers on the Marlies, maybe it's time to start enhancing their second pick, in the first round.

Lums and the bird got owned by a pizza guy named mario
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Yeah, okay, bud.

Leafs will most likely use the Pittsburg pick to either move np back into the second round like they did last year, or use it to shed some bad salary like lupul or robidas, and collect additional mid round picks in the process.

Let say the Leafs have the 8th pick.
Would you trade it to get the 27th, a 2nd and a 3rd round pick? Would you actually make that deal?

Yeah... exactly what I thought.
- fidopro

the second is #31.. so 27-30,31 and 61 for #8 isn't too crazy.