- winsix

What?

Do you think Bozak and a mid round pick are worth Andersen and Vatanen? If so then right back at you.

It's true though. You're not a good leader unless you win a cup apparently.

It's a team sport, an individual can't leadership his way to a cup. It's so dumb. Toews is apparently a leadership god but put him on the Leafs and he'd just be a chump.
- daeth

And you can't assess someone's leadership without experiencing it first-hand, so therein lies the catch 22 for internet commenters who make these claims.

It's also like when people say an NHL player is terrible - the worst NHL player on his worst day would dangle you and your entire men's league, so...all relative I guess.

Apparently Messier is the single greatest leader of all time.

First four cups Gretzky was captain.

5th cup he was still on a stacked team of HHOFs.

Absolutely flamed out in Vancouver - the fans have never forgiven them.

But then in New York he guaranteed a win - so he's the best leader of all time.

I love the logic.
- Atomic Wedgie

Reporter: Hey Messier, do you think your team has a shot at winning the series?

Messier: Yes.

Holy poop guys, he guaranteed a win and actually won! What a captain!

Deservedly so. (frank) Crosby!
- Phenom

Look at Ovechkin this year. He outplayed Crosby by a large margin in that series but Crosby outleadershipped him and won the series somehow. What a leader! What a captain!
- daeth

The stats are undeniable.

In the series:

Crosby: 48.2 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Ovechkin: 34.8 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Stats don't lie.

I was going to put Svechnikov, but he's more obscure.
- AdamFrench

Isn't he the Detroit pick in 2015? Or is this a different one, that only a Commie would know?

or because centers are more valuable. Matthews >>>>>> Laine
- matt1337

Oh I've gone so far off topic that Matthews and Laine aren't even relevant anymore, sorry.

I watched Thornton play with the Soo Greyhounds along with Rico Fata and Tim Jackman...Thornton controlled the play and the setups even back then
- jimi james

I'm sure he did, which is why he went #1 overall I assume.

The stats are undeniable.

In the series:

Crosby: 48.2 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Ovechkin: 34.8 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Stats don't lie.
- Atomic Wedgie

But what about the Stalin Fear Factor quotient?

And you can't assess someone's leadership without experiencing it first-hand, so therein lies the catch 22 for internet commenters who make these claims.

It's also like when people say an NHL player is terrible - the worst NHL player on his worst day would dangle you and your entire men's league, so...all relative I guess.
- Deeps27

so colton orr or frazer mclaren would dangle everyone?

Look at Ovechkin this year. He outplayed Crosby by a large margin in that series but Crosby outleadershipped him and won the series somehow. What a leader! What a captain!
- daeth

Its so true.

Listened to Mcguire this morning, his response to why the Pens lost game 1 .. They lost thier identity

I guess that type of analysis appeals to many.. but I just see it as basically answering the questions with.. I dont know

The stats are undeniable.

In the series:

Crosby: 48.2 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Ovechkin: 34.8 Churchill leadership points/60 minutes

Stats don't lie.
- Atomic Wedgie

Damn those are some low Churchill numbers for Ovechkin. That almost drops him to a Thatcher rating. Quite damning evidence.

Isn't he the Detroit pick in 2015? Or is this a different one, that only a Commie would know?
- Steven_Seagull

His younger brother is looking like the best Russian since Yakupov.








I...well...er...poop.

But what about the Stalin Fear Factor quotient?
- RickJames77

I thought the Stalin stats show how successful your defence is at digging in and preventing the other team to advance over the ice to invade your crease?

Oh I've gone so far off topic that Matthews and Laine aren't even relevant anymore, sorry.
- daeth

nope it's still relevant. #1 center vs #1 winger, same argument

I'm really ranting here guys, someone calm me down asap
- daeth

reminds me of the Dangle rant video on leadership

keep going

so colton orr or frazer mclaren would dangle everyone?
- matt1337

Yes.

I thought the Stalin stats show how successful your defence is at digging in and preventing the other team to advance over the ice to invade your crease?
- Atomic Wedgie

That's the Zhukov Spectrum.

His younger brother is looking like the best Russian since Yakupov.



I...well...er...poop.
- AdamFrench

What about Linden? Considered a great leader, but won jack poop because the Ca-Nucks (frank)ing Su-Nucks.

*holds for applause*
- Steven_Seagull

*Frees up tangled tumbleweed and moves on.*

I thought the Stalin stats show how successful your defence is at digging in and preventing the other team to advance over the ice to invade your crease?
- Atomic Wedgie

Oh right. And if you don't hold your line your own team beats the (frank) out of you. How could I forget that

Its so true.

Listened to Mcguire this morning, his response to why the Pens lost game 1 .. They lost thier identity

I guess that type of analysis appeals to many.. but I just see it as basically answering the questions with.. I dont know
- senstroll

Shame on Ovechkin for not making Backstrom and Kuznetsov stop poopting the bed through the power of his leadership abilities I guess.

Yes.
- Atomic Wedgie

i'll take that bet

Levin? The kid in Sudbury? Yeah, I can see the Leafs getting another high pick in 2018.


....Colton Orr....
- Steven_Seagull

Kurt Walker



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRi6Gc3BOGA

Trade everyone..Just for the sake of making trades...
- Fruitcakenipple

leafs 2017 7th for oilers 2017 7th