Yak is not a sizable trade imo.
He is surplus to needs, has not developed as hoped and is largely a 3rd line player with 2nd line potential (regardless of where he was drafted).

I think Edm has the top 6 sorted, and needs some role players or utility players.
Hansen has more value at the moment than Yak, although Yak is considerably younger. Adding Biega and a 2nd is to offset the potential that Yak has, but at this stage, it is just potential.
- dbot

and the point remains that edm's greatest need is at d. if they are going to make a trade, they are not looking to add a complementary top 9 player and a player whose "potential" is even worse than the player they are giving up. if they are getting a roster player, i would think that they would need a dman considering that their top 2 lines will be eating up a lot of minutes.

at the very least, a former number 1 is going to garner interest from several suitors. if i were to bet, i'd say that another team has better assets that cover edm's needs in a trade.

2017 is considered an especially weak draft year...2018 will be deep they say.

You can bet it'll be a 2017 2nd. We are better off letting it go in trade since it holds more value being an unknown year than if it were 2017. Being a free pick too I dont mind trading it for assets
- SMBDragon

They say that every year that there is no number 1 "generational talent"

They say that every year that there is no number 1 "generational talent"
- Codes1087

so very true and trying to project how 16 years olds will develop over the next 14 months is laughable.

They say that every year that there is no number 1 "generational talent"
- Codes1087

Im referring to the columbus 2nd rounder....

and the point remains that edm's greatest need is at d. if they are going to make a trade, they are not looking to add a complementary top 9 player and a player whose "potential" is even worse than the player they are giving up. if they are getting a roster player, i would think that they would need a dman considering that their top 2 lines will be eating up a lot of minutes.

at the very least, a former number 1 is going to garner interest from several suitors. if i were to bet, i'd say that another team has better assets that cover edm's needs in a trade.
- RealityChecker

Thats the issue for sure. I only suggested including Hansen because he is likely the most valuable trade chip the Canucks have to offer at this time. The Canucks could afford to give up a D in the deal, as Edmonton's situation is different and on the upswing (aka looking to add), while Vancouver still should be acquiring all top young talent they can grab, but I doubt a fit would be there

I also think teams will look at Yakupov in a similar way as Drouin: highly talented and likely poorly utilized. and will try to steal him on a buy-low situation.

so very true and trying to project how 16 years olds will develop over the next 14 months is laughable.
- RealityChecker

valid point....how they are projecting these young players 3 drafts from now is puzzling

Im referring to the columbus 2nd rounder....
- SMBDragon

but that is exactly what I am saying. The whole draft is labeled "bust" or "weak" if there is no projected generational player eligible which is complete crap. How are these projections even possible with a whole entire season still to be played. There are going to be good players available at every draft and I think its a bad idea to write off picks based on projections. A high 2nd round pick is worth a ton, regardless of how these "scouts" view the entire draft a year before eligibility.

Thats the issue for sure. I only suggested including Hansen because he is likely the most valuable trade chip the Canucks have to offer at this time. The Canucks could afford to give up a D in the deal, as Edmonton is on the upswing and looking to add, while Vancouver still should be acquiring all top young talent they can grab, but I doubt a fit would be there

I also think teams will look at Yakupov in a similar way as Drouin: highly talented and likely poorly utilized. and will try to steal him on a buy-low situation.
- WhiteLie

i totally understand the thinking. i'd like to roll the dice on yak as well. i think it's poor usage and perhaps a personality conflict with past coaching (similar to drouin/cooper).

i'm not sure i'm as high on hansen's value as some here though. he had a great season and has a great contract. he's a bottom 6 guy who will chip in 15 goals. that's not bad but not exactly a piece i'd be stoked about if i was on the other side of the trade if i was an edm fan. the 20+ goals he got this year come with an asterisk. we all know this.

i think a hansen trade should definitely be explored though. his value is at its peak and i'm sure a contender looking to solidify their bottom 6 would consider giving up a decent pick or prospect for him. 2 more years at a great cap hit should be valuable to a cap tight contender.

I doubt theyd trade him to a rival for that....

I also have reservations about any player from such a troubled team
- SMBDragon

Any player?

Any player?
- Canada Cup

yup.

the canucks don't pick up players from loser organizations. as a franchise that has had nothing but success and brilliant management/coaching, we understand that once a player has played for a bad organization, he is forever tarnished.

so yup, once you draft matthews and he has that leafs' stench on him, we say good riddance to him.

good day sir... i said good day!

i totally understand the thinking. i'd like to roll the dice on yak as well. i think it's poor usage and perhaps a personality conflict with past coaching (similar to drouin/cooper).

i'm not sure i'm as high on hansen's value as some here though. he had a great season and has a great contract. he's a bottom 6 guy who will chip in 15 goals. that's not bad but not exactly a piece i'd be stoked about if i was on the other side of the trade if i was an edm fan. the 20+ goals he got this year come with an asterisk. we all know this.

i think a hansen trade should definitely be explored though. his value is at its peak and i'm sure a contender looking to solidify their bottom 6 would consider giving up a decent pick or prospect for him. 2 more years at a great cap hit should be valuable to a cap tight contender.
- RealityChecker

I'm not a Hansen fan either, I share the same idea that he should have an asterisk by it. Though to be fair, his goals were (almost) all 5 on 5 with a lot that were generated on his own from the rush or by his speed. I dont like him in a top 6 role, but I do hope there are teams in the league that see him as versatile with a good work ethic and want to have him on their team. He can step up in top 6 and is an effective checker and PKer in the bottom 6 on an ideal contract for a couple more years. If Edmonton is serious about becoming a contender in the next couple years, they need better forward depth like him but as we previously agreed if Yak can get a decent NHL defenseman, that should be their priority

yup.

the canucks don't pick up players from loser organizations. as a franchise that has had nothing but success and brilliant management/coaching, we understand that once a player has played for a bad organization, he is forever tarnished.

so yup, once you draft matthews and he has that leafs' stench on him, we say good riddance to him.

good day sir... i said good day!
- RealityChecker

Flagged for calling him sir.

Hansen, Biega and Van's 2nd for Yak and a 4th.
Probably more fair (from Edm's pov)
- dbot

We could likely get a 1st for Hansen. I wouldn't trade a 1st and 2nd pick for Yak

Tanev straight across. one for one.
- kaptaan

that would cost Benning his job

yup.

the canucks don't pick up players from loser organizations. as a franchise that has had nothing but success and brilliant management/coaching, we understand that once a player has played for a bad organization, he is forever tarnished.

so yup, once you draft matthews and he has that leafs' stench on him, we say good riddance to him.

good day sir... i said good day!
- RealityChecker

Matthews I get since he is likely only the 4th or 5th best player in the draft (after the Leafs pick him st least). But that McDavid kid still might have something to offer.

Matthews I get since he is likely only the 4th or 5th best player in the draft (after the Leafs pick him st least). But that McDavid kid still might have something to offer.
- Canada Cup

who? that connor mcjesus guy? kid's soft. only a matter of time until he gets nailed to the boards.

Matthews I get since he is likely only the 4th or 5th best player in the draft (after the Leafs pick him st least). But that McDavid kid still might have something to offer.
- Canada Cup

Too small for the big nasty Western conference. Proved it last year getting hurt, dont need any injury prone kid coming in, he just wont survive

Matthews I get since he is likely only the 4th or 5th best player in the draft (after the Leafs pick him st least). But that McDavid kid still might have something to offer.
- Canada Cup

League leader in points next season.

Too small for the big nasty Western conference. Proved it last year getting hurt, dont need any injury prone kid coming in, he just wont survive
- WhiteLie

On what basis do you consider McDavid to be injury prone? he has only had the one injury which was the inevitable result of both circumstance and a very hard hit( McDavid was already thrown off-balance by the two defenders before there was contact into the boards head first (any player who received such a similar hit would have also been injured, maybe to a worse extent - the kid actually picked up his stick after he got up for gawd sakes!). I would have no problem having faith in the kid's continued development and future injury-free campaigns.

If there isn't any true number 1 D and we aren't going to get one of the top 3 game changer picks. Trade down.

If there isn't any true number 1 D and we aren't going to get one of the top 3 game changer picks. Trade down.
- manvanfan

I think Tkachuk or Dubois change things for us. With Boeser we have a set future top line. If we could get Tkachuk and somehow trade to get either Brown or Jost(dream world here) I think we would have a great top 6 in the future.

Who's this guy

On what basis do you consider McDavid to be injury prone? he has only had the one injury which was the inevitable result of both circumstance and a very hard hit( McDavid was already thrown off-balance by the two defenders before there was contact into the boards head first (any player who received such a similar hit would have also been injured, maybe to a worse extent - the kid actually picked up his stick after he got up for gawd sakes!). I would have no problem having faith in the kid's continued development and future injury-free campaigns.
- Zogg

Who's this guy
- manvanfan

What guy? this guy? that guy?

What guy? this guy? that guy?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Canucks new protest Pavel Leplante? Sounds like a fighter. On Rypiens birthday?