yes kinggilmour is back!

you heard it here first; Jim Bedard former goalie coach of the detroit red wings will be the Yotes new goalie coach...100% guaranteed.

when you only poll Toronto Viewers how do you think that will work out?

go poop in your hand
- Ross77

Is that how tv ratings work?

It's odd a billion dollar business would operate with such stupid metrics.

They should hire you, Ross77. I'm sure you would do a better job.

Is that how tv ratings work?

It's odd a billion dollar business would operate with such stupid metrics.

They should hire you, Ross77. I'm sure you would do a better job.
- Atomic Wedgie

Pretty sure we all understand it. The Leafs are like Justin Beiber. Non Beiber fans wouldn't hate him so much if they could escape him.

well - here's the newsflash.

there's probably 70% of the leaguewide fan base of non Edmonton and non Dallas fans who would pick Seguin.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Seguin>Hall

Seguin>Hall
- KINGS67

Lol

hahahahaha, are you clueless? I never said games. If you live in Western Canada and want to watch sports highlites its TSN or Sportsnet and they will spend 60% of the time talking Leafs, 20% of the other Canadian teams and 20% on the rest of the NHL. This isn't whinning this is fact!! get out of your Toronot bubble once in a while
- Ross77

Are you for real? They don't tailor their shows by province their is one sports center for all of Canada. It's not "in western Canada".


You're not whining? But you're complaining about the coverage you receive? Sounds like whining to me. They show what people want to see.

when you only poll Toronto Viewers how do you think that will work out?

go poop in your hand
- Ross77

It's so ironic you called me clueless and you post this?

when you only poll Toronto Viewers how do you think that will work out?

go poop in your hand
- Ross77

once again ... newsflash.

you say "Toronto Viewers"... have you ever wondered why regardless of city there are always a substantial amount of Leaf jerseys in the crowd...

b e c a u s e t h e r e L e a f f a n s E V E R Y W H E R E .

once again ... newsflash.

you say "Toronto Viewers"... have you ever wondered why regardless of city there are always a substantial amount of Leaf jerseys in the crowd...

b e c a u s e t h e r e L e a f f a n s E V E R Y W H E R E .
- BorjeFan4Ever

No doubt, every strong Hockey Market outside the Original 6 has Original 6 fans. It's a generational thing passed down from Grandpa.

I've been of the opinion for months that Laine is the better player. Matthews however plays center, if you don't have a true number 1 center, like Torono, he's the better choice. If you do though, Laine is fantastic. I was hoping for a top 2 for my team as I really wanted Laine, but that didn't happen.
- Kalahad

It's a consideration based on what your team needs. It seems as though Laine is a higher offensive talent whereas Matthews is a force all over the ice as well as a leader.

It's a consideration based on what your team needs. It seems as though Laine is a higher offensive talent whereas Matthews is a force all over the ice as well as a leader.
- willschulme

No doubt. If Edmonton had the pick they ( should actually trade the mother(frank)er) would take Laine.

No doubt. If Edmonton had the pick they ( should actually trade the mother(frank)er) would take Laine.
- Jeropotato

Yeah because you have McDavid. Perfect example of where you would take Laine first overall.

Yeah because you have McDavid. Perfect example of where you would take Laine first overall.
- willschulme

No poop Sherlock. Why would Edmonton take Mathews when we have Draisaitl and Nuge ? We need an upgrade on that poopty ass Yakupov.

Leafs should take Mathews

You're just trolling all the Oilers fans but I'll try not to get too defensive, but who exactly are you talking about?
Hall is an Elite NHL left winger.
Eberle is a top 5 scoring RW over the 5 years.
Draisaitl got over 50 points as a sophomore.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins has not become that PPG player we thought he would. But he's STill progressing ahead of Daniel Sedin at his age, which is kinda who I see Nuge eventually developing into. But yes, offensively, he hasn't been spectacular at all.

Yak is an absolute bust.

We need D to stop goals against, and to transition the puck to the O Zone.
- Jeropotato

I am a total Oliers fan(Edmontonian). IMO the Oilers have toally underachieved. They should nowhere near be as bad as they are with what they have right now.

Why did so many sports writers project big things of Edm but now only Tanner is not gun shy to stick with it LOL (I am not a beleiver like James LOL)

This team is so dysfunctional its almost comical.

If Yak is a bust, I'd pin it 90% on management's fault. This team couldn't develop a player if their life depended on it.

I don't think they're drafting has hurt them as much as their development of players. (top line - LW-21yrs old, Center-20yrs,RW-22yrs) insanity, almost no support from below.
And we wonder why this team has struggled.
You put Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak on any other team and they are a better player.

I am a total Oliers fan(Edmontonian). IMO the Oilers have toally underachieved. They should nowhere near be as bad as they are with what they have right now.

Why did so many sports writers project big things of Edm but now only Tanner is not gun shy to stick with it LOL (I am not a beleiver like James LOL)

This team is so dysfunctional its almost comical.

If Yak is a bust, I'd pin it 90% on management's fault. This team couldn't develop a player if their life depended on it.

I don't think they're drafting has hurt them as much as their development of players. (top line - LW-21yrs old, Center-20yrs,RW-22yrs) insanity, almost no support from below.


And we wonder why this team has struggled.
You put Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak on any other team and they are a better player.
- ifiwasgm

And in my opinion there wasn't a great improvement under Mclellan (barely beat 30th)
Mclellan had a very good record, coaching a very great team. (not saying he is no good, just was never sold that he was very good)

I am a total Oliers fan(Edmontonian). IMO the Oilers have toally underachieved. They should nowhere near be as bad as they are with what they have right now.

"Why did so many sports writers project big things of Edm but now only Tanner is not gun shy to stick with it LOL (I am not a beleiver like James LOL)"

Because they've been the sexy pick for a few years now. And that's what the media tries to do. Sell copy. Their continued choosing (especially early on) showed a fundamental misunderstanding of the oilers deficiencies. And those same boneheads with little clue of the oilers even unfairly got passed on to oiler fans as if we were all so optimistic as they were. The media choosing the oilers means absolutely nothing.

"This team is so dysfunctional its almost comical."

Well, I certainly think they weren't given enough insulation from tamebellinis mngmt group from the beginning and just thrown to the wolves. And thus the losing snowballed and has resulted in a very fragile confidence

"If Yak is a bust, I'd pin it 90% on management's fault. This team couldn't develop a player if their life depended on it."

Hall is elite.
Eberle is one of the most prolific right winger scorers over the last half decade.
Klefbom looks like a beaut.
Etc etc

So yeah, no

"I don't think they're drafting has hurt them as much as their development of players. (top line - LW-21yrs old, Center-20yrs,RW-22yrs) insanity, almost no support from below.
And we wonder why this team has struggled."

Not really. It's a combination of a few things
.
"You put Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak on any other team and they are a better player."

Nuge surrounded with more size from the get go, maybe. But even him, he's run into some unlucky injuries. But maybe him yeah

Halls already a possession driving elite winger who's been top ten in scoring multiple times. He's already in Tavares/seguins elite class in everything but media hype. But he doesn't get it #Causeoilers

Eberle is what he is. A high talented pure snipe secondary scorer. He's actually pretty typical of those types around the league. Unconscious for awhile. Then cold for a stretch. Maybe a little less defensively responsible than we'd like, but again, it's pretty typical of those one dimensional scorers. He scores more than 56 per year elsewhere? No. That's star 1st line winger numbers

Yaks lack of hockey iq is not the oilers fault. It's his. Dynamic talent, but his feet and hands are often too much for his head. But he's not a bust yet anyway.

I don't agree with much of what you've said here. Maybe the dysfunctional part I guess. But it's not as simple as u suggest
- ifiwasgm

I am a total Oliers fan(Edmontonian). IMO the Oilers have toally underachieved. They should nowhere near be as bad as they are with what they have right now.

"Why did so many sports writers project big things of Edm but now only Tanner is not gun shy to stick with it LOL (I am not a beleiver like James LOL)"

Because they've been the sexy pick for a few years now. And that's what the media tries to do. Sell copy. Their continued choosing (especially early on) showed a fundamental misunderstanding of the oilers deficiencies. And those same boneheads with little clue of the oilers even unfairly got passed on to oiler fans as if we were all so optimistic as they were. The media choosing the oilers means absolutely nothing.

"This team is so dysfunctional its almost comical."

Well, I certainly think they weren't given enough insulation from tamebellinis mngmt group from the beginning and just thrown to the wolves. And thus the losing snowballed and has resulted in a very fragile confidence

"If Yak is a bust, I'd pin it 90% on management's fault. This team couldn't develop a player if their life depended on it."

Hall is elite.
Eberle is one of the most prolific right winger scorers over the last half decade.
Klefbom looks like a beaut.
Etc etc

So yeah, no

"I don't think they're drafting has hurt them as much as their development of players. (top line - LW-21yrs old, Center-20yrs,RW-22yrs) insanity, almost no support from below.
And we wonder why this team has struggled."

Not really. It's a combination of a few things
.
"You put Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak on any other team and they are a better player."

Nuge surrounded with more size from the get go, maybe. But even him, he's run into some unlucky injuries. But maybe him yeah

Halls already a possession driving elite winger who's been top ten in scoring multiple times. He's already in Tavares/seguin a elite class in everything but media hype. But he doesn't get it #Causeoilers

Eberle is what he is. A high talented pure snipe secondary scorer. He's actually pretty typical of those types around the league. Unconscious for awhile. Then cold for a stretch. Maybe a little less defensively responsible than we'd like, but again, it's pretty typical of those one dimensional scorers

Yaks lack of hockey iq is not the oilers fault. It's his. Dynamic talent, but his feet and hands are often too much for his head. But he's not a bust yet anyway.

I don't agree with much of what you've said here. Maybe the dysfunctional part I guess. But it's as simple as u suggest
- ifiwasgm
[quote=HB77]

Still battling for 30th

Still battling for 30th
- ifiwasgm

Well, you got this part right anyway


I think this reply with it's obvious reference to "simple effect must equal simple cause", is fairly indicative of how so many see the oilers and the easy answers they crave.

But it's not your fault. It's easy to buy what everyone on tv or with a column tells you cause they've convinced you they're experts

I get it bro

Still battling for 30th
- ifiwasgm

Hall is elite because he is elite, Ebs scores goals because he is a goal scorer, not because of their development.
Get out of the 1st round and see what they have developed.

Yak has been jerked around by 2 coachs in his developmental years (which was not the case with the others).
Yak needed stability and never got it (well he did a little and was succeeding)(as with Roy and after he got settled with McDavid, he didn't play well with McD at first)
Yes I will totally agree that Yak doesn't have the internal fortitude of Hall or RNH but that didn't have to be his down fall. He can still be salvaged in a right situation.

Hall is elite because he is elite, Ebs scores goals because he is a goal scorer, not because of their development.
Get out of the 1st round and see what they have developed.

Yak has been jerked around by 2 coachs in his developmental years (which was not the case with the others).
Yak needed stability and never got it (well he did a little and was succeeding)(as with Roy and after he got settled with McDavid, he didn't play well with McD at first)
Yes I will totally agree that Yak doesn't have the internal fortitude of Hall or RNH but that didn't have to be his down fall. He can still be salvaged in a right situation.
- ifiwasgm

So the good players turned into good players on their own, but the guys who haven't met expectations are the organizations fault?
Pretty convenient for your argument id say. It's win win

Yaks wasn't jerked around. He was played behind superior players who were statistically better players.
You can blame that on whatever you like, and we can debate that. but the only fact is seasons of 24 pts, 33 pts and 23 pts.
Forgetting how lost is he appears out there far too often, the guy who put up those totals doesn't get my benefit of the doubt either. Nor does he get played over too many other players

I think yaks could even still be salvaged in edm I think. the talent is there, and he works hard. but he'll Need to work on his shot and keep his game much simpler because he doesn't have much hockey iq. (incidentally, even his supposed amazing shot really isn't all that great)

I am a total Oliers fan(Edmontonian). IMO the Oilers have toally underachieved. They should nowhere near be as bad as they are with what they have right now.

Why did so many sports writers project big things of Edm but now only Tanner is not gun shy to stick with it LOL (I am not a beleiver like James LOL)

This team is so dysfunctional its almost comical.

If Yak is a bust, I'd pin it 90% on management's fault. This team couldn't develop a player if their life depended on it.

I don't think they're drafting has hurt them as much as their development of players. (top line - LW-21yrs old, Center-20yrs,RW-22yrs) insanity, almost no support from below.
And we wonder why this team has struggled.
You put Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yak on any other team and they are a better player.
- ifiwasgm

Get stuffed. Yak is stupid. Zero hockey sense and not as naturally gifted as anyone thought. His one timer couldn't hit the broad side of Richard Cloutier's ass. Can't fix stupid.

Hall is exactly what we wanted. Developed fine. He may not be the personality we want, but you can't coach that either.

Ebs has developed fine. Top 5 scoring RW over the past 5 years and drafted at 22.

RNH is the only one in my mind that has t developed into the scorer we wanted, but his 2wAy play is better than expected.

Development has been fine, they haven't put a TEAM of veterans and defenders around them .

So the good players turned into good players on their own, but the guys who haven't met expectations are the organizations fault?
Pretty convenient for your argument id say. It's win win

Yaks wasn't jerked around. He was played behind superior players who were statistically better players.
You can blame that on whatever you like, and we can debate that. but the only fact is seasons of 24 pts, 33 pts and 23 pts.
Forgetting how lost is he appears out there far too often, the guy who put up those totals doesn't get my benefit of the doubt either. Nor does he get played over too many other players

I think yaks could even still be salvaged in edm I think. the talent is there, and he works hard. but he'll Need to work on his shot and keep his game much simpler because he doesn't have much hockey iq. (incidentally, even his supposed amazing shot really isn't all that great)
- HB77

Yak is poop. Doesn't have what it takes to be anything other than a fringe NHL. Maybe a decent 2nd line winger on a stacked team.

No poop Sherlock. Why would Edmonton take Mathews when we have Draisaitl and Nuge ? We need an upgrade on that poopty ass Yakupov.

Leafs should take Mathews
- Jeropotato

Unnecessary salt

Unnecessary salt
- willschulme

Yeah, I have high blood pressure .