yup.

Seguin - Center.
Hall - Winger.

Seguin - should have gone first.

fast forward for the simpletons in the audience

Matthews - Center
Laine - Winger


do the math
- BorjeFan4Ever

Seguin doesn't play center in Dallas, FYI.

Did you just call Jussi Jokinen spectacular?
- Jeropotato

No, I didn't. I simply stated that Matthews isn't playing with anything great. He is centring the 3rd line. While Laine plays on the 2nd line, with NHL players. As for Jussi Jokinen recorded 60 points this season. He is a solid NHL player....and Laine , playing with he and Barkov is a much better situation that Matthews playing with Jordan Schroeder and Frank Vatrano.

I actually like what the Leafs are doing, but the comments about how you guys have the best management Team in the NHL is a bit hard to listen to.
- Jeropotato

Agreed. However in our defense, after the management we've had for the last decade it does feel like we are being led by Jesus, Moses, John Lennon, Daryl from the walking dead and Batman

If Laine keeps going at the pace he is going, if Finland wins the gold led by Laine, the choice will become hard
- spatso

Nobody is beating Canada in this tournament. Even Russia with their Ovy and Kuznuts don't stand a chance. The worlds is a waste of time. Seems like there are maybe 3 hockey teams.

Who cares if Laine puts up a bunch of points against (frank)ing Belarus. It's an NHLer playing against 10 year old girls.

And for Matthews - well, he's playing a team of no nothings. How many useless yanks does it take to change a lightbulb? I don't know 19 of 20 players on the USA world team.

You have never, ever heard me toot Chia's horn.

I never said the Oilers ( or any other Canadian team) had a better management team either.

So what makes Torontos management team the best? The best part I can see is Lou Lam , because he proved it over and over.
- Jeropotato

what matters to Leaf fans... that they are happy for the moment with what has been a pretty much flawless performance over the past 12-15 months...

honestly no one cares what other fanbases think of the Leafs management team - nor should they.

could they make a mistake - sure - inevitably they will.

if you are looking for a measuring stick - simply take the past 12-15 months- compare any management team with what ShanaLouCock have achieved.. no one comes close.
i) yes - team finished last - which has turned out to have massive upside (#1 pick)
ii) got rid any long term anchor contract
iii) re-vamp entire prospect pool (some of that was the picks made by previous regime)
iv) dumped FAs at trade deadline


name one other management that even comes close...

T H I S E X A C T L Y.

If Columbus (just as an example) had won the lottery... there wouldn't be any question about who the superior player is based on the observation that the Leafs would have to take the consensus 2nd.

even then - they'd be debating if the Leafs should take Laine or Puljavri

I'm really extremely happy that the Jets get the 2nd pick.. and that the OBVIOUSLY best young talent is not going to somewhere like Vancouver or Montreal or heaven forbid Buffalo.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I'd piss my pants hearing people's opinion on Laine should we draft him.

Bust.

Seguin doesn't play center in Dallas, FYI.
- Jeropotato

congrats.. he was drafted as a center and was listed as one coming out of junior - AND THAT is what we are talking about here.

jero deflection -> zero points.

Nail aka healthy scrathapov ain't poop. The best player of that draft is Morgan Rielly. Burke was talking poop when he said he would've taken him with the first overall pick - but it would have been the right choice.
- Njuice

and now you have done it...

we're now going to hear two hours of Hab fans tooting Galchenyuk's horn

I actually like what the Leafs are doing, but the comments about how you guys have the best management Team in the NHL is a bit hard to listen to.
- Jeropotato

But it is completely accurate. I mean Leafs being rich helps. But seriously - the trades we've made are gold. Moving CLarkson's contract to pay a man $40 million dollars not to play and not to count against the cap is GOLD jerry. GOLD!

The B rated prospects we've acquired are suddenly showing up as A rated prospects. Connor Carrick and a late pick from Washington? Connor Carrick was nothing to nobody but holy poop is he ever a good player. He'll be on the Leafs blueline for years.

Some of these prospects won't pan out - but if you have 20 good prospects and 5 work out. That's 5 great players.

I'd piss my pants hearing people's opinion on Laine should we draft him.

Bust.
- walshyleafsfan

exactly. media spin meisters... trying to create suspense/intrigue WHERE THERE IS none.

Nail aka healthy scrathapov ain't poop. The best player of that draft is Morgan Rielly. Burke was talking poop when he said he would've taken him with the first overall pick - but it would have been the right choice.
- Njuice

Yeah I was referring to someone saying usually the top 2 or 3 of each draft are always the top end talent of the draft and usually step in right away. That's what I was trying to say is that I agreed with him except for the 2012 draft as in Yak, Murray, and Galchenyuk didn't look that great in the first 3 or 4 years since the draft (Galchenyuk is finally picking up as of this past year). as for Rielly, there are always guys that are picked lower in the draft that surprise people or just take off and if a re-draft was to happen years down the road it would be a completely different order. Tarasenko is one that really comes to mind he was picked 16th overall and he would be a serious 1st overall option.

yup.

Seguin - Center.
Hall - Winger.

Seguin - should have gone first.

fast forward for the simpletons in the audience

Matthews - Center
Laine - Winger


do the math
- BorjeFan4Ever

that was such a weird draft year. Seguin doesn't even make team canada - meanwhile Hall is on a stacked OHL team while Seguin played with himself on the Plymouth (frank)ing Whalers man. Not sure what the Seguin hate was all about - but he should have gone #1.

And....if not for TOskala being useless - the traded pick would have never turned into Seguin - who Boston ended up wasting somehow. I mean looking it back on it all, the trade was Kessel for Loui Eriksson who will walk as UFA and some plug prospects.

Agreed. However in our defense, after the management we've had for the last decade it does feel like we are being led by Jesus, Moses, John Lennon, Daryl from the walking dead and Batman
- walshyleafsfan

haha nice! good add of Daryl from walking dead in there walshy

exactly. media spin meisters... trying to create suspense/intrigue WHERE THERE IS none.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't doubt their comparisons of Kopitar and Ovechkin.

I'd take the guy with 2 cups every day of the week and twice on Sunday's

Yeah I was referring to someone saying usually the top 2 or 3 of each draft are always the top end talent of the draft and usually step in right away. That's what I was trying to say is that I agreed with him except for the 2012 draft as in Yak, Murray, and Galchenyuk didn't look that great in the first 3 or 4 years since the draft (Galchenyuk is finally picking up as of this past year). as for Rielly, there are always guys that are picked lower in the draft that surprise people or just take off and if a re-draft was to happen years down the road it would be a completely different order. Tarasenko is one that really comes to mind he was picked 16th overall and he would be a serious 1st overall option.
- Icecold088

ya I think Karlsson was around 15th too. I wasn't arguing your point and I didn't know the background of it all - just pointing out that Rielly's the man! Cuz I'm a Leaf fan. And I really like 'future' Captain Morgan.

Agreed. However in our defense, after the management we've had for the last decade it does feel like we are being led by Jesus, Moses, John Lennon, Daryl from the walking dead and Batman
- walshyleafsfan

Yeah,some Oilers fans feel the same with Nicholson/Chiarelli after years of Lowe and Tambo/Mac T.

I don't doubt their comparisons of Kopitar and Ovechkin.

I'd take the guy with 2 cups every day of the week and twice on Sunday's
- walshyleafsfan

that's definitely a good comparable... but at the end of the day... the Leafs have a more glaring organizational need at Center than on the wing...

so regardless of the the esteemed media NOW suddenly asking questions (they weren't before the Leafs won the lottery)... and NOW because the other lemmings in the fan bases that spend their entire day watching to see what the Leafs do (yes you do)...

the Leafs should suddenly listen to this doinks?

what shred of evidence is there that Shanahan, Lou or Babcock would listen to the input of the media?

I find the entire thing mildly entertaining... the lengths the other fanbases will go - like the "Buffalo drone" ... trying to discredit the Leafs #1 position and discredit or raise questions about Matthews.

congrats.. he was drafted as a center and was listed as one coming out of junior - AND THAT is what we are talking about here.

jero deflection -> zero points.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Yeah, but you're saying he should have went 1st over Hall. Why? They both play wing and Hall is the better player.

Agreed. However in our defense, after the management we've had for the last decade it does feel like we are being led by Jesus, Moses, John Lennon, Daryl from the walking dead and Batman
- walshyleafsfan

that was such a weird draft year. Seguin doesn't even make team canada - meanwhile Hall is on a stacked OHL team while Seguin played with himself on the Plymouth (frank)ing Whalers man. Not sure what the Seguin hate was all about - but he should have gone #1.

And....if not for TOskala being useless - the traded pick would have never turned into Seguin - who Boston ended up wasting somehow. I mean looking it back on it all, the trade was Kessel for Loui Eriksson who will walk as UFA and some plug prospects.
- Njuice

There was and is no Seguin hate, Hall is simply better.

ya I think Karlsson was around 15th too. I wasn't arguing your point and I didn't know the background of it all - just pointing out that Rielly's the man! Cuz I'm a Leaf fan. And I really like 'future' Captain Morgan.
- Njuice

ya sorry man, its my first week on this site and i thought i was replying to the other person's post but it just put my post by itself, which put it out of context!

that's definitely a good comparable... but at the end of the day... the Leafs have a more glaring organizational need at Center than on the wing...

so regardless of the the esteemed media NOW suddenly asking questions (they weren't before the Leafs won the lottery)... and NOW because the other lemmings in the fan bases that spend their entire day watching to see what the Leafs do (yes you do)...

the Leafs should suddenly listen to this doinks?

what shred of evidence is there that Shanahan, Lou or Babcock would listen to the input of the media?

I find the entire thing mildly entertaining... the lengths the other fanbases will go - like the "Buffalo drone" ... trying to discredit the Leafs #1 position and discredit or raise questions about Matthews.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Settle down. Other Canadian fan bases could care less about the Leafs...but we're all force fed the Leafs on TSN/Sportsnet. Get over yourselves.

Griess (nyi goslie) punches Brock Nelson (nyi forward) in the back of ghe head.

There was and is no Seguin hate, Hall is simply better.
- Jeropotato

I dunno, Seguin put up 8 pts more than hall this year in 10 less games. Last previous year hall only played 50 something games but his .72 ppg average paled in comparison to seguin's 1.08ppg good for 7th in total league scoring while only playing 71 games.

His playoff scoring rate is much much higher than Hall's also - but of course it's true that Hall plays on edmonton and Seguin plays on Dallas. Before mcDavid, Edmonton was not even an NHL team.

Settle down. Other Canadian fan bases could care less about the Leafs...but we're all force fed the Leafs on TSN/Sportsnet. Get over yourselves.
- Jeropotato

Here we go.....