Alas, poor Honest Hockey.

I knew him well.
- Atomic Wedgie

Said in pretentious old world English accent "we would be remiss no not..... Slings and arrows ..... Blah blah blah"


- Seanook

"Duh... how 'boot dem Leafs, eh?"



Sound better?

You do have a point. I thought Lidstrom was bigger he certainly played bigger. In any event were originally discussing Barrie who is 5'10". Can you think of a contender in the NHL that has a 5'10" defender in their top pair?

A few years back Ottawa had to make a choice between two defensenen, one bigger (chara) and one smaller skill guy (redden) how did that work out for the sens or rangers
- winsix

Lidstrom was strong and was rarely caught out of position. That and his skating are why he seemed to be bigger and was able to cover more area. Hockey IQ through the roof.

"Duh... how 'boot dem Leafs, eh?"


Sound better?
- lumlums

Much gooder der eh

You do have a point. I thought Lidstrom was bigger he certainly played bigger. In any event were originally discussing Barrie who is 5'10". Can you think of a contender in the NHL that has a 5'10" defender in their top pair?

A few years back Ottawa had to make a choice between two defensenen, one bigger (chara) and one smaller skill guy (redden) how did that work out for the sens or rangers
- winsix

Stralman is 5'11 180. An inch taller but 10lbs lighter

Much gooder der eh

- Seanook

YES B'Y!!!!

Lidstrom was strong and was rarely caught out of position. That and his skating are why he seemed to be bigger and was able to cover more area. Hockey IQ through the roof.
- Phenom

Maybe the smartest Dman who ever played. Once the Yzermans, Shanny's and Fedorov's were gone it was apparent that Lidstrom was the straw that stirred the drink.

Stralman is 5'11 180. An inch taller but 10lbs lighter
- lumlums

Ray Bourque was only 5'11". 200 plus lbs but....

You do have a point. I thought Lidstrom was bigger he certainly played bigger. In any event were originally discussing Barrie who is 5'10". Can you think of a contender in the NHL that has a 5'10" defender in their top pair?

A few years back Ottawa had to make a choice between two defensenen, one bigger (chara) and one smaller skill guy (redden) how did that work out for the sens or rangers
- winsix

Anaheim - Vatanen (5'10")
Pittsburgh - Letang (6'0")
Tampa - Stralman (5'11")

Maybe the smartest Dman who ever played. Once the Yzermans, Shanny's and Fedorov's were gone it was apparent that Lidstrom was the straw that stirred the drink.
- Seanook

Agree, top players are generally smart, skill did not help Iafrate much. Kariya was smart but career got cut short by a Gary Suter cheap shot.

Agree, top players are generally smart, skill did not help Iafrate much. Kariya was smart but career got cut short by a Gary Suter cheap shot.
- winsix

Not a defenceman but....... Dougie

Ray Bourque was only 5'11". 200 plus lbs but....
- Seanook

Different era

Different era
- winsix

He'd murder this era

Agree, top players are generally smart, skill did not help Iafrate much. Kariya was smart but career got cut short by a Gary Suter cheap shot.
- winsix

The original Gardiner.

The original Gardiner.
- Phenom

Gards wishes he had a skullet that glorious

Anaheim - Vatanen (5'10")
Pittsburgh - Letang (6'0")
Tampa - Stralman (5'11")
- Steven_Seagull

Vatanen top pair? Even if true, not including Leafs or colorado how many 5'10" or shorter of 28 teams in top pair?

Gards wishes he had a skullet that glorious
- Seanook

Nobody ever looked as graceful sliding along the bench and slamming back-first into a stanchion.

Vatanen top pair? Even if true, not including Leafs or colorado how many 5'10" or shorter of 28 teams in top pair?
- winsix

23-26 minute a night Jared Spurgeon is a whopping 5'9 (and extremely underrated) just as one example

Also, PPP did a feature a few years ago where they took all the players in the league to find a "typical" player... the average Defenseman was 6'2 and 210lbs. So if we treat this as the average, you then start to include players like Karlsson, Subban, Klingberg, Josi, Brodie, Gostisbhere who are below average in one or both of these categories. Hell, at 6'1 195 even Drew Doughty is likely at least one standard deviation below in the weight category.

Not a defenceman but....... Dougie
- Seanook

23-26 minute a night Jared Spurgeon is a whopping 5'9 (and extremely underrated) just as one example
- lumlums

I don't understand what point this guy is trying to make. Bigger defensemen are automatically better?

[quote=winsix]

Loved dougie, really like Komarov, how did it feel when we lost to the bruins someone smashed one our best players into the boards or smashed his face like mcade and Kelly did and we retaliated by giving them a huggy poo

I don't understand what point this guy is trying to make. Bigger defensemen are automatically better?
- Steven_Seagull

Sometimes a bigger D can be a curse you know..

I don't understand what point this guy is trying to make. Bigger defensemen are automatically better?
- Steven_Seagull

hard to argue that all things being equal, size isn't an advantage.

for me, having mix of players including bigger players throughout the lineup is important to building a winner.

i think having a 1c or 2c (mathews) and a 1d or 2d (?) 6'2" or bigger is a pretty big advantage. otherwise, don't i don't care so much by position.

I don't understand what point this guy is trying to make. Bigger defensemen are automatically better?
- Steven_Seagull

Not the point. Need skill. Need IQ. Need some grit. Need some size. Leafs have few big skill guys and could use a few.

Size was a huge factor when JVR was getting mugged by Marchand