Yarp.

Not sure why people say we have to move one of them. Pou and McJebus work well together and Maroon's contract is a steal for what he brings.

Keep them both.
- Wildschwein

This

Andrew Shaw
- EnzoD

2nd rounder? sure

Speaking of Subban money, Weber is looking less and less appealing. That performance last night was appalling and his contract is horrid. $8M cap hit until he is 40 when he is only 30 now and already on a noticeable decline.
- RonPielep

I would take him in a heartbeat

I would take him in a heartbeat
- Ihatebrianburke

He'd still be our best Dman by a solid margin and give the team the ability to legitimately shelter our young Dmen. However, the cap hit would cripple the team down the road.

He'd still be our best Dman by a solid margin and give the team the ability to legitimately shelter our young Dmen. However, the cap hit would cripple the team down the road.
- MaximumBone

I would much rather be in the situation where we have good defensemen with high cap hits than where we are right now

I would much rather be in the situation where we have good defensemen with high cap hits than where we are right now
- Ihatebrianburke

I can agree in one aspect, but it's not a question of now, though. If you add the $7.8 he's making, in 5-6 years, that's the cap hit he carries when he's not a capable top-4 Dman anymore. That could mean the difference allowing us to keep all three of Hall, Leon, and McDavid long term while still icing a competitive team. Unless they can manage to pawn him off after 3 or 4 years, but that's banking pretty hard on an idiot GM.

I can agree in one aspect, but it's not a question of now, though. If you add the $7.8 he's making, in 5-6 years, that's the cap hit he carries when he's not a capable top-4 Dman anymore. That could mean the difference allowing us to keep all three of Hall, Leon, and McDavid long term while still icing a competitive team. Unless they can manage to pawn him off after 3 or 4 years, but that's banking pretty hard on an idiot GM.
- MaximumBone

I think he'll still be a capable top 4 at the end of the contract. The foot speed probably won't be there to be a top pairing guy though

Man, Lowetide's website is just rife with homerism. Even a number of the "intelligent posters" think Yakupov gets you Severson. This isn't just a one time thing, either. It's consistent theme.

Man, Lowetide's website is just rife with homerism. Even a number of the "intelligent posters" think Yakupov gets you Severson. This isn't just a one time thing, either. It's consistent theme.
- MaximumBone

If hockeybuzz has taught me anything, it's that knowledgeable fans are fairly few and far between. And Thats including the hardcores, let alone the casual home team fans.

I suppose that shouldn't be surprising though considering that intelligent people in general are the minority by a pretty large margin as well.

I actually don't mind chatting hockey with casuals like my sister in law who knows very little, but loves the oilers anyway. It's actually Interesting to hear their perspective. It's the hardcores and their clueless definitives that irks the eff outta me

Taylor Hall or Eberle plus to Capitals for John Carlson? The Caps have depth on the blue line to be able to live with this deal,and either forward would be a good addition to the Capitals. Eberle may have broke Crosby and the Pens hearts,with his knack for big goals. And Taylor Hall playing out east should give people nightmares...
- 2centz

This is the problem. Why trade any? Hall and Eberle are both great players. If you doubt their play as Oilers then rewatch them play in last years worlds. Eberle is a prolific goal scorer. He has amazing accuracy and a release that few can rival. He is underrated as he is often used offensively and not usually big game goals (as the Oilers don't play many big games). Still he is calm under pressure and can get the job done when it counts. This is actually something missed in a lot of top 6 forwards.

As for Hall, he is the Oilers best player historically. No doubt McDavid will pass him but odds are Hall will always be a top player both on the Oilers and Team Canada. His numbers are consistently good on a team that is consistently bad.

Trading any wing right now is silly. There is a time for it but the Oilers won't get their real value and they have decent contracts. No need. The blue line can be addressed in other ways. As for wingers, yes you keep Maroon, he is great and maybe Kassian to bring that edge (I know the latter is a UFA). Who to play with McDavid? Answer is anyone. Yes Maroon did good with McDavid but so would the guy that sharpens their skates. If you asked who to play with Leon/RNH, then that is a question of chemistry and skills. McDavid is a well rounded player. He can use his body, setup plays and score. He is good on both sides of the ice and can play with anyone.

Answer is to keep Maroon on the top 6 and add a cheap UFA to move pouliot to the third line. He is good but he is not going to be able to keep up with the Oilers top guys for long (if he actually does now). I think try a reclamation like Perron. He played good when he was here and can probably replace Nail/Pouliot at a bargain. There are many other options but I was just throwing out a possible UFA that might want to go back to being the top goal scorer on his respective team like he was with the OIl (that won't happen again but they chance must be a thought for him).

This is the problem. Why trade any? Hall and Eberle are both great players. If you doubt their play as Oilers then rewatch them play in last years worlds. Eberle is a prolific goal scorer. He has amazing accuracy and a release that few can rival. He is underrated as he is often used offensively and not usually big game goals (as the Oilers don't play many big games). Still he is calm under pressure and can get the job done when it counts. This is actually something missed in a lot of top 6 forwards.
- Hall Fan

Is this a real question? The same reason you move any player; to improve your damn team.

If hockeybuzz has taught me anything, it's that knowledgeable fans are fairly few and far between. And Thats including the hardcores, let alone the casual home team fans.

I suppose that shouldn't be surprising though considering that intelligent people in general are the minority by a pretty large margin as well.

I actually don't mind chatting hockey with casuals like my sister in law who knows very little, but loves the oilers anyway. It's actually Interesting to hear their perspective. It's the hardcores and their clueless definitives that irks the eff outta me
- HB77

Agreed. There are few who I truly enjoy discussing hockey topics with, even here. I think there are 3 in our threads these days and a scattered few in other team's threads.

This is the problem. Why trade any? Hall and Eberle are both great players. If you doubt their play as Oilers then rewatch them play in last years worlds. Eberle is a prolific goal scorer. He has amazing accuracy and a release that few can rival. He is underrated as he is often used offensively and not usually big game goals (as the Oilers don't play many big games). Still he is calm under pressure and can get the job done when it counts. This is actually something missed in a lot of top 6 forwards.

As for Hall, he is the Oilers best player historically. No doubt McDavid will pass him but odds are Hall will always be a top player both on the Oilers and Team Canada. His numbers are consistently good on a team that is consistently bad.

Trading any wing right now is silly. There is a time for it but the Oilers won't get their real value and they have decent contracts. No need. The blue line can be addressed in other ways. As for wingers, yes you keep Maroon, he is great and maybe Kassian to bring that edge (I know the latter is a UFA). Who to play with McDavid? Answer is anyone. Yes Maroon did good with McDavid but so would the guy that sharpens their skates. If you asked who to play with Leon/RNH, then that is a question of chemistry and skills. McDavid is a well rounded player. He can use his body, setup plays and score. He is good on both sides of the ice and can play with anyone.

Answer is to keep Maroon on the top 6 and add a cheap UFA to move pouliot to the third line. He is good but he is not going to be able to keep up with the Oilers top guys for long (if he actually does now). I think try a reclamation like Perron. He played good when he was here and can probably replace Nail/Pouliot at a bargain. There are many other options but I was just throwing out a possible UFA that might want to go back to being the top goal scorer on his respective team like he was with the OIl (that won't happen again but they chance must be a thought for him).
- Hall Fan

100% delete your account and stop watching hockey and all other ice related sports

Is this a real question? The same reason you move any player; to improve your damn team.
- MaximumBone

If we were winning, we probably wouldn't be discussing making changes

Thing is, we're not just struggling, we're one of the leagues worst. For over half a decade.

Not even considering making changes is hard to even wrap my head around.

Its not easy to acquire impact players if you're not willing to give anything of value up.
The real crux of it is not even the stars in our eyes so many have for the eberles and nuges and their unwillingness to part with their favourite bestest player.
it's maintaining the myth that it'll just turn around one day all at once. As if the continued losing occurs in a vacuum and has no effect on confidence and development

Somethings broken and it's gonna take more than just a mediocre addition to the backend to change it. And eberle is my fav player. But I don't hesitate too long to move him in the right deal. I think the organization has kinda backed itself into a corner where they have no choice

Is there anyone who didn't see the season nosediving again after that slow start?
Or did they think it was just another coincidence and we still have the right formula ?

Is their anyone who didn't see the season nosediving again after that slow start?
Or did they think it was just another coincidence and we still have the right formula ?
- HB77

I didn't think it was all over. I saw visible improvements and Klefbom was doing a hell of a job carrying the blueline when Sekera and Fayne were having their early struggles. It wasn't until I saw how lost the team was without Klefbom that I called it in.

I still expected a bottom half finish from the get-go.

I didn't think it was all over. I saw visible improvements and Klefbom was doing a hell of a job carrying the blueline when Sekera and Fayne were having their early struggles. It wasn't until I saw how lost the team was without Klefbom that I called it in.

I still expected a bottom half finish from the get-go.
- MaximumBone

Fair

Maybe I stretched it abit

But even if I thought they could stay competitive, I thought anything outside the bottom 5 was gonna be a total success

I actually argued long and hard with spoiledbyoil about those improvements specifically. I saw them too, but something was still missing.
Maybe it was just the oiler defeatist in me. But either way, I was proven to be right even if there were s number of factors involved

Fair

Maybe I stretched it abit

But even if I thought they could stay competitive, I thought anything outside the bottom 5 was gonna be a total success

I actually argued long and hard with spoiledbyoil about those improvements specifically. I saw them too, but something was still missing.
Maybe it was just the oiler defeatist in me. But either way, I was proven to be right even if there were s number of factors involved
- HB77

I wouldn't blame any Oilers fan for giving up that early. It started with the same song n dance, but they visibly looked more complete. McDavid was a rousing success from game 4 onward, Klefbom was showing outstanding arrows, and Talbot had looked decent. Then McDavid got injured, Talbot's game took a 1.5 month dip, and finally Klefbom was lost.

This is the problem. Why trade any? Hall and Eberle are both great players. If you doubt their play as Oilers then rewatch them play in last years worlds. Eberle is a prolific goal scorer. He has amazing accuracy and a release that few can rival. He is underrated as he is often used offensively and not usually big game goals (as the Oilers don't play many big games). Still he is calm under pressure and can get the job done when it counts. This is actually something missed in a lot of top 6 forwards.

As for Hall, he is the Oilers best player historically. No doubt McDavid will pass him but odds are Hall will always be a top player both on the Oilers and Team Canada. His numbers are consistently good on a team that is consistently bad.

Trading any wing right now is silly. There is a time for it but the Oilers won't get their real value and they have decent contracts. No need. The blue line can be addressed in other ways. As for wingers, yes you keep Maroon, he is great and maybe Kassian to bring that edge (I know the latter is a UFA). Who to play with McDavid? Answer is anyone. Yes Maroon did good with McDavid but so would the guy that sharpens their skates. If you asked who to play with Leon/RNH, then that is a question of chemistry and skills. McDavid is a well rounded player. He can use his body, setup plays and score. He is good on both sides of the ice and can play with anyone.

Answer is to keep Maroon on the top 6 and add a cheap UFA to move pouliot to the third line. He is good but he is not going to be able to keep up with the Oilers top guys for long (if he actually does now). I think try a reclamation like Perron. He played good when he was here and can probably replace Nail/Pouliot at a bargain. There are many other options but I was just throwing out a possible UFA that might want to go back to being the top goal scorer on his respective team like he was with the OIl (that won't happen again but they chance must be a thought for him).
- Hall Fan

You trade from a position of strength to address on of weakness. That's why you trade a winger. Perron isn't coming back here. The rest is just aimless rambling. I make more sense drunk than you do on here.

You trade from a position of strength to address on of weakness. That's why you trade a winger. Perron isn't coming back here. The rest is just aimless rambling. I make more sense drunk than you do on here.
- Ihatebrianburke

Why would we want Perron back

Don't think Barrie+the contract he'll want will be worth the assets it takes to get him. I'd go after Vatanen.
- TheNugeIsHuge

Barrie>>>>>>>>>>Vatanen.

Man, Lowetide's website is just rife with homerism. Even a number of the "intelligent posters" think Yakupov gets you Severson. This isn't just a one time thing, either. It's consistent theme.
- MaximumBone

I've said this many times. Lowetide and ON posters are retannered.

He'd still be our best Dman by a solid margin and give the team the ability to legitimately shelter our young Dmen. However, the cap hit would cripple the team down the road.
- MaximumBone

I doubt they ever trade him because of his contract structure. Most of his big money has been paid. If they want to trade him to us we could either LTIR him late in his career or if he retires we'd get a cap benefit and the preds would get a cap penalty. I doubt he ever move.

I've said this many times. Lowetide and ON posters are retannered.
- Iggysbff

Using the "r" word will get you three days

Is this a real question? The same reason you move any player; to improve your damn team.
- MaximumBone

Yeah but are you improving by moving your consistently best player that is set at a great contract price. He is essentially a point a game player on a team that has been terrible well before he was drafted. Him + for Carlson? There is a time to trade a guy like this but it is after a team shows some life. Before then you part with prospects and picks if need be. Plus Center is where we look to have the long term surplus. Yes Leon can play both wing and Center but the way he played for the Rockets would you want a guy like him on the wing? There is a reason he was MVP despite losing. Once he gets some experience and starts winning faceoffs he will be more valuable as the second line center. Someone you are not worried about being caught out there on an icing or def end faceoffs with little time left.

RNH will be the guy to go but our forward situation isn't so great that we can trade off talent at a discount.