Speaking of Subban money, Weber is looking less and less appealing. That performance last night was appalling and his contract is horrid. $8M cap hit until he is 40 when he is only 30 now and already on a noticeable decline.
- RonPielep

Weber's performance could probably put down to fatigue. He was playing way too many minutes per night to remain effective. Especially against a team like the Sharks.

Would be worth it no? I'd prefer Barrie over Subban given the choice.
- Wildschwein

5.5m-6m would be my comfort level on him. I love Barrie, he is as silky smooth as they come in terms of moving the puck. He is still a liability in his own end...you get the good and the bad out of him. RIght now his offensive ability out weighs his defensive short comings.

If he is looking for Letang money....I dont think hes a 6.5m-7.5m player.

Only problem is that Barrie has been sheltered by Johnson quite a bit whereas Subban has played all of the challenging minutes for the Habs. It skews their numbers a bit in Barries favor.
- RonPielep

Yeah that's fair.

I hope Chiarelli still does some work on the forward corps. The team needs some depth and a few more versatile players. I kinda hope he can grab a guy like Jurco from Detroit. The guy has struggled a fair deal, but he has great hands and seems to have a decent two-way game in my viewings. I wonder if they'd do Yakupov for Jurco and a pick (or maybe Sproul).
- MaximumBone

For sure

Those middling types are probabky exactly what pc will be looking to do to shore up the forward group. I'll assume he'd like even more size in there too.
Brouwers been mentioned a lot. As long as it's not a total brain dead offer cause of a string playoffs, I'd be happy with that addition to an already skilled line of hall/leon

Only problem is that Barrie has been sheltered by Johnson quite a bit whereas Subban has played all of the challenging minutes for the Habs. It skews their numbers a bit in Barries favor.
- RonPielep

Not really, Barrie has done what he has done with lesser D partners in Nate Guenin and Nick Holden the past 2 years. EJ has had the better d partners for the most part.

Recently they played them together to end the season which was unreal....but sigh

5.5m-6m would be my comfort level on him. I love Barrie, he is as silky smooth as they come in terms of moving the puck. He is still a liability in his own end...you get the good and the bad out of him. RIght now his offensive ability out weighs his defensive short comings.

If he is looking for Letang money....I dont think hes a 6.5m-7.5m player.
- DDM-Coga

Well said


But I think the oilers in their desperation would throw 6.5 at him quite happily

5.5m-6m would be my comfort level on him. I love Barrie, he is as silky smooth as they come in terms of moving the puck. He is still a liability in his own end...you get the good and the bad out of him. RIght now his offensive ability out weighs his defensive short comings.

If he is looking for Letang money....I dont think hes a 6.5m-7.5m player.
- DDM-Coga

He has a more established track record than Hamilton, I can see him getting 6m easily.

Roy can be as unhappy as he wants, end of the day its Sakic. He has final say in the roster and if he feels that they cant afford Barrie then thats up to him.

Sakic is a very progressive GM to be honest, he has talked about shot metrics and his assistant GM McFarland is really progressive in that department as well.

Sakic is more new age, Roy is very old school. But it comes down to money for the Avs and if he wants more than 6m a year (Dougie Hamilton just signed 5.5m) can the Avs afford to keep him and still build a competitive roster in the future
- DDM-Coga

I'd be willing to pay Barrie 6M for his prime years. Send out Ebs when you need to.

Well said


But I think the oilers in their desperation would throw 6.5 at him quite happily
- HB77

Agreed

Not really, Barrie has done what he has done with lesser D partners in Nate Guenin and Nick Holden the past 2 years. EJ has had the better d partners for the most part.

Recently they played them together to end the season which was unreal....but sigh
- DDM-Coga

Assuming he's priced himself out of Colorado, u take the 4th and a prospect ?

It'd be quite the coup to land him

Pp qb/puck mover/ rush starter off the list of needs


Still need that defensive minute Muncher, but not only do I think that might be abit easier to find, but one might be able to kind of scotch tape a mediocreish type in that role fairly effectively

If u get my meaning
- HB77

If I'm reading that correct, yes. A relatively cost-effective guy like Polak, Michael Stone, or Gudas to help take the heavy responsibilities? I'm not super against Fayne like some here are. I don't like his contract, but as far as effectiveness, he and Sekera performed decently in that type of role. I think 3 pairings with balance is the route I aim for:

Klefbom- Barrie (top pairing, offensive starts)
Sekera- Stone or Gudas (two-way, mid range starts)
Davidson- Fayne or Gryba (shutdown, defensive starts)

If we can move Fayne somewhere, then I'd happily resign Gryba for that bottom pairing spot, but I don't mind him. Then perhaps add a guy like Postma out of Winnipeg. Really aim to keep Nurse in the AHL so he's only making it if he usurps a top-4 spot from one of the 4 up there.

WHY IS HE SO GOOD AT HOCKEY THAT NON LEAF ARSEHOLE! DAMMIT!

Next year it should be fun to watch the Oil. Glad they are in the west. We'll you see in the finals in 2019.

I'd be willing to pay Barrie 6M for his prime years. Send out Ebs when you need to.
- RonPielep

Yep

At this point, you'd be looking at losing the deal for ebs but acquiring grade a prospects and saving cash. And u know there'd be takers

Be nice to experience some success before doing that though

Not really, Barrie has done what he has done with lesser D partners in Nate Guenin and Nick Holden the past 2 years. EJ has had the better d partners for the most part.

Recently they played them together to end the season which was unreal....but sigh
- DDM-Coga

But when they aren't together (the majority of the time) it's EJ's line who handles the tough defensive assignments relative to Barrie, correct?

I'm just saying PK Subban is the #1 guy in Montreal by a huuuge margin. He gets the vast majority of tough defensive assignments and is focused on by the opposing teams top defenders as well.

Barrie isn't even the #1 on the Avs.

This is why Gardiner's #s look better than Pietrangelo's to some. I don't think those hero charts accurately reflect usage (i.e., D zone vs O zone starts and QoC).

I'd be willing to pay Barrie 6M for his prime years. Send out Ebs when you need to.
- RonPielep

Oh yeah, a D like Barrie is fully worth 6M and would be huge for edmonton. I'm anxious to see the moves they make and watch them play next year. Lot of good teams to compete with in the west, but the OIlers should be one of them.

McDavid is not even human. Someone took semen samples from Gretzky and Crosby and impregnated Cassie Campbell and she gave birth to McDavid. It's the only logical explanation.

If I'm reading that correct, yes. A relatively cost-effective guy like Polak, Michael Stone, or Gudas to help take the heavy responsibilities? I'm not super against Fayne like some here are. I don't like his contract, but as far as effectiveness, he and Sekera performed decently in that type of role. I think 3 pairings with balance is the route I aim for:

Klefbom- Barrie (top pairing, offensive starts)
Sekera- Stone or Gudas (two-way, mid range starts)
Davidson- Fayne or Gryba (shutdown, defensive starts)

If we can move Fayne somewhere, then I'd happily resign Gryba for that bottom pairing spot, but I don't mind him. Then perhaps add a guy like Postma out of Winnipeg. Really aim to keep Nurse in the AHL so he's only making it if he usurps a top-4 spot from one of the 4 up there.
- MaximumBone

Exactly

It's not super pretty, but I think it could get the job done.
And with nurse/reinhart in the wings, and Davidson, you can turn that over pretty quickly if Furthur steps up standings are in order in a year or two

Just don't get stuck in anything long term for said top 4 plug in

Assuming he's priced himself out of Colorado, u take the 4th and a prospect ?
- HB77

I would be still be upset at that. Its a sign to the fans that Mgmt doesnt think the team is good enough to win now. Moves a step backwards and wastes more prime years of Duchene and Landeskog waiting on prospects to come up

Orange pylon and a blue fire hydrant

But when they aren't together (the majority of the time) it's EJ's line who handles the tough defensive assignments relative to Barrie, correct?

I'm just saying PK Subban is the #1 guy in Montreal by a huuuge margin. He gets the vast majority of tough defensive assignments and is focused on by the opposing teams top defenders as well.

Barrie isn't even the #1 on the Avs.

This is why Gardiner's #s look better than Pietrangelo's to some. I don't think those hero charts accurately reflect usage (i.e., D zone vs O zone starts and QoC).
- RonPielep

Barrie as good as they come in offensive ability and moving the puck, but he does get a lighter work load however he has never had a good partner even with lesser competition. Get him a good partner and he should be able to handle tougher minutes.

Im so torn and hurt by these r umours....Barrie

Yep

At this point, you'd be looking at losing the deal for ebs but acquiring grade a prospects and saving cash. And u know there'd be takers

Be nice to experience some success before doing that though
- HB77

I wouldn't mind it as long as it's right deal. There'll be takers and that means a bidding war.

If I'm reading that correct, yes. A relatively cost-effective guy like Polak, Michael Stone, or Gudas to help take the heavy responsibilities? I'm not super against Fayne like some here are. I don't like his contract, but as far as effectiveness, he and Sekera performed decently in that type of role. I think 3 pairings with balance is the route I aim for:

Klefbom- Barrie (top pairing, offensive starts)
Sekera- Stone or Gudas (two-way, mid range starts)
Davidson- Fayne or Gryba (shutdown, defensive starts)

If we can move Fayne somewhere, then I'd happily resign Gryba for that bottom pairing spot, but I don't mind him. Then perhaps add a guy like Postma out of Winnipeg. Really aim to keep Nurse in the AHL so he's only making it if he usurps a top-4 spot from one of the 4 up there.
- MaximumBone

I'd prefer Demers over Stone and Gudas. But if Barrie is signed at 6.5M then paying Demers might be a problem depending on what he wants.

He has a more established track record than Hamilton, I can see him getting 6m easily.
- LittleRickyV2

The theory I have, is that Barrie doesnt fit the mold that Roy and Sakic want for the roster (big and mobile) So if they are goign to pay 6.5m for a Dman its going to be for a Trouba like guy. I would not be shocked to see them try and flip those guys.

Trouba and the 22nd or B.Lemiuex for Barrie

I wouldn't mind it as long as it's right deal. There'll be takers and that means a bidding war.
- MaximumBone

Eberle for Barrie straight up? Is Barrie RFA? Would colorado have to add some picks or quality depth forwards?

Eberle for Barrie straight up? Is Barrie RFA? Would colorado have to add some picks or quality depth forwards?
- Njuice

delete your account

Barrie as good as they come in offensive ability and moving the puck, but he does get a lighter work load however he has never had a good partner even with lesser competition. Get him a good partner and he should be able to handle tougher minutes.

Im so torn and hurt by these r umours....Barrie
- DDM-Coga

Yeah for sure. I'm just trying to say I think Subban has the edge on Barrie as an overall player at this point.

But Subban at 9M or Barrie at 6.5M and I'll take Barrie any day.