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rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 12 @ 10:13 PM ET
So that was sarcasm?
- RonPielep


I guess exaggeration is the best way to put it. Clearly every person does not have the same opinion.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 12 @ 10:13 PM ET
Yak would be a good cheap low risk addition for you guys but I don't see a deal really working because the only players the Oil would be interested would be Larsson and Severson.

Maybe the Oil will package Yak with their 4th OA for a solid RD.

- RonPielep



And that's why. It's not that Yak definitely won'y be a good forward, it's that the Devils can't afford to throw away pieces that are a part of the future for maybes.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 12 @ 10:24 PM ET
Sorry I meant you as in you Devils fans were the ones who brought it up. You just chimed in afterwards.
- RonPielep


That sounds more like it lol.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 12 @ 10:26 PM ET
Yak would be a good cheap low risk addition for you guys but I don't see a deal really working because the only players the Oil would be interested would be Larsson and Severson.

Maybe the Oil will package Yak with their 4th OA for a solid RD.

- RonPielep


If the only interest is in lars and severson our only interest is in hall and eberle.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 12 @ 10:27 PM ET
If the only interest is in lars and severson our only interest is in hall, draisaitl, and maybe nuge.
- rawwdogg88



Fixed.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 10:34 PM ET
If the only interest is in lars and severson our only interest is in hall and eberle.
- rawwdogg88


Maybe you guys could put something together for Eberle but unfortunately there isn't a single piece on your roster that be valuable enough to bring someone like Hall back.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 12 @ 10:34 PM ET
Devils should do a sign and trade and move Schlemko for Yak... But I think Edmonton would have to throw in a sweetener like also take Merrill and send back some smoked salmon. That way everyone wins. They get another top 5 draft pick by not improving their defense and we have another offensive player not producing... But we get the smoked salmon!!!
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 10:35 PM ET
I guess exaggeration is the best way to put it. Clearly every person does not have the same opinion.
- rmdevil313


So in other words it was just a false statement that was not meant sarcastically...
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 12 @ 10:37 PM ET
So in other words it was just a false statement that was not meant sarcastically...
- RonPielep


Not everything is literal or sarcastic
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 12 @ 10:39 PM ET
Maybe you guys could put something together for Eberle but unfortunately there isn't a single piece on your roster that be valuable enough to bring someone like Hall back.
- RonPielep


Heard of Cory Franklin Scneider?
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 10:39 PM ET
Not everything is literal or sarcastic
- rmdevil313


You said no one was interested in Yak. But you actually meant you aren't interested in Yak.

Yeah... that's neither literal nor sarcastic, it's just complete nonsense....
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 10:44 PM ET
Heard of Cory Franklin Scneider?
- Queenie_5_hole


Yes I have. And I almost preemptively explained why I didn't consider him because I knew some rookie like yourself was going to bring him up. Fact of the matter is goalies don't carry that kind of value. If you actually had a clue about hockey and kept the history of previous trades and values of players in perspective then you might understand that. But clearly you don't.

And to be perfectly candid, I actually think in terms of impact on a game, Schneider has a larger positive impact for his team than Hall does.

The problem is the goalie market is a buyers market, but you probably don't understand what that means.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 12 @ 10:51 PM ET
You said no one was interested in Yak. But you actually meant you aren't interested in Yak.

Yeah... that's neither literal nor sarcastic, it's just complete nonsense....

- RonPielep


Sorry exaggeration is too complicated for you to grasp. I'll dumb down my posts from here on out.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 10:56 PM ET
Sorry exaggeration is too complicated for you to grasp. I'll dumb down my posts from here on out.
- rmdevil313


Yes, great use of exaggeration, stating no one wants Yak on the same page of the same thread that multiple people who are fans of your favorite team made proposals to obtain Yak.

Very well timed and accurate use of exaggeration...
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 12 @ 10:57 PM ET
Yes, great use of exaggeration, stating no one wants Yak on the same page of the same thread that multiple people who are fans of your favorite team made proposals to obtain Yak.

Very well timed and accurate use of exaggeration...

- RonPielep


rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 12 @ 11:00 PM ET
Maybe you guys could put something together for Eberle but unfortunately there isn't a single piece on your roster that be valuable enough to bring someone like Hall back.
- RonPielep


I would think a package of severson, boucher, and our 1st this year would be a bit hard to turn down from the oil perspective. However, I'm not suggesting we should throw this offer your way. I would rather keep all those assets I just mentioned. Im just saying this cause I believe we'd def have the pieces to pull off a deal for hall IF we really wanted to.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 11:04 PM ET

- rmdevil313


Oh so that's who taught you how to use exaggeration. Makes perfect sense.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 11:12 PM ET
I would think a package of severson, boucher, and our 1st this year would be a bit hard to turn down from the oil perspective. However, I'm not suggesting we should throw this offer your way. I would rather keep all those assets I just mentioned. Im just saying this cause I believe we'd def have the pieces to pull off a deal for hall IF we really wanted to.
- rawwdogg88



Here is the thing you are missing about the Oilers. They aren't going to spend Hall on a bunch of lower pieces. They will trade Hall for a bonafide top pairing RD. You can keep Boucher and your 1st. Severson is a young second pairing D man with good upside. He is not top pairing. Shattenkirk >> Severson. The Oil have a hole and they aren't going to trade Hall unless they fill it. At least I hope haha



rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 12 @ 11:30 PM ET
Here is the thing you are missing about the Oilers. They aren't going to spend Hall on a bunch of lower pieces. They will trade Hall for a bonafide top pairing RD. You can keep Boucher and your 1st. Severson is a young second pairing D man with good upside. He is not top pairing. Shattenkirk >> Severson. The Oil have a hole and they aren't going to trade Hall unless they fill it. At least I hope haha
- RonPielep


Pretty sure Severson would be a top pairing on your oil squad. Plus the defensemen you could select with the fourth and 11th pick in the draft would set u up with three nice defensemen for years to come. Oh yeah, and that kid boucher, better than your boy Yak. Guarantee you he puts up way more points than Yak in 2016-2017 season. I don't think any of us Devils fans consider Boucher, our 1st, or Severson as "lower end" pieces.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 11:36 PM ET
Pretty sure Severson would be a top pairing on your oil squad. Plus the defensemen you could select with the fourth and 11th pick in the draft would set u up with three nice defensemen for years to come. Oh yeah, and that kid boucher, better than your boy Yak. Guarantee you he puts up way more points than Yak in 2016-2017 season. I don't think any of us Devils fans consider Boucher, our 1st, or Severson as "lower end" pieces.
- rawwdogg88


Don't think you know what I mean by top pairing. It's about more than minutes.
Oil don't need any more prospects to wait 2-4 years to develop.

Lower end is meant relative to Hall, who is elite, I wasn't trying to say they weren't good pieces.

Better than Yak doesn't help land a D.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 12 @ 11:44 PM ET
Yes I have. And I almost preemptively explained why I didn't consider him because I knew some rookie like yourself was going to bring him up. Fact of the matter is goalies don't carry that kind of value. If you actually had a clue about hockey and kept the history of previous trades and values of players in perspective then you might understand that. But clearly you don't.

And to be perfectly candid, I actually think in terms of impact on a game, Schneider has a larger positive impact for his team than Hall does.

The problem is the goalie market is a buyers market, but you probably don't understand what that means.

- RonPielep


You're a joke. You clowns just paid out the ass for Cam Talbot. You're team is all elite but you keep getting this draft picks like you don't know what you're doing... Because you don't.

How ironic what a Mickey Mouse organization the Oilers have become...
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 12 @ 11:52 PM ET
You're a joke. You clowns just paid out the ass for Cam Talbot. You're team is all elite but you keep getting this draft picks like you don't know what you're doing... Because you don't.

How ironic what a Mickey Mouse organization the Oilers have become...

- Queenie_5_hole




Nice rebuttal man, have a snickers.

They didn't pay anything even close to Hall for Cam Talbot. But thanks for proving my point.

Also, what's that, the Oil team is all elite?
I don't know who told you that but it's funny how you act like most of them aren't worth poop and then go on to make some point about how they are all elite and still suck.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 13 @ 12:07 AM ET
Don't think you know what I mean by top pairing. It's about more than minutes.
Oil don't need any more prospects to wait 2-4 years to develop.

Lower end is meant relative to Hall, who is elite, I wasn't trying to say they weren't good pieces.

Better than Yak doesn't help land a D.

- RonPielep


Ya know, it's hard to call all these forwards you have "elite" or even "high end" I mean, all they have garnered for your team is "lower end" results. Laughing stock of the NHL, Cellar dwelling the standings for years, they all clearly lack true leadership skills (besides mcdavid) I mean you have a 19 year old showing the most heart and leadership skills out that whole group of "elite" or "high end" forwards. Yes I know mcdavid is a generational talent and all that but these guys like RNH, Hall, and Eberle should be setting better examples for your team. They all reek with a losing attitude and are the leaders of a losing cause.

With all that said, it's hard to look at Hall or any of your other players and say they are even worth all these pieces I suggested throwing at the oil in a trade. I know you probably take first round picks for granted and don't value them like a spoiled little boy who gets everything he wants, but we value them highly over here in NJ. And another thing we don't tolerate in NJ, is a losing attitude that all your players bring to the table. I guess at the end of the day, the Oil and NJ really DON'T match up for a trade.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

May 13 @ 12:10 AM ET
Ya know, it's hard to call all these forwards you have "elite" or even "high end" I mean, all they have garnered for your team is "lower end" results. Laughing stock of the NHL, Cellar dwelling the standings for years, they all clearly lack true leadership skills (besides mcdavid) I mean you have a 19 year old showing the most heart and leadership skills out that whole group of "elite" or "high end" forwards. Yes I know mcdavid is a generational talent and all that but these guys like RNH, Hall, and Eberle should be setting better examples for your team. They all reek with a losing attitude and are the leaders of a losing cause.

With all that said, it's hard to look at Hall or any of your other players and say they are even worth all these pieces I suggested throwing at the oil in a trade. I know you probably take first round picks for granted and don't value them like a spoiled little boy who gets everything he wants, but we value them highly over here in NJ. And another thing we don't tolerate in NJ, is a losing attitude that all your players bring to the table. I guess at the end of the day, the Oil and NJ really DON'T match up for a trade.

- rawwdogg88



I read your first sentence...

Nobody is saying all the forwards the Oil have are elite. I just explained it to the other guy.

There is actually so much wrong in that post I don't even know where to start.

But most importantly you are completely missing the point, I'm not saying the package you suggested isn't valuable. It just doesn't make sense from the perspective of the Oils needs. They aren't giving up their best trade chip without using it to help fix their biggest hole. Nobody you have offered does that. Kapish?
NJDSTRONG
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 03.02.2013

May 13 @ 12:16 AM ET
This is how I see it shaping up:

Cammalleri-Henrique-DSP
Blandisi-Zajac-Palmieri
Elias-Zacha-Boucher
Kalinin-Josefson-Kennedy

Not exactly an elite lineup but it's balanced, If Stempniak comes back then he takes DSP's spot, DSP slides down to 3rd line RW with Boucher on LW, Elias plays 4th line LW with Josefson and Kalinin. If Cullen can be successful on the 4th line then Elias should be able to as well with additional time on specialty teams.

Cammalleri-Henrique-Stempniak
Blandisi-Zajac-Palmieri
Boucher-Zacha-DSP
Elias-Josefson-Kalinin
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