what do you think he's worth then?
- K-dizzle

Personally if I were the Oilers I wouldn't be trying to sell super low on Yak at all, especially if other GMs are as educated as the people in this thread. Selling low on Yak to the tune of a 3rd rounder or an AHL D man would be the most idiotic move possible.

But if you want to know what I think he is worth I'll say I think he is worth someone in a comparable situation to him, i.e., a former high draft pick who hasn't lived up to expectations. Someone that is still young and has RFA time left. Someone who has proven that they are capable of producing in the NHL, but has suffered development and consistency issues. Someone with a strong set of raw skills (skating, shooting, etc.) but has not been able to develop them effectively and could also use a change of scenery. Most importantly, said person has to be a proven NHLer not some fringe guy who has spent the majority of his pro career in the AHL and is continually up and down.

Personally if I were the Oilers I wouldn't be trying to sell super low on Yak at all, especially if other GMs are as educated as the people in this thread. Selling low on Yak to the tune of a 3rd rounder or an AHL D man would be the most idiotic move possible.

But if you want to know what I think he is worth I'll say I think he is worth someone in a comparable situation to him, i.e., a former high draft pick who hasn't lived up to expectations. Someone that is still young and has RFA time left. Someone who has proven that they are capable of producing in the NHL, but has suffered development and consistency issues. Someone with a strong set of raw skills (skating, shooting, etc.) but has not been able to develop them effectively and could also use a change of scenery. Most importantly, said person has to be a proven NHLer not some fringe guy who has spent the majority of his pro career in the AHL and is continually up and down.
- RonPielep

Before you go crazy, I literally copied and pasted what I saw posted on your thread for him recently...

Also, what you describe as a fair deal is exsctly what Merrill is. He is a young dman who played very well under deboer and seemed to take a step back. He will not wow you with anything, but he is a smooth skater who makes a good first pass. I also said Merrill and a 2nd, which isn't absurd for a guy whom, I am not sure about this, requested a trade. I also said a package and was spit balling my ideal realistic offseason. Who on the Devils do you think would be a fair deal? And please don't say severson or Larson. ..

Personally if I were the Oilers I wouldn't be trying to sell super low on Yak at all, especially if other GMs are as educated as the people in this thread. Selling low on Yak to the tune of a 3rd rounder or an AHL D man would be the most idiotic move possible.

But if you want to know what I think he is worth I'll say I think he is worth someone in a comparable situation to him, i.e., a former high draft pick who hasn't lived up to expectations. Someone that is still young and has RFA time left. Someone who has proven that they are capable of producing in the NHL, but has suffered development and consistency issues. Someone with a strong set of raw skills (skating, shooting, etc.) but has not been able to develop them effectively and could also use a change of scenery. Most importantly, said person has to be a proven NHLer not some fringe guy who has spent the majority of his pro career in the AHL and is continually up and down.
- RonPielep

Perfect you can have Josefson kidding

If i remember he came out and asked for a trade which already hurts you in negotiating a trade as well as he had a tough year again so you are already looking to sell super low on a guy that has never reached 40 points entering his fifth NHL season.

I just don't think NHL has anything to really offer at the moment that Edm would want without creating another hole to fill.

Dude, you're not getting Yakupov for Merrill. I don't even want Yakupov.

I'm the used car salesman? That's laughable, I came here to respond to a stupid trade proposal and call it what it is. I'm not trying to sell Yakupov at all, you geniuses were trying to buy him in some kinda wet-dream fantasy where you don't have to give up anything of any value whatsoever...
- RonPielep

Yes, you are the used car salesman. Trying to sell me a Hyundai but describing it as a Mercedes benz. You can have Merril and that's it for Yak. No draft picks. We don't even want Yak lol. At this point it's a change of scenery exchange for two under achievers in the NHL. Merril is supposed to be a quality defensemen as Yak is supposed to be a quality top 6 Forward.

Before you go crazy, I literally copied and pasted what I saw posted on your thread for him recently...

Also, what you describe as a fair deal is exsctly what Merrill is. He is a young dman who played very well under deboer and seemed to take a step back. He will not wow you with anything, but he is a smooth skater who makes a good first pass. I also said Merrill and a 2nd, which isn't absurd for a guy whom, I am not sure about this, requested a trade. I also said a package and was spit balling my ideal realistic offseason. Who on the Devils do you think would be a fair deal? And please don't say severson or Larson. ..
- TwoPumpChump91

Ahh Merrill and a 2nd, I thought you said Merrill and some late round picks (i.e., 6th/7th). That's not as bad (but I still wouldn't put much value into Merrill).

Anyways, I haven't really watched a lot of him but even taking your word for what he is, he is still exactly what the Oil have too many of. Bottom pairing LHD. He would not help the team at all so even just from a organizational need standpoint there would be not reason to spend assets on him.

Like I said before I wouldn't be trying to sell low on Yak at all right now. I'd pair him with Connor again and see if they can produce like they did last year but for a longer period of time. Then if his value went up I might entertain offers at the trade deadline.

Yes, you are the used car salesman. Trying to sell me a Hyundai but describing it as a Mercedes benz. You can have Merril and that's it for Yak. No draft picks. We don't even want Yak lol. At this point it's a change of scenery exchange for two under achievers in the NHL. Merril is supposed to be a quality defensemen as Yak is supposed to be a quality top 6 Forward.
- rawwdogg88

Nobody wants Merrill you fool, try to pay attention. I'm not coming in here trying to sell Yak at all. Full stop.

It was you guys who chimed in about acquiring Yakupov in the first place with a nonsensical trade proposal that I stated made no sense for the Oil.

Try to keep up.

Dude, you're not getting Yakupov for Merrill. I don't even want Yakupov.
- CaptCrankypants

Nobody asked for Merrill, the Oilers have about 6 players equivalent to Merrill on their blueline, that is kinda the problem. But sure keep making up some stupid false narrative like that other genius with the stupid used car salesmen BS.

Nobody wants Merrill you fool, try to pay attention. I'm not coming in here trying to sell Yak at all. Full stop.

It was you guys who chimed in about acquiring Yakupov in the first place with a nonsensical trade proposal that I stated made no sense for the Oil.

Try to keep up.
- RonPielep

Well then, since we don't see eye to eye, looks like you'll have to tow your Hyundai out my (frank)in lot. Dueces

Perfect you can have Josefson kidding

If i remember he came out and asked for a trade which already hurts you in negotiating a trade as well as he had a tough year again so you are already looking to sell super low on a guy that has never reached 40 points entering his fifth NHL season.

I just don't think NHL has anything to really offer at the moment that Edm would want without creating another hole to fill.
- K-dizzle

Edm would be better served packaging Yak with someone of value to acquire something they actually need. Not acquiring a middling LD which they already have too many of. Merrill isn't a good fit, end of story.

Well then, since we don't see eye to eye, looks like you'll have to tow your Hyundai out my (frank)in lot. Dueces
- rawwdogg88

Since you brought up Yak in the first place you can pay for towing.

Maybe this will make it more clear for you guys.

Personally if I were the Oilers I wouldn't be trying to sell super low on Yak at all, especially if other GMs are as educated as the people in this thread. Selling low on Yak to the tune of a 3rd rounder or an AHL D man would be the most idiotic move possible.

But if you want to know what I think he is worth I'll say I think he is worth someone in a comparable situation to him, i.e., a former high draft pick who hasn't lived up to expectations. Someone that is still young and has RFA time left. Someone who has proven that they are capable of producing in the NHL, but has suffered development and consistency issues. Someone with a strong set of raw skills (skating, shooting, etc.) but has not been able to develop them effectively and could also use a change of scenery. Most importantly, said person has to be a proven NHLer not some fringe guy who has spent the majority of his pro career in the AHL and is continually up and down.
- RonPielep

No one wants yakupov. Having RFA time left doesn't really matter when you're not worth a whole lot to begin with.

My ideal realistic NJD off-season, so because i am trying to be realistic, I will not include Stamkos who would obviously be the biggest get:

Draft- Brown, Keller, Jost or one of top D available, preferably in that order.

Sign Matt Martin for 3 years for 4th line
Sign Troy Brouwer- This may no longer be a good idea, as his outstanding postseason so far will drive his price up.

These two would be great additions to our bottom 6 as big guys who can skate and push people around, we were small last year. Can also score some.

Trade to EDM for Yakupov- only if we are not giving anything significant ie Merrill package of later picks Helgeson Jacobs etc.. I know many may disagree, but i believe the talent is there and for our team, it could be worth the low risk/high reward. He has high work ethic, speed,shot, young. Could work out but again i can see why many wouldnt want this route. Not sure what the perceived cost of him would be however.

BONUS: Sign Keith Yandle or Demers

Sign stempniak back. Some may complain wont be enough spots, but we all know cam is a lock to miss at least 25 games and if elias comes back he will most likely miss 30.

Thoughts?
- TwoPumpChump91

I actually don't want to upgrade the bottom 6 too much. Bigger need is the top 6 and shifting players like DSP down. We also have a couple guys like Wood, Q, and Pietila who could grab a spot and I don't want to overcrowd the roster with lower end players.

Tootoo and Farnham aren't bad 4th liners. Why does everyone think the 4th lines are the difference between winning and bad teams. The islanders and blues have tough physical 4th lines. The maple leafs and oilers didn't have any toughness on there 4th line and sucked. The 4th line in the traditional sense still works there priority is to provide energy and give the other lines a rest. Two checkers maybe 1 fighter and pk specialist and there you go.

Tootoo and Farnham aren't bad 4th liners. Why does everyone think the 4th lines are the difference between winning and bad teams. The islanders and blues have tough physical 4th lines. The maple leafs and oilers didn't have any toughness on there 4th line and sucked. The 4th line in the traditional sense still works there priority is to provide energy and give the other lines a rest. Two checkers maybe 1 fighter and pk specialist and there you go.
- vandymeer23

You haven't watched many Devils games have you?

No one wants yakupov. Having RFA time left doesn't really matter when you're not worth a whole lot to begin with.
- rmdevil313

Apparently no1 wants him. That's why multiple Devils fans in this thread initiated trade proposals for him...

Keep up the derp tho.

Apparently no1 wants him. That's why multiple Devils fans in this thread initiated trade proposals for him...

Keep up the derp tho.
- RonPielep

And I praise Jebus that those Devils fans are not the GM

Since you brought up Yak in the first place you can pay for towing.
- RonPielep

Lol, actually, if you look at the posts on this thread, I didn't comment until you went off on your perceived value of Yak. So the bill's on you buddy

Tootoo and Farnham aren't bad 4th liners. Why does everyone think the 4th lines are the difference between winning and bad teams. The islanders and blues have tough physical 4th lines. The maple leafs and oilers didn't have any toughness on there 4th line and sucked. The 4th line in the traditional sense still works there priority is to provide energy and give the other lines a rest. Two checkers maybe 1 fighter and pk specialist and there you go.
- vandymeer23

I know your team has won a few cups the past few years and what not so our 2012 cup run is probably not even in your memory at all. But I'll tell you this, the devils would've never reached the finals without the great contributions it got from their fourth line on that run.

Lol, actually, if you look at the posts on this thread, I didn't comment until you went off on your perceived value of Yak. So the bill's on you buddy
- rawwdogg88

Sorry I meant you as in you Devils fans were the ones who brought it up. You just chimed in afterwards.

Tootoo and Farnham aren't bad 4th liners. Why does everyone think the 4th lines are the difference between winning and bad teams. The islanders and blues have tough physical 4th lines. The maple leafs and oilers didn't have any toughness on there 4th line and sucked. The 4th line in the traditional sense still works there priority is to provide energy and give the other lines a rest. Two checkers maybe 1 fighter and pk specialist and there you go.
- vandymeer23

Just because two tough players are tough doesn't mean they are equal. Farnham is AHL quality. Tootoo could stick around as an extra forward an I wouldn't mind, but we need to upgrade his spot.

Apparently no1 wants him. That's why multiple Devils fans in this thread initiated trade proposals for him...

Keep up the derp tho.
- RonPielep

Thank you for taking that literally.

And I praise Jebus that those Devils fans are not the GM
- smellmyfinger

Yak would be a good cheap low risk addition for you guys but I don't see a deal really working because the only players the Oil would be interested would be Larsson and Severson.

Maybe the Oil will package Yak with their 4th OA for a solid RD.

Thank you for taking that literally.
- rmdevil313

So that was sarcasm?