It would need to be Sanheim or Morin + something else pretty good. Nylander and Marner or elite level prospects like a Provorov.
- PhillySportsGuy

Sanheim + 18th + 2nd + Neuvith may do it.

Laughton, Cousins, Konecny...who knows...the point is that Coots isnt the problem. He is actually one of the Flyers best players and there are plenty of people here that still think he should be a "3C"...its old
- YuenglingJagr

you obviously didnt understand what i was saying. I agree he is a 2C. with the current state of scoring being so down, my thought was would it be better to then get even better defensively by placing him at 3C and having strictly an offensive guy at the 2C. So you can cut down a bit of his 5v5 TOI and allow him more to be out there against the top lines to shut them down.

Believe me, Coots is my second favorite flyer behind G, i think this kid is gonna be eventually one of the top 3 two way players in the league, i think he can be a 60 point scorer with more skilled wingers.

my argument though, in this current state of the flyers where our offense is pretty much as is, any help would be in the form of FA or trading which does not seem to be Hexy's plan, would be too improve defensively enough where you do not need to outscore you opponents, ala the old NJ Devils system-ish.

you obviously didnt understand what i was saying. I agree he is a 2C. with the current state of scoring being so down, my thought was would it be better to then get even better defensively by placing him at 3C and having strictly an offensive guy at the 2C. So you can cut down a bit of his 5v5 TOI and allow him more to be out there against the top lines to shut them down.

Believe me, Coots is my second favorite flyer behind G, i think this kid is gonna be eventually one of the top 3 two way players in the league, i think he can be a 60 point scorer with more skilled wingers.

my argument though, in this current state of the flyers where our offense is pretty much as is, any help would be in the form of FA or trading which does not seem to be Hexy's plan, would be too improve defensively enough where you do not need to outscore you opponents, ala the old NJ Devils system-ish.
- sjk540

Wrt the bolded part:

Chances are that the other team will be giving big minutes to their top players. In that's the case, then he will also be playing big minutes by matching up against them, unless I am missing something.

It would need to be Sanheim or Morin + something else pretty good. Nylander and Marner or elite level prospects like a Provorov.
- PhillySportsGuy

Couldn't agree more. It wouldn't do any harm to stir the pot up there, what with them having the first overall pick and dreams of Stamkos dancing in their heads right now. They might be more willing to part with a forward prospect for a D prospect.

I don't think Sanheim for Marner would be a bad swap for either team. At the All Star break Marner was a the 5th rated affiliated forward prospect and Sanheim was the 6th rated D prospect.

You could sweeten it sure but maybe not as much as you might think.

Personally, I think the best way to take pressure of Giroux, is to lessen the burden of taking so many D zone draws. I think he was top 5 in the NHL in number of D zone draws taken. That suggests that the Flyers add a veteran defensive center for the 3rd or 4th line who is capable of taking a good number of those draws off of the responsibility of Giroux. If Couturier is the future, then he needs to be put at center on the 2nd line, and left there, in my opinion. I'd also take Giroux off of the PK, if possible.
- MJL

in the ilk of say an Adam Hall or Blair Betts, and what they used to do. I agree 100%, i say we swap out VDV for a veteran 4th liner, PKer, who is adept at faceoffs. problem solved.

but who is the ?......

Wrt the bolded part:

Chances are that the other team will be giving big minutes to their top players. In that's the case, then he will also be playing big minutes by matching up against them, unless I am missing something.
- jmatchett383

no, not missing anything. its impossible to play him against the top line for every one of their minutes, and on the road games i am sure they will be looking to get out of that situation by trying to get away from the coots line. youre right tho, the more minutes the opponents top guys get, the more he will get. so really by default he is playing 2C mins even if he is placed on 3C.

it just illustrates all that G and Coots do for the team, we need to get them help big time.

My dream is for you to be stuck in a room with Pronman for eternity with the only exit being a door that leads to another room with Frank Servalli in it.
- PhillySportsGuy

gwar...........pubalgia.

Couldn't agree more. It wouldn't do any harm to stir the pot up there, what with them having the first overall pick and dreams of Stamkos dancing in their heads right now. They might be more willing to part with a forward prospect for a D prospect.

I don't think Sanheim for Marner would be a bad swap for either team. At the All Star break Marner was a the 5th rated affiliated forward prospect and Sanheim was the 6th rated D prospect.

You could sweeten it sure but maybe not as much as you might think.
- mayorofangrytown

I think it would probably take Sanheim+18th pick for them to consider it.

Teams are so scared of making prospect deals though.

I think it would probably take Sanheim+18th pick for them to consider it.

Teams are so scared of making prospect deals though.
- PhillySportsGuy

how scared?

how scared?
- hammarby31

Scarder than BigE in Ocean City

I feel like Marner is untouchable.

Kapanen would actually be a nice target...Hagg and a 2nd? That's intriguing for our side. Hagg doesn't have much value right now to other teams though.

you obviously didnt understand what i was saying. I agree he is a 2C. with the current state of scoring being so down, my thought was would it be better to then get even better defensively by placing him at 3C and having strictly an offensive guy at the 2C. So you can cut down a bit of his 5v5 TOI and allow him more to be out there against the top lines to shut them down.

Believe me, Coots is my second favorite flyer behind G, i think this kid is gonna be eventually one of the top 3 two way players in the league, i think he can be a 60 point scorer with more skilled wingers.

my argument though, in this current state of the flyers where our offense is pretty much as is, any help would be in the form of FA or trading which does not seem to be Hexy's plan, would be too improve defensively enough where you do not need to outscore you opponents, ala the old NJ Devils system-ish.
- sjk540

Maybe I didn't understand because it doesnt make sense. We agree that Coots is one of the best players on the Flyers and you suggest reducing his ice time. He is a monster at 5v5 and consistently outscores opponents. You want an "offensive guy at 2C" for what? It doesnt matter if said 2C scores a bunch if he gets scored on just as much. Couturier playing is better for the Flyers and him not playing is better for opponents. It is that simple.

You said it yourself towards the end you want him to have more skilled wingers after suggesting he becomes a 3C? I think the 1, 2, 3 designations are stupid anyway so I wont dwell on that, but he should receiving ice time similar to Girouxs (and eventually passing him) and someone else needs to step up behind him and G to play responsible minutes and outscore opponents

I feel like Marner is untouchable.

Kapanen would actually be a nice target...Hagg and a 2nd? That's intriguing for our side. Hagg doesn't have much value right now to other teams though.
- Mononoke

Marner is all but untouchable.

Scarder than BigE in Ocean City
- PhillySportsGuy

Is that really a thing? I can use that to my advantage, maybe...

(I understand the Blue Laws reference)

Scarder than BigE in Ocean City
- PhillySportsGuy

Scarder than BigE in Ocean City
- PhillySportsGuy

"I'm sorry, what do you mean by "dry town?'"

"Sir, it means we do not allow the sale of alcohol within the limits"

"I'm sorry, what do you mean by "dry town?'"
- jmatchett383

No alcohol sold within city limits? AHHHHHHHHH! NO

"I'm sorry, what do you mean by "dry town?'"

"Sir, it means we do not allow the sale of alcohol within the limits"


- jmatchett383

The Somers Point liquor store just over the 9th street bridge is the most lucrative liquor store in the entire country lol

The Somers Point liquor store just over the 9th street bridge is the most lucrative liquor store in the entire country lol

- MBFlyerfan

Haha, probably. Or right up there with liquor stores on the Delaware side of the DE/MD border.

Scarder than BigE in Ocean City
- PhillySportsGuy

No fear there, Circle Liquors is on the way!

No fear there, Circle Liquors is on the way!

- BiggE

Luke Richardson to interview for Ducks job.

He was someone I would have liked on the Flyers bench as an assistant. Did good work with young Ottawa forwards.

Luke Richardson to interview for Ducks job.

He was someone I would have liked on the Flyers bench as an assistant. Did good work with young Ottawa forwards.
- J35Bacher

Always liked him. I wish he would have gotten his hands on Domi and pummeled him.

Maybe I didn't understand because it doesnt make sense. We agree that Coots is one of the best players on the Flyers and you suggest reducing his ice time. He is a monster at 5v5 and consistently outscores opponents. You want an "offensive guy at 2C" for what? It doesnt matter if said 2C scores a bunch if he gets scored on just as much. Couturier playing is better for the Flyers and him not playing is better for opponents. It is that simple.

You said it yourself towards the end you want him to have more skilled wingers after suggesting he becomes a 3C? I think the 1, 2, 3 designations are stupid anyway so I wont dwell on that, but he should receiving ice time similar to Girouxs (and eventually passing him) and someone else needs to step up behind him and G to play responsible minutes and outscore opponents
- YuenglingJagr

so what you're not understanding is when i say at this moment, the way the flyers are constructed. would you agree we are an offensively hampered team compared to the whole of the league? I would say so. if you do not agree the numbers do. we were 22nd in g/g this year, and averaged 1 goal a game in the playoffs. We also, were top 5 in shots on goal, what does that tell you. currently structured, our players are not taking high % shots, or each individual had their worst S% year of all time, at the same time.

THE WAY THIS TEAM IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED, if we were to endure another year of a lack of offense, i think it would be best to strengthen our defense in order to play and win games when we only score 1, 2 or 3 goals. that doesnt mean reducing his time, it means changing up the strategy in which his minutes are used. he could end up still playing 2C minutes, he could still end up scoring 2C's worth of points (doubtful because of the strategy would limit his offensive zone starts) but im not restricting his ice time, im saying use it differently, and only for this year. i feel like next off season we can position ourselves with our in house talent, as well as the FA front, to add up front. do you remember what it was like to be down 3-1 and feel like we had no shot at coming back? if that game is 2-1 or 1-1, or even 1-0 nothing us, its a lot less daunting. i agree about saying the 1, 2, 3 designations are stupid as well, its just something for fans to see in a graphic before the game, TOI is really the indicator.

i desperately want to put coots with say, schenn and jake all year, but as our team is, we can't afford to waste coots defensive skills. if were not gonna outscore opponents, we need to hold them off the score card = much more defensive zone draws for coots, much more PK time = linemates like laughton/read/raffl/leier?/ = not enough offensive zone starts = not linemates like simmer/schenn/jake/konecny?.