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MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
I personally am not 100% sold on his offensive production as a 2nd line center but I believe he has shown enough that he should get that chance assuming they dont have a better choice.

I do not believe he is or ever will be a 1st line center but I would not be surprised at all to see him do well in a more offensive role.

- opeth_pa



Led the team in even strength scoring while getting the toughest minutes in the league. I'm sold.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
Its not that i dont think he is capable of being the 2C behind G, quite the opposite in fact. However, our scoring is down and we seem like we can't win those high scoring games anymore. now that could be the fact that the system was new and more scoring opportunities were down, not really sure about players individual S%'s, maybe they were very low as well, and hopefully will bounce back to career norms for some of the guys. But we played the most OT games this year, played A LOT of one goal games in addition, i think it would behoove us to get even better defensively if we wont be scoring.

now if our scoring can go up, im all for coots as a 2C. but playing both G and coots top 6 minutes, while also both being integral parts of special teams, less G in recent years but he still plays some if one of the PK guys are in the box for the penalty, its not a great recipe.

you saw G this year be absolutely worn out, you cant be wearing out your biggest offensive weapon. and coots would have if he wasn't injured. taking pressure off of G i think is the biggest thing we can do, as previously mentioned and previously re-mentioned.

- sjk540



Sean Couturier was the best 5v5 point producer on this team this season. Stop it with the 2c/3c scoring crap. they need another center behind Giroux and Couturier
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
Eh without The Misfits who knows if their would be an AFI. I can still put on Walk Among Us and those songs hold up to me..I get it though..

I just got my tickets to This Is Hardcore 16 solely for the reason of seeing the Turning Point tribute and not to see YoT or Gorilla Biscuits neither of which hold up for me.

- opeth_pa


I haven't gone to TIH since 2014, whichever year Gwar played. If they made it a 2-day fest, it would be cool, but too much filler.

I never ever liked YoT (Ray's voice). I've seen GB twice, once with Murphy's Law, which was bad, and once at TIH, which I loved. I'd go to see the TP reunion, but the $$ isn't worth it for me.

And yes, there may be no AFI or Tiger Army (we'd be better off) without the Misfits...but that's the same as saying there'd be no Metallica without Deep Purple.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 12 @ 11:41 AM ET
Its sounding that way...

What happens (at least what we kind of understand as of now) is that when you have this FAI (Femoral Acetabular Impingement) you are unable to have full motion of the hip. Where the head of the Femur meets the neck, there is usually a concavity, however with people who have an FAI, they tend to lack the usual curve, and instead have a bump that hits the socket of the joint (acetabulum) and causes a bunch of issues. The first and most common problem is discomfort and decreased range of motion. Labral tears are also very common.

The idea is that because of this mechanical error of the hip, it causes you to use other areas in the pelvic region to achieve the multi-directional changes needed in elite competition. That change/ over-exertion then leads to athletic pubalgia better known as a sports hernia. Basically, because of the lack of mobility in the hip, your core muscles, primarily those in the groin area, are over worked, and tear -usually the tendon area -and cause the hernia. This leads to other muscles being over used/tearing and the domino effect of a sports hernia is under way...

Sorry for the book, but hope this helps some people understand this foreign language.

- jak521



jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
And we'd be losing multiple lotto tickets to get one.
- Feanor


Not necessarily. If they'd do the #8 pick for the #18 (or 17, I thought second round counted) and roster players/prospects, then you're not.

Also, the #8 "lotto" pick is worth more, on average, the the #18 "lotto" pick, so they're weighted.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 12 @ 11:45 AM ET
Not necessarily. If they'd do the #8 pick for the #18 (or 17, I thought second round counted) and roster players/prospects, then you're not.

Also, the #8 "lotto" pick is worth more, on average, the the #18 "lotto" pick, so they're weighted.

- jmatchett383


Prospects are lotto tickets, too. And Chychrun isn't worth trading up for.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

May 12 @ 11:46 AM ET
I really like Tyler Benson, he's definitely one of the biggest high risk/high reward type players. been injured in the past, which is why his draft stock has slipped. I would love to take a shot on him in the late first, maybe package our 2's or a 2, 3, 4 to get back in the to end of the first?
- sjk540


I like him as well and agreed on high risk high reward. Not sure what it would take but maybe start with dangling Hagg and our 2nd or 3rd picks.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 12 @ 11:47 AM ET
And Chychrun isn't worth trading up for.
- Feanor


He smells a bit like Mike Komisarek/a better version of Sam Morin.
sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
Sean Couturier was the best 5v5 point producer on this team this season. Stop it with the 2c/3c scoring crap. they need another center behind Giroux and Couturier
- YuenglingJagr


huh? i know they need another center behind those 2, but who?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
My dream is for you to be stuck in a room with Pronman for eternity with the only exit being a door that leads to another room with Frank Servalli in it.
- PhillySportsGuy


I'd rather see Pronman try and explain his delusions to someone like Meltzer. He didn't even have Ghost in his top 100 prospects a year ago.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...-Hockey-and-More/45/70442

I agree with those who have opined that the recently released ESPN rankings of NHL prospects are mystifying. If the views of scouts across the pro ranks were the Wrigley Field ballpark, some of the ESPN ratings wouldn't just be out beyond the ivy in the left field bleachers they'd be on Waveland Avenue outside the stadium.

For instance, in ordinal rankings, they have the Flyers top four prospects as Travis Konecny (18th overall), Ivan Provorov (31st overall), Oskar Lindblom (46th overall), and Travis Sanheim (68th). From there, Shayne Gostisbehere, Robert Hägg and Samuel Morin were honorable mentions.

While Lindblom is an intriguing sleeper prospect who has improved by leaps and bounds over the past year --especially in the skating department -- I have not spoken to a single NHL scout who would presently rank the muscular winger above Sanheim. Ditto Konecny and Provorov; which is certainly not a knock on the NHL potential of the highly skilled and feisty forward Konecny but rather an affirmation of how highly regarded Provorov is as an NHL defense prospect.

No NHL team would have taken Konecny above Provorov as the "best player available" on the board in June. Less than two months later, nothing would have changed. Meanwhile, if there was a theoretical redrafting of the 2014 NHL Draft, there's no doubt Lindblom would go much higher than the fifth round. He'd probably go in the second round (which was the consensus of where he was pegged prior to a down year in 2013-14). Would he go higher than Sanheim, who has done nothing but continue to improve since the Flyers drafted him 17th overall last year? Absolutely not.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 11:48 AM ET
Prospects are lotto tickets, too. And Chychrun isn't worth trading up for.
- Feanor


Well, we differ on that. Yes, we have a lot of LHD, but to me, if you ice 4 great LHD, that's not an issue.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 12 @ 11:52 AM ET
I'd rather see Pronman try and explain his delusions to someone like Meltzer. He didn't even have Ghost in his top 100 prospects a year ago.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...-Hockey-and-More/45/70442

- Feanor


I'm not saying I agree with him. I just find your hate for him amusing.

I've never really been a fan of his rankings, but I do find many of his articles interesting.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 12 @ 11:54 AM ET
huh? i know they need another center behind those 2, but who?
- sjk540


Laughton, Cousins, Konecny...who knows...the point is that Coots isnt the problem. He is actually one of the Flyers best players and there are plenty of people here that still think he should be a "3C"...its old
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 11:56 AM ET
Laughton, Cousins, Konecny...who knows...the point is that Coots isnt the problem. He is actually one of the Flyers best players and there are plenty of people here that still think he should be a "3C"...its old
- YuenglingJagr


Rinaldo
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
Rinaldo
- jmatchett383


doesnt have the size
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 11:58 AM ET
doesnt have the size
- YuenglingJagr


But has the N R G
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
But has the N R G
- jmatchett383


im sorry sir, that phrase is trademarked
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 12 @ 12:02 PM ET
Led the team in even strength scoring while getting the toughest minutes in the league. I'm sold.
- MBFlyerfan


Who are we talking about?
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

May 12 @ 12:03 PM ET
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 1h1 hour ago
At Glou. Cath assembly, Gaudreau says he hopes to play a lot of seasons in Calgary, but would love to play for Flyers at end of his career.



Get him here now Hexy.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 12 @ 12:09 PM ET
I haven't gone to TIH since 2014, whichever year Gwar played. If they made it a 2-day fest, it would be cool, but too much filler.

I never ever liked YoT (Ray's voice). I've seen GB twice, once with Murphy's Law, which was bad, and once at TIH, which I loved. I'd go to see the TP reunion, but the $$ isn't worth it for me.

And yes, there may be no AFI or Tiger Army (we'd be better off) without the Misfits...but that's the same as saying there'd be no Metallica without Deep Purple.

- jmatchett383



Yah..Ray's voice in YoT never worked for me either..Different story with Shelter .

Im lucky having grown up in the prime of all those bands..I have seen Turning Point, Judge, Mouthpiece , Burn, Quicksand, Supertouch, GB a billion times between City Gardens, Revival , the old Middlesex County College shows..

I thought last month was like I was 20 again as I got to see Judge, Mouthpiece, Burn live...was weird seeing all the young kids and the 40 year old dudes stage diving.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 12 @ 12:12 PM ET
Well, we differ on that. Yes, we have a lot of LHD, but to me, if you ice 4 great LHD, that's not an issue.
- jmatchett383


Moving from 18 to 8 won't be cheap.

http://www.broadstreethoc...683/nhl-draft-trade-value

Buffalo are also desperately in need of a high end LHD prospect.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 12 @ 12:13 PM ET
I've never really been a fan of his rankings, but I do find many of his articles interesting.
- PhillySportsGuy


I prefer it when people just ape McKenzie's consensus rankings verbatim.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
Led the team in even strength scoring while getting the toughest minutes in the league. I'm sold.
- MBFlyerfan


We could go back and forth but the game isnt just played at ES.

I think he is a viable 2nd line center and I am more than comfortable starting the season with him in that position assuming no other drastic changes on the team.

That isn't me saying he is horrible, that isn't me saying he is great. It's me saying I think he is a solid 2nd line center that could either produce more or show he is best served in a shut down role.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

May 12 @ 12:16 PM ET
My dream is for you to be stuck in a room with Pronman for eternity with the only exit being a door that leads to another room with Frank Servalli in it.
- PhillySportsGuy


Sartre wrote a play about this I think
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 12 @ 12:16 PM ET
We could go back and forth but the game isnt just played at ES.

I think he is a viable 2nd line center and I am more than comfortable starting the season with him in that position assuming no other drastic changes on the team.

That isn't me saying he is horrible, that isn't me saying he is great. It's me saying I think he is a solid 2nd line center that could either produce more or show he is best served in a shut down role.

- opeth_pa


He paced for 51 points total. That includes ES, PP and SH. That's easily 2C production.
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