It is amazing.

But Alzner for sure and probably some other Caps were playing through injuries as well.

Can never have too much depth this time of the year.
- Marc D

Ain't that the truth, just look at the Flyers D in 04 if you want a good example

Giles' ERA almost at 8.00 in 16 appearances for HOU. Just fyi

It is amazing.

But Alzner for sure and probably some other Caps were playing through injuries as well.

Can never have too much depth this time of the year.
- Marc D

esp on defense. 2004 still nags at me

Giles' ERA almost at 8.00 in 16 appearances for HOU. Just fyi
- Giroux_Is_God

BTW....Turner Field is a dump next to a project and I am sure the Braves cant wait to move

Pronman values forwards more than defenseman because he believes they affect the game more. He also puts a high degree of value on hockey IQ, skill and speed. Places very little emphasis on size unless the player uses it to his advantage. Also, GMs around the league will bump a guy up if he's closer to being NHL. Pronoun's rankings are more based on how good a player will be. A guy like Tkachuk is more NHL ready than Keller, but Keller probably has more upside (he's a about a year younger than Tkachuk).
- PhillySportsGuy

Which is why he had Rocco Grimaldi over Landeskog in 2011.

Agreed, they need both a quality offensive LW and another good center to compliment Giroux and Coots before they can really become a contender.
- BiggE

Amen to the center especially. G is at that point in his career where he likely will start to head towards 2C production in the next couple of years and Couts is capable of only so much.

Agreed, they need both a quality offensive LW and another good center to compliment Giroux and Coots before they can really become a contender.
- BiggE

Would love to see Backes here, would make an excellent addition to the team the way its set up. however, the money and term will be astronomical and wouldnt fit our plans. Is there another cheap FA option? Do we have anyone in house to fill that role? Nick Cousins seems to be growing a bit, but he doesn't have nearly the effect on a game a Backes or Stamkos has. How bout Laughton? Do we try him back at center and move cousins to center white and PEB on the 4th line? So many questions my head is spinning.

So right about the Flyers choice BPA would be either Luke Kunin (C), Mikhail Sergachyov (D), Tyler Benson (LW) and Jake Bean (D). The only ones I've heard of are the two D men and really either would be an OK choice if we went BPA.
- dragonoffrost

I've been using this site for a few years and I think they do a good job of predicting what will happen. They have Bean and Sergachyov going well before our pick.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Which is why he had Rocco Grimaldi over Landeskog in 2011.
- Feanor

Everybody is hit and miss. It's just fun to debate about it.

Would love to see Backes here, would make an excellent addition to the team the way its set up. however, the money and term will be astronomical and wouldnt fit our plans. Is there another cheap FA option? Do we have anyone in house to fill that role? Nick Cousins seems to be growing a bit, but he doesn't have nearly the effect on a game a Backes or Stamkos has. How bout Laughton? Do we try him back at center and move cousins to center white and PEB on the 4th line? So many questions my head is spinning.


- sjk540

Hard pass on Backes

Hard pass on Backes
- PhillySportsGuy

Any reason? Other than the contract he will demand obviously.

Everybody is hit and miss. It's just fun to debate about it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Pronman is a lot more miss than hit. Grimaldi is far from the only undersized forward he's fell in love with.

Meanwhile, he didn't have Ghost in his top 100 prospects before this season.

Any reason? Other than the contract he will demand obviously.
- sjk540

His production is tailing off and I don't want the Flyers to pay him for the back end of his career. There is a realistic possibility that Cousins' next 4 years could be better than Backes' next 4 years.

Assuming everyone gets healthy, I think the Flyers will be decent next year, but they won't be cup contenders until the young defenseman truly emerge. When you sign a guy in his early 30s, you're accepting the fact that you will be overpaying the player for the last 1-3 years of the deal, but it's ok because you're really doing that to get the production during the front end of the deal (think Mark Streit).

For a player like Backes, there will only be 0-2 years where he's still effective AND the window is open for the Flyers to win a cup. That's why I don't really want them going after guys like Eriksson or Lucic either. The league is also unkind to aging players without a high degree of skill, which is a category Backes falls into.

Better for the Flyers to make minimal moves this year and continue the growth internally. Maybe use the cap space to acquire more assets (#Hinkie) or to move a guy for a better return (#Hexy).

The Flyers are in a good position this year in that they have money, draft picks and some flexibility. It's important they be selective and find guys who fit the long term trajectory. If they can't find anyone like that, then so be it.

Amen to the center especially. G is at that point in his career where he likely will start to head towards 2C production in the next couple of years and Couts is capable of only so much.
- isaiah520

2C production is around the 45 point area. I don't see Giroux's scoring production falling towards that level in the next few seasons. In fact if the Flyers can tweak the roster and adjust his usage, take less D zone draws and more O zone starts, I can see his offensive production move up slightly into the 80 point range in the next few years, especially as the team get's better.

Pronman is a lot more miss than hit. Grimaldi is far from the only undersized forward he's fell in love with.

Meanwhile, he didn't have Ghost in his top 100 prospects before this season.
- Feanor

My dream is for you to be stuck in a room with Pronman for eternity with the only exit being a door that leads to another room with Frank Servalli in it.

His production is tailing off and I don't want the Flyers to pay him for the back end of his career. There is a realistic possibility that Cousins' next 4 years could be better than Backes' next 4 years.

Assuming everyone gets healthy, I think the Flyers will be decent next year, but they won't be cup contenders until the young defenseman truly emerge. When you sign a guy in his early 30s, you're accepting the fact that you will be overpaying the player for the last 1-3 years of the deal, but it's ok because you're really doing that to get the production during the front end of the deal (think Mark Streit).

For a player like Backes, there will only be 0-2 years where he's still effective AND the window is open for the Flyers to win a cup. That's why I don't really want them going after guys like Eriksson or Lucic either. The league is also unkind to aging players without a high degree of skill, which is a category Backes falls into.

Better for the Flyers to make minimal moves this year and continue the growth internally. Maybe use the cap space to acquire more assets (#Hinkie) or to move a guy for a better return (#Hexy).

The Flyers are in a good position this year in that they have money, draft picks and some flexibility. It's important they be selective and find guys who fit the long term trajectory. If they can't find anyone like that, then so be it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Right, fully agree with everything you're saying, I'm not actually interested in signing him, unless it was for a 2 year deal which, knowing the market, he will get at least 4.

my point, is that how the flyers are currently structured, i think backes would be a great complement to the team, to slot into that 2C spot, and do we have anyone in house that resembles that game or is there a cheaper FA that can do it, albeit less than Backes can? I love coots as a 2C, dont get me wrong. But he is only 23, he has plenty of time to put together his offensive tool kit. Moving him back to a third line shutdown role and giving him some 2nd unit PP time would be awesome, so he could focus on the PK while shutting other top units down. I wouldve loved Gagner to realize the potential he had coming out all those years ago, and have a lineup look like:

10 - 28 - 17
12 - 89 - 93
21 - 14 - 24/Konecny
78 - 52 - 25

Wishful thinking tho

Explains exactly what we saw from Giroux.

Im sure his bashers will show up with their keyboard warrior tough guy play through it BS but to anyone with any knowledge of Giroux it was clear he looked like a shell of what he has been.

I think MJL said it best early in this thread..they need to find a way to take the load off Giroux some.

My dream is for you to be stuck in a room with Pronman for eternity with the only exit being a door that leads to another room with Frank Servalli in it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Woah..Spoiler alert for next release of SAW movies please.

He already tried to do the surgery but the doctors had to intervene
- Giroux_Is_God

Pavelski got through 75% of the surgery but choked.

Hard pass on Backes
- PhillySportsGuy

vlc 2.0

(well probably not that bad, but not worth the 4-5 yr deal he is going to get)

Hard pass on Backes
- PhillySportsGuy

I think his age of 32 makes it a bit harder to go for him vs say someone that is 26..

Someone should tell Joe

lol

I've been using this site for a few years and I think they do a good job of predicting what will happen. They have Bean and Sergachyov going well before our pick.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
- Feanor

If Jakob Chychrun falls to #8. I'd go hard after him. I think he'll be, if nothing more, better than his dad.

Everybody is hit and miss. It's just fun to debate about it.
- PhillySportsGuy

so so fun

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Giroux, WHL Finals, Flyers Alumni
- bmeltzer

Anyone who has been watching all season knows that G was the reason we made the playoffs along with Ghost with pkayers like Simmonds and Schenn stepping up. G was getting beaten to death by players on our road to the playoffs. Then we made the playoffs and he slowed down.

There was some newbie just letting G have it in the playoffs, William whatever. The kid was totally uninformed and obviously wasn't paying attention.