Trading up to #2 would cost a ton. You're looking at Lindholm, Ritchie, Montour, and a 3rd and 4th round pick in the draft. Winnipeg knows what they have, that there's huge demand, and to quote a disgraced Chicago mayor, "I've got this thing and it's f*&kin' golden. I'm just not giving it up for nothing."
- tkecanuck341

Yeah but we're going to lose good players in the expansion draft . Might as well get something for them . But fan can dream right .

Yeah but we're going to lose good players in the expansion draft . Might as well get something for them . But fan can dream right .
- Eman87654

You're going to lose 1 good player in the expansion draft. It will likely be Rakell or Montour. So to combat that you're going to trade away 3 quality prospects and a couple picks for one player who might not even work out?

You're going to lose 1 good player in the expansion draft. It will likely be Rakell or Montour. So to combat that you're going to trade away 3 quality prospects and a couple picks for one player who might not even work out?
- tkecanuck341

Depends . Im not very good with prospect analysis . But if you beleave hes as good as eichil or Matthews then you have to think about it . What most fans don't understand is there is only so many minutes in a game . Those 3 players combined may contribute more overall total points but how many minutes do they need to do it . Lets take montour for instance . He's in san diego . And he's going to remain in san diego for the foreseeable future until a spot opens up . We are so deep its ridiculous . So why not capilize on his value .

Depends . Im not very good with prospect analysis . But if you beleave hes as good as eichil or Matthews then you have to think about it . What most fans don't understand is there is only so many minutes in a game . Those 3 players combined may contribute more overall total points but how many minutes do they need to do it . Lets take montour for instance . He's in san diego . And he's going to remain in san diego for the foreseeable future until a spot opens up . We are so deep its ridiculous . So why not capilize on his value .
- Eman87654

What??????

What??????
- quackup

Talking about trading for patrick laine .

Hey guys look . Trades for generatial players don't happen often . Look at the tyler segin trade . That was a seven player deal . Dallas gave up 4 players . But they got segin and 2 scrubs and came out winners .

Hey guys look . Trades for generatial players don't happen often . Look at the tyler segin trade . That was a seven player deal . Dallas gave up 4 players . But they got segin and 2 scrubs and came out winners .
- Eman87654

Laine is not a generational player. A generational player means that there's only one or possibly two players on that level in a generation. Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Wayne Gretzky, Sidney Crosby, and Connor McDavid are generational talents. Laine isn't even going to go first overall in his draft year. He's a potential franchise forward, but even that isn't for sure at this juncture.

If there was a trade to be made to acquire a draft pick for a potential franchise defenseman, then I'd say you should consider trading several key pieces for it, since that has been the Achilles heel of the Ducks since Niedermeyer retired, and bona fide #1 defensemen are very hard to come by. Since he's not, the potential reward is not worth what the Ducks would have to give up to acquire the #2 pick.

Laine is not a generational player. A generational player means that there's only one or possibly two players on that level in a generation. Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Wayne Gretzky, Sidney Crosby, and Connor McDavid are generational talents. Laine isn't even going to go first overall in his draft year. He's a potential franchise forward, but even that isn't for sure at this juncture.

If there was a trade to be made to acquire a draft pick for a potential franchise defenseman, then I'd say you should consider trading several key pieces for it, since that has been the Achilles heel of the Ducks since Niedermeyer retired, and bona fide #1 defensemen are very hard to come by. Since he's not, the potential reward is not worth what the Ducks would have to give up to acquire the #2 pick.
- tkecanuck341

Ohhh . You thinking too much about the past . You have to think foward . Like cosider our depth chart . We have plenty of young d men to use over the next few years . But our foward depth is bad . Trading for a d man like say shea weber won't get us that much futher because the guy he'd be replacing is good a dman . But if your replace our 2nd line center from last year with a allstar caliber center then you get a big upgrade .

Talking about trading for patrick laine .
- Eman87654

The comment was made we're going to lose ONE player in the expansion draft. That's it. Your response made no sense at all. Thus, why I asked "what". I know what the original question was.

Ohhh . You thinking too much about the past . You have to think foward . Like cosider our depth chart . We have plenty of young d men to use over the next few years . But our foward depth is bad . Trading for a d man like say shea weber won't get us that much futher because the guy he'd be replacing is good a dman . But if your replace our 2nd line center from last year with a allstar caliber center then you get a big upgrade .
- Eman87654

YOU just answered your own question as to why it would be a bad move to trade Rakell to try and get Laine. What makes you think Rakell isn't of "allstare caliber" going forward? And who is to say Laine is? Also, from what I gather, Laine is a winger. He doesn't play C. Please confirm he plays C.

Ohhh . You thinking too much about the past . You have to think foward . Like cosider our depth chart . We have plenty of young d men to use over the next few years . But our foward depth is bad . Trading for a d man like say shea weber won't get us that much futher because the guy he'd be replacing is good a dman . But if your replace our 2nd line center from last year with a allstar caliber center then you get a big upgrade .
- Eman87654

Your first line center is a potential Hart trophy candidate every year. Your second line center from this season is a Selke trophy nominee right now. Your third line center is young and promising. I'm not sure what's wrong with your center depth. Like quackup said, Laine is a RW, not a center, so that point is moot anyway.

No one said to trade for Shea Weber. I said that if there was a potential franchise defenseman at the top of this year's draft class, then it might be worth trading up in the draft to get him. However, trading several promising NHL-ready assets to acquire an 18-year old winger right now will cause more harm than good.

Your first line center is a potential Hart trophy candidate every year. Your second line center from this season is a Selke trophy nominee right now. Your third line center is young and promising. I'm not sure what's wrong with your center depth. Like quackup said, Laine is a RW, not a center, so that point is moot anyway.

No one said to trade for Shea Weber. I said that if there was a potential franchise defenseman at the top of this year's draft class, then it might be worth trading up in the draft to get him. However, trading several promising NHL-ready assets to acquire an 18-year old winger right now will cause more harm than good.
- tkecanuck341

I'm saying there is a problem . We can't expect getzlaf, perry, or kesler to keep playing the minutes they have been playing and prouducing the points they have been have been producing . There getting older . And in that that series with Nashville they looked really old . And the supporting cast wasn't good enough to to take pressure off of them. Our fowards got out played in that series in my opinion buy Nashvilles fowards . And our younger fowards like Rakell, silverburg, ritchie are going to be hard pressed to pick up the slack in the next few years . So i propose we need a young impact player to help them . Weather its laine or not is the question . There are other options . But we'll see . But if we don't address this i bealeave we will go down the same path as Vancouver. They have a aging core with not enough yong players to support them .

I'm saying there is a problem . We can't expect getzlaf, perry, or kesler to keep playing the minutes they have been playing and prouducing the points they have been have been producing . There getting older . And in that that series with Nashville they looked really old . And the supporting cast wasn't good enough to to take pressure off of them. Our fowards got out played in that series in my opinion buy Nashvilles fowards . And our younger fowards like Rakell, silverburg, ritchie are going to be hard pressed to pick up the slack in the next few years . So i propose we need a young impact player to help them . Weather its laine or not is the question . There are other options . But we'll see . But if we don't address this i bealeave we will go down the same path as Vancouver. They have a aging core with not enough yong players to support them .
- Eman87654

We lost to Nashville in 7. They were a very good team, that also took San Jose to 7 games before losing. We had key players out (Rakell, Perron) that came back probably too soon. You could tell they were off.

Relax. The sky isn't falling. How do you know Boudreau wasn't the problem? Now, I'm not suggesting he was, but we don't know. Maybe the new coach will be a better playoff coach. While I agree Getz, Perry, and Kes aren't getting any younger, #10 and #15 just turned 31. Kesler will be 32. They're still fine.

To suggest Rakell, Ritchie aren't going to improve is short sighted at best. Of course they are. Silf probably will too. So will Lindholm, Theodore, Gibson, Fowler/Vatanen (think we'll only have 1 going forward), etc. This team will be fine. The D depth is the envy of many clubs.

Yes we lost. Yes it sucked. But to suggest this team is in some sort of free fall is wrong. I think our Cup window is still open, and will be open for another few years. Takes a good team and a lot of good bounces to go all the way. Not easy, that's why they say it's the hardest trophy to win. Ducks will be in the mix.

We lost to Nashville in 7. They were a very good team, that also took San Jose to 7 games before losing. We had key players out (Rakell, Perron) that came back probably too soon. You could tell they were off.

Relax. The sky isn't falling. How do you know Boudreau wasn't the problem? Now, I'm not suggesting he was, but we don't know. Maybe the new coach will be a better playoff coach. While I agree Getz, Perry, and Kes aren't getting any younger, #10 and #15 just turned 31. Kesler will be 32. They're still fine.

To suggest Rakell, Ritchie aren't going to improve is short sighted at best. Of course they are. Silf probably will too. So will Lindholm, Theodore, Gibson, Fowler/Vatanen (think we'll only have 1 going forward), etc. This team will be fine. The D depth is the envy of many clubs.

Yes we lost. Yes it sucked. But to suggest this team is in some sort of free fall is wrong. I think our Cup window is still open, and will be open for another few years. Takes a good team and a lot of good bounces to go all the way. Not easy, that's why they say it's the hardest trophy to win. Ducks will be in the mix.
- quackup

I like the BB take. If you need conformation of that. Go north to San Jose and see a team that has constantly lost in the playoffs and a coaching change has them up 2-1 in the conference finals. I agree he might or might not be the problem. Next year will tell. If the Paulrus gets the job i do like what he did with the special teams this year. He has my vote as of right now. I know his playoff record isn't all the good either though.

Congrats to Corey Perry. Neidermeyer is in good company.