What? Horton's contract does not count against the cap... He's LTIR. So how would this hamper the leafs in any way?
- Dozzer

I seem to recall someone suggesting that it can play havoc with your cap in the summer - something about you can't have a guy on LTIR during the summer. So although you can exceed cap by 10%, it still may be a factor.

Note: I don't know if this is true or not - just passing it along.

1.2 Million is 1.2 million add on the Gleason and Gunnerson contracts and we are sitting at like 3.3 million in wasted cap space. The fact that they could move Clarkson and Dion without retaining and not Kessel is mind boggling
- orienbrady22

Except Gunnarson's hit comes off the books after this season.

Gleason's buyout ends 2 seasons from now... Right when the first batch of young guys are coming off their ELCs

Wow... It's almost like they planned it or something.

Different circumstances.
- BetterCallSaul

It is what it is. I'm pretty sure the general consensus when the trade came out was that we didn't get enough but at least Kessel was gone and that was the main thing which i agree with.

I seem to recall someone suggesting that it can play havoc with your cap in the summer - something about you can't have a guy on LTIR during the summer. So although you can exceed cap by 10%, it still may be a factor.

Note: I don't know if this is true or not - just passing it along.
- Atomic Wedgie

I don't know either... But on the same token teams don't have to be cap compliant until pretty much right before the season starts no?

I seem to recall someone suggesting that it can play havoc with your cap in the summer - something about you can't have a guy on LTIR during the summer. So although you can exceed cap by 10%, it still may be a factor.

Note: I don't know if this is true or not - just passing it along.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wasn't it you Wedgie that said the Leafs will never have a cap problem when it comes to signing players?

I normally don't put too much stock into crap like this.

Except...

I attended a coaches' clinic put on by the Leafs in around October of last year.

At the end of it, Shanny was taking questions from the audience.

One guy stood up and said that he wasn't supposed to be the coach of his kid's team that year, but the coach's son got called up a level, so he sort of inherited the team.

Dude went on to say that there was a lot of things ingrained in the culture of the team that he didn't like, and wanted to change, but he was worried about being the guy who came in and disrupted what a lot of other families had built. So he asked Shanny if he had any advice, since he was trying to effect culture change.

Shanny paused, looked at the guy and said, "I don't know what the rules of your league are, but can you trade anyone to Pittsburgh?"

I poop you not.

And then Shanny smiled and said something like, "that's going to get me in trouble."

So you know I thought that Kessel took unfair criticism here. You know my feelings on a) Leafs Nation hating our best players and b) Canadians hating wingers.

But yeah, sometimes where there's smoke there's fire. And Shanny was sure sending out smoke signals that day.
- Atomic Wedgie

Did you read the article I linked to about Kessel?

Cup contending teams typically overspend the cap, not underspend – cap circumventing contracts, leverage other teams salary caps (salary rentention, trade deadline acquisitions), ltir guys until the playoffs etc.

The differences between teams at the top are so minimal. To put your team over the top, you need every dollar working for you and then some.

So yes, to me, $1.2M is a big deal.
- Tumbleweed

The Leafs will not be in any cap problems for a minimal of 6-7 years. Nylander, Marner, Matthews will all be RFAs until then. Just like I said to the other guy, stop overreacting.

What? Horton's contract does not count against the cap... He's LTIR. So how would this hamper the leafs in any way?
- Dozzer

LTIR allows you to overspend the cap … problem is LTIR space is not bankable during the year, but actual cap space is.

At the TDL, teams typically have space to add players that they wouldn’t be able to at the beginning of the year. The leafs won’t be in that situation if they are using Horton’s LTIR space.

The Leafs will not be in any cap problems for a minimal of 6-7 years. Nylander, Marner, Matthews will all be RFAs until then. Just like I said to the other guy, stop overreacting.
- Steven_Seagull

we'll be adding UFA's or players by trade.

Leafs will be a cap team well before 6-7 years.

So Corey Pronman is now putting Laine ahead of Matthews. Garth alert. Garth alert. Garth alert.

we'll be adding UFA's or players by trade.

Leafs will be a cap team well before 6-7 years.
- Tumbleweed

And what will the salary cap be by then? 88? 90? 1.2 is nothing.

LTIR allows you to overspend the cap … problem is LTIR space is not bankable during the year, but actual cap space is.

At the TDL, teams typically have space to add players that they wouldn’t be able to at the beginning of the year. The leafs won’t be in that situation if they are using Horton’s LTIR space.
- Tumbleweed

Can you give an example? I'm not following...even a hypothetical example.

I don't remember any issues when we had Savard on LTIR, whether when it was signing UFAs or at the trade deadline.

So Corey Pronman is now putting Laine ahead of Matthews. Garth alert. Garth alert. Garth alert.
- Canada Cup

With them being pretty close, I can't see the Leafs passing on the centre, they need them so badly.

LTIR allows you to overspend the cap … problem is LTIR space is not bankable during the year, but actual cap space is.

At the TDL, teams typically have space to add players that they wouldn’t be able to at the beginning of the year. The leafs won’t be in that situation if they are using Horton’s LTIR space.
- Tumbleweed

Ok I might be misunderstanding this but a team can apply the LTIR space as soon as they get close to the cap ceiling... At any point of the year except the summer?

I won't deny that I might have this wrong.

The Leafs will not be in any cap problems for a minimal of 6-7 years. Nylander, Marner, Matthews will all be RFAs until then. Just like I said to the other guy, stop overreacting.
- Steven_Seagull

They might be pushing the cap trying to win a cup in 5-6 years and that 1.2 Mill could be the difference in gaining that final big piece. Plain and simple it hurts the team for 6 years and yes it does matter.

And what will the salary cap be by then? 88? 90? 1.2 is nothing.
- Steven_Seagull

If the cap does go up players will make more. The cap going up doesn't stop the Leafs from spending to it.

Can you give an example? I'm not following...even a hypothetical example.

I don't remember any issues when we had Savard on LTIR, whether when it was signing UFAs or at the trade deadline.
- RickJames77

These guys exlain well.

http://www.broadstreethoc...jured-reserve-is-not-good

Ok I might be misunderstanding this but a team can apply the LTIR space as soon as they get close to the cap ceiling... At any point of the year except the summer?

I won't deny that I might have this wrong.
- Dozzer

I'm a little confused now too


yayayaya I know , "That's not hard to do to you RJ"

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/phil-kessel-called-out-by-leafs-coach-for-rejecting-gameplan-130649936.html
- LeafMan

oh right that stuff from Feschuk ...

They might be pushing the cap trying to win a cup in 5-6 years and that 1.2 Mill could be the difference in gaining that final big piece. Plain and simple it hurts the team for 6 years and yes it does matter.
- orienbrady22

Nope.

These guys exlain well.

http://www.broadstreethoc...jured-reserve-is-not-good
- Tumbleweed

To be honest, this was what I thought you meant, but wasn't sure.

oh right that stuff from Feschuk ...
- senstroll

Spott confirmed he had asked Kessel to change his defensive breakouts, this actually happened.

LTIR allows you to overspend the cap … problem is LTIR space is not bankable during the year, but actual cap space is.

At the TDL, teams typically have space to add players that they wouldn’t be able to at the beginning of the year. The leafs won’t be in that situation if they are using Horton’s LTIR space.
- Tumbleweed

so you're saying we should've kept Clarkson bc of the fact it would create extra capspace during season (as opposed to whole season)...?
very logical...

With them being pretty close, I can't see the Leafs passing on the centre, they need them so badly.
- LeafMan

Agreed. Also, the only reason I bet this happening is due to production at the worlds.

Where Laine actually gets to play with quality linemates and Matthews gets at best fringe NHLers

LTIR allows you to overspend the cap … problem is LTIR space is not bankable during the year, but actual cap space is.

At the TDL, teams typically have space to add players that they wouldn’t be able to at the beginning of the year. The leafs won’t be in that situation if they are using Horton’s LTIR space.
- Tumbleweed

If the time comes when the leafs need to add a player at the deadline, they put Horton on ltir and have 5mil in cap space.