Obviously missing my point, and honestly, bottom 6/9 shouldn't be competing. Simmer, Voracek, and G are not in the bottom 6/9 in my opinion. Obv not coots or schenn. But there should still be heavy competition for pretty much every defensemen, every goalie, and about 2/3's of the forwards.

more subtle displays of sarcasm go further bro
- sjk540

So which veterans do have to compete hard for spots, and which players can coast through camp?

News flash bro: Most veterans go about 1/2 speed in camp and preseason. Not the best way to make a roster based on their play. It's more for the rookies/fringe guys to get a spot.

If Neuvirth is on his game, there aren't many goalies who can be head and shoulders better than him, so I don't think that's realistic.
- MJL

Yeah, but I would say the same about Mason, and with the statistics to show when he's on his game, and has more of a proven track record than Neuvirth. Also, injuries being a problem for both goalies noted, Neuvy hasn't finished more than 48 games in any year he has played, Mason has multiple times, and has been a starter longer than Neuvy has. He's also a year younger and has been with the team going on his fourth year, is entrenched firmly in the nucleus of this team for sure.

Its not guaranteed Mason would get 6 million on the open market, much less from us. I think 5-5.5 (tops) does it for the right amount of term. Mason turned his game around here and seems very happy here, not saying there will be any hometown discount, but I think 6 is a bit high.

The fancy stats say they were outplayed at even strength, though the numbers are skewed a bit by game 5
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, score-adjusted CF of 45.92% is not really even, much less outplaying anybody. Although considering no-Coots and the dcorps being bad, I'm surprised it was even that close.

So which veterans do have to compete hard for spots, and which players can coast through camp?

News flash bro: Most veterans go about 1/2 speed in camp and preseason. Not the best way to make a roster based on their play. It's more for the rookies/fringe guys to get a spot.
- jmatchett383

pretty sure all of the defensemen are competing, especially schultz, streit, AMac, manning, Gudas. Id say Ghost and MDZ are the only safe ones and you have to be MDZ is totally fine from the injury. In that case, you'll have guys like Morin, Hagg, Alt, Provorov, and Sanheim going equally as hard.

on offense you'll have guys like cousins, raffl, laughton, VDV, PEB, and white, read, konecny, leier, fazleev, NAK, etc.

The fact is, there are plenty of spots open both defensively and offensively for players who deserve to be there, the young guys will have to outwork the old guys, thats directly from Hexy's mouth. In turn, the old guys will have to prove they don't belong in the press box or the AHL. maybe not dial it up to playoff efforts, as you have made it seem i meant exactly that, but there has to be at least a modicum of a challenge to some of the players in order for them to not be complacent.

Yeah, score-adjusted CF of 45.92% is not really even, much less outplaying anybody. Although considering no-Coots and the dcorps being bad, I'm surprised it was even that close.
- Tomahawk

It gets pretty close if you eliminate Game 5, but yeah, even scoring chances and high danger scoring chances were lopsided

Yeah, but I would say the same about Mason, and with the statistics to show when he's on his game, and has more of a proven track record than Neuvirth. Also, injuries being a problem for both goalies noted, Neuvy hasn't finished more than 48 games in any year he has played, Mason has multiple times, and has been a starter longer than Neuvy has. He's also a year younger and has been with the team going on his fourth year, is entrenched firmly in the nucleus of this team for sure.

Its not guaranteed Mason would get 6 million on the open market, much less from us. I think 5-5.5 (tops) does it for the right amount of term. Mason turned his game around here and seems very happy here, not saying there will be any hometown discount, but I think 6 is a bit high.
- sjk540

I don't know. People seem to think he is probably a top 10 goalie. Look at what some of those guys are making. I think he will be close to there.

pretty sure all of the defensemen are competing, especially schultz, streit, AMac, manning, Gudas. Id say Ghost and MDZ are the only safe ones and you have to be MDZ is totally fine from the injury. In that case, you'll have guys like Morin, Hagg, Alt, Provorov, and Sanheim going equally as hard.

on offense you'll have guys like cousins, raffl, laughton, VDV, PEB, and white, read, konecny, leier, fazleev, NAK, etc.

The fact is, there are plenty of spots open both defensively and offensively for players who deserve to be there, the young guys will have to outwork the old guys, thats directly from Hexy's mouth. In turn, the old guys will have to prove they don't belong in the press box or the AHL. maybe not dial it up to playoff efforts, as you have made it seem i meant exactly that, but there has to be at least a modicum of a challenge to some of the players in order for them to not be complacent.
- sjk540

I don't think Gudas and, if he's still here, Streit, will be playing for spots. For better or worse, they're locks.

Agree on the bottom-6, though. There's probably 5 spots open (although I think PEB is pretty much a lock, so 4) to be had, and someone could possibly sneak into the top-6 (Konecny, NAK).

So yes, I went to one extreme, but your initial post was very broad. Sorry if I e-offended e-you.

I don't know. People seem to think he is probably a top 10 goalie. Look at what some of those guys are making. I think he will be close to there.
- J35Bacher

Do you think he's a top-10 goalie?
Do you think Neuvirth (health taken into consideration) is a top-10 goalie?

The fact is, there are plenty of spots open both defensively and offensively for players who deserve to be there, the young guys will have to outwork the old guys, thats directly from Hexy's mouth.
- sjk540

I'm rooting for Hagg and Leier to make the team out of camp.

I'm rooting for Hagg and Leier to make the team out of camp.
- Tomahawk

I heard that Hagg played exceptionally well in April. Now I'm not sure if thats a generalized exceptional, or if that was just exceptional for him and the way he had played to that point. Either way, hopefully the two full years plus three training camps will give him enough to fight for a spot on the team. If not, a third full year in the AHL couldn't hurt.

I like Leier too, always thought he was a poor mans read, until read became the poor man's read. I've always been intrigued by NAK and Fazleev though. Major jumps in offensive output in their second years in juniors, excited for those kids in addition to Konecny.

I don't know. People seem to think he is probably a top 10 goalie. Look at what some of those guys are making. I think he will be close to there.
- J35Bacher

I think he has been underrated throughout the league as well, and i think he has put some specific stats in that top 10 territory, some in the top 5 range. However, his overall numbers seem to be middle of the pack, at least top half of the league, which is all I think will be seen. There are no stats for how bad the flyers defense has been, in terms of system, before Berube and Hak, and there are no stats for the personnel in front of him, on the PK, etc., etc.

I don't know. People seem to think he is probably a top 10 goalie. Look at what some of those guys are making. I think he will be close to there.
- J35Bacher

Why not split time between them early on and see who plays better? They've both had injury problems, so it's probably better to give them each more rest. A decision on their future doesn't need to be made until next offseason

I don't think Gudas and, if he's still here, Streit, will be playing for spots. For better or worse, they're locks.

Agree on the bottom-6, though. There's probably 5 spots open (although I think PEB is pretty much a lock, so 4) to be had, and someone could possibly sneak into the top-6 (Konecny, NAK).

So yes, I went to one extreme, but your initial post was very broad. Sorry if I e-offended e-you.
- jmatchett383

I would Streit isnt here, he would serve better on another teams 2nd/3rd pairing playing sheltered minutes and a teams 2nd unit PP QB. Here, i think he has done everything we expected, and never really had anything against his game until he came back from injury this year, save for a few weeks where it really seemed like he was turning it on and coming around, and then bam, just look terrible from end of february on.

Would love to see konecny and NAK, and even Fazleev playing on the big club, but unless they blow Hak and Hexy away this year, I think they are both destined for the AHL. Konecny i wouldnt be surprised if Hexy sent him back to Juniors for one more, although, he does seem plenty ready now.

No offense taken, to me or e-me, i was just speaking generally as u said.

I would Streit isnt here, he would serve better on another teams 2nd/3rd pairing playing sheltered minutes and a teams 2nd unit PP QB. Here, i think he has done everything we expected, and never really had anything against his game until he came back from injury this year, save for a few weeks where it really seemed like he was turning it on and coming around, and then bam, just look terrible from end of february on.

Would love to see konecny and NAK, and even Fazleev playing on the big club, but unless they blow Hak and Hexy away this year, I think they are both destined for the AHL. Konecny i wouldnt be surprised if Hexy sent him back to Juniors for one more, although, he does seem plenty ready now.

No offense taken, to me or e-me, i was just speaking generally as u said.
- sjk540

I would rather see Streit traded as well, but I'm working with the roster and prospects as they are now.

And I agree about Konecny, only that he could force Hexy's hand if he plays out of his mind this preseason, which would basically force him onto the second line.

I would rather see Streit traded as well, but I'm working with the roster and prospects as they are now.

And I agree about Konecny, only that he could force Hexy's hand if he plays out of his mind this preseason, which would basically force him onto the second line.
- jmatchett383

Konecny, could make this team if he has a slightly better camp than last year. It looked like he almost made the team this past season.

Ek saying flyers "team to beat" for signing Eriksson... That we don't want to rush forward talent (Konecny?). Opinions? Id be on board depending on length of deal as well as what Schenn's deal turns out to be.

Is RJ delusional?

http://www.philly.com/phi...f_Flyers_buy_him_out.html

Ek saying flyers "team to beat" for signing Eriksson... That we don't want to rush forward talent (Konecny?). Opinions? Id be on board depending on length of deal as well as what Schenn's deal turns out to be.
- arichardson22

Lose Read/Streit/Umberberger/MacDonald and it's doable without worrying about cap down the road really.

Ek saying flyers "team to beat" for signing Eriksson... That we don't want to rush forward talent (Konecny?). Opinions? Id be on board depending on length of deal as well as what Schenn's deal turns out to be.
- arichardson22

signing a 30 year old winger who just put up the best year he's had in almost 4 years during a contract year, is not a chance Id take. Maybe 2 years, but you know he will get offers for 3, possibly 4, because of the 30 goals and 2 way play he brings.

contract years always scare me...

Quoting Ek here....
- steelydan

say no more...disregard

Is RJ delusional?

http://www.philly.com/phi...f_Flyers_buy_him_out.html
- dragonoffrost

He could sign for league minimum as a 14th forward.

Do you think he's a top-10 goalie?
Do you think Neuvirth (health taken into consideration) is a top-10 goalie?
- jmatchett383

I don't know.

And I don't know about Neuvirth.

Not trying to cop out.

I think Neuvirth is just as good as Mason. It's always been the injuries. He was the reason the Caps were able to trade Varlomov.

Ek saying flyers "team to beat" for signing Eriksson... That we don't want to rush forward talent (Konecny?). Opinions? Id be on board depending on length of deal as well as what Schenn's deal turns out to be.
- arichardson22

These contracts are exactly the kind of contracts that got us into this mess in the first place. He will want to much$$ and more importantly to many years.

There will be plenty of 2ndary scoring to be had for cheap later in the summer.

He could sign for league minimum as a 14th forward.
- jmatchett383

But he says he can be a 3rd or 4th liner every night for an NHL team?

I don't know.

And I don't know about Neuvirth.

Not trying to cop out.

I think Neuvirth is just as good as Mason. It's always been the injuries. He was the reason the Caps were able to trade Varlomov.
- J35Bacher

Well, If Neuvirth is going to miss 20% of the games every year due to injuries, then I'll take Mason.