Good thoughts except your 1st and last idea: your 1st Crawford, personal knowledge, as stated a few post ago, "Corey ain't goin anywhere". And secondly, forget Ladd at. 35 years old. Maybe just Draft and stay the course this year, but do you trust Bowman?
- wonthecup10

Not challenging you personal knowledge, just under the impression that if a team asks a guy to submit a list of ten teams he would accept a trade to, if a deal can be reached between those teams then he would go. Even Sharp didn't want to leave Chicago and he was traded.

When you look at the "core" players, look at who has value on the trade market to move and who is more replaceable. In Bowman logic, it is the goalie. Scottie got two cups out of Chris Osgood.

As for Ladd a 4 year deal would take him until he is 34. He does play physical, yet also can play in all situations.

So yes I trust the Bowmans to try and keep the Blackhawks near the league during the careers of Kane and Toews.

Just need to get Stan and Q on the same page about who you are bringing in and for what roll

As for the other post about trading TT for a bag of rice, I probably didn't specify enough of what I would be looking for. That is a 27-29 year old above average Defensman that is cost controlled for the next 3 to 4 years.

So Crawford to Philly for Mason, gets you 2 million this year and 6 each year in the future.


- Rtoppel

2 million savings this coming year but they have to sign another goalie the year after, Mason would be a UFA, so the cap savings wouldn't be a full 6 million?

Hindsight is always 20/20. Back then Drouin was a BIG question mark and his antics didn't make him look any better.

At the time a deal for Drouin didn't make the most sense. Today...different story.
- DarthKane

Even then Drouin had the same amount of talent/skill. Thing that has to be pointed out is that every other team in the league failed to acquire him. Maybe Stevie Y's asking price was too high and it seems that was the case, and maybe rightly so.

Admittedly I was one of the proponents of TT staying. I was mistaken. Kid can play and is a tenacious SOB (Drouin).
- 93Joe

You're not wrong on TT yet, Joe. He's a 21/22 yr old kid who was yo yoed all year. He may end up a bum but way too young to say so at this date......... And there was no way a TT was gonna get you Drouin. IF Stevie Y was gonna move him it would cost a Klingenberg, Gostpierre or Faulk type young dynamic Dman.

Sorry, meant Svedberg.

Seen him drop the mitts to stand up for a teammate and I think he's done it a bit in the AHL too.

Would be nice to see him channel a little of that as he continues to grow into an option for the Hawks in the big leagues.
- TyCamScore

Think that was the only prospect camp thingy I've seen at the Ice House........ If you saw the 7 footer at a prospects camp would you agree that his footwork and skating has improved a good bit in a couple years? Kid has good feet, great size and good IQ. If the Hawks don 't give him a real shot plenty of other NHL teams will.

Would not surprise me one bit if Sved is skating a regular shift 4-5 years from now for some NHL club.

Let's see how TB - Yzerman - remains competitive when cap issues really start hitting home; after several years of low draft choices because of high finishes (if that happens); if Stamkos moves on, can whoever is the new captain control the room and keep the egos in check....

Winning creates lots of issues.
- StLBravesFan

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ons/teams/0000552016.html

Kucherov 2nd round, 58th overall.

Palat 7th round, 208th overall.

Killorn 3rd round 77th overall.

Tyler Johnson undrafted FA signing.

Vaselevisky 1st round, 19th overall.

Hedman 1st round, 2nd overall.

Drouin 1st round, 3rd overall.

Marchessault, undrafted FA.

Brown, undrafted FA.

Paquette, 4th round 101st overall.

Nesterov 5th round

Sustr undrafted FA.

Bishop, Callahan, Stralman, Filpulla, Garrison all FA signings or acquired in trades.

John Cooper signed out of the USHL, won a cup in the AHL and was with the Lightning after only 2-3/4 seasons in the AHL. That is nothing short of a meteoric rise and a wise choice by the organization.

Point is Sage this organization's core is made up of plenty of mid and late round picks and shrewd undrafted FA signings along with a couple high round picks. They identify and sign great talent that aren't high round picks. Yea the cap reaper will come, slowly cuz IMO they let Stamkos get his 199 million somewhere else, but it looks to me they will fill in the pieces needed by KEEPING their picks and using them wisely throughout the draft, making solid trades and FA signings both drafted and undrafted.

I know her Dad, and geniuses, Corey AIN'T goin anywhere unless it is the perfect situation and right now , Chicago is the ultimate perfect situation for the long haul, so these middle of the night bedtime nightmares about trades involving Corey, Wish in 1hand, Crap in the other and see which 1fills up first.
Blame 2guys for this mess, 19&88, what 8 mill a year isn't enough?
Edit: those thinking Scott Darling is anything more than a cheap flash n the pan, be careful what you wish for with out Corey. I guarantee you , Darling pisses up some easy games next year, Bowman will pull the plug on the birthday cake commercials and find a reliable vet back up goalie, Corey is stayin! He's not WAVIN for anything!
The kid is a top 5goalie!
- wonthecup10

I wish everyone would stop that BS narrative. No one on this board thinks they should trade or move Crow.

The only speculation is that they have to move players because of the cap. 99.9% of the debate is looking at different options of who they could move and what they would get for them.

Nobody is disrespecting him so stop already

Bowman has to find some quality veterans at very low prices this year , won't be easy of coarse, but there will be some. After seeing Pitt several time in the playoffs I look at someone like John Cullen ,. He is 39 but to me he knows pretty much everything Krug does kills penalties, face off, out there in defence situations ect. Difference is he is making 800,000 and scored 16 goals and 3 in the playoffs. Not trying to diss Krug but he has to have a Hugh season next year. Again Bowman needs to hit home runs with bargain s this summer. He needs to find speed n lots of grit especially with us losing Ladd and perhaps Shaw. Speed n toughness needed badly I knowIit won't be easy to find

Simply put Danault was thought of as 3rd and or 4th line for the future.
The Hawks didn't have a solid 3rd and 4th line all season and that was needed to make a long run...So Bowman traded a solid future 3rd/4th line player for 2 guys he thought was needed now to win the Cup.
- Al

He was wrong

He was wrong
- vabeachbear

I guess this will be hashed over 3-4-9 yrs from now. Was StanBowPops&McD wrong to move Denault for Weise and Fleishman or was Q wrong for not playing them and instead icing Mashinter as they lost a Game 7 one goal game to STL who has since moved on to the WCF?

Bowman has to find some quality veterans at very low prices this year , won't be easy of coarse, but there will be some. After seeing Pitt several time in the playoffs I look at someone like John Cullen ,. He is 39 but to me he knows pretty much everything Krug does kills penalties, face off, out there in defence situations ect. Difference is he is making 800,000 and scored 16 goals and 3 in the playoffs. Not trying to diss Krug but he has to have a Hugh season next year. Again Bowman needs to hit home runs with bargain s this summer. He needs to find speed n lots of grit especially with us losing Ladd and perhaps Shaw. Speed n toughness needed badly I knowIit won't be easy to find
- HamiltonHawk

PITT ain't won anything yet but I posted a few blogs back that I hope StanBowPops&McD are watching, doubt Q is taking notes, them closely as they may be the template the Hawks need going forward.

An undrafted FA skating with Crosby, an old man 4th line center, a couple middling vets in Hagelin and Bonino, rookies Kunhacl,/Rust/Sheary, a 21 yr old goalie, a defense that has one true #1 Dman and the rest #4's at best supplementing a world class core and a coach who makes that work.

I guess this will be hashed over 3-4-9 yrs from now. Was StanBowPops&McD wrong to move Denault for Weise and Fleishman or was Q wrong for not playing them and instead icing Mashinter as they lost a Game 7 one goal game to STL who has since moved on to the WCF?
- Mr Ricochet

Don't care if it was Q. Stan's the GM and Q's boss.

If they weren't all (top to bottom) on the same page if he was going to play the guys, should have never made the trade.

Its not like they didn't know who Q is.

Organizational F up, and still think one that will haunt them for a long time. Also think they'll miss Dano, for a rental.

Killed the depth in the organization for a while. They supposadely were all in for a repeat, but this trade deadline will cripple the team for a while. Many wanted them to go for it, and you can't blame them for trying, you can only win this year.

But the picks and depleating of the depth, in two years they have gone from one of the deepest organizations, to one of the worst, and that's not easy to do.

Johns, Pialotta, Danault, Dano, Dahlbeck Two #1's, Two #2's, 1 3rd and I'm probably forgetting someone. Going to take a few years to build that back up. Its not like they've been hitting on draft picks the last few years.

Don't care if it was Q. Stan's the GM and Q's boss.

If they weren't all (top to bottom) on the same page if he was going to play the guys, should have never made the trade.

Its not like they didn't know who Q is.

Organizational F up, and still think one that will haunt them for a long time. Also think they'll miss Dano, for a rental.

Killed the depth in the organization for a while. They supposadely were all in for a repeat, but this trade deadline will cripple the team for a while. Many wanted them to go for it, and you can't blame them for trying, you can only win this year.

But the picks and depleating of the depth, in two years they have gone from one of the deepest organizations, to one of the worst, and that's not easy to do.

Johns, Pialotta, Danault, Dano, Dahlbeck Two #1's, Two #2's, 1 3rd and I'm probably forgetting someone. Going to take a few years to build that back up. Its not like they've been hitting on draft picks the last few years.
- vabeachbear

10-12,000 pages of banter and this sums it up. Well put but will add going forward it needs pointing out Rocky is the boss of them all. Agree go for the cup when you have the chance but if you are going to deplete the system 2-3-4 years out you'd better have the coach use the players you are depleting the system for and go deep into the tournament to put some dough in the owner's pocket.

Bowman has to find some quality veterans at very low prices this year , won't be easy of coarse, but there will be some. After seeing Pitt several time in the playoffs I look at someone like John Cullen ,. He is 39 but to me he knows pretty much everything Krug does kills penalties, face off, out there in defence situations ect. Difference is he is making 800,000 and scored 16 goals and 3 in the playoffs. Not trying to diss Krug but he has to have a Hugh season next year. Again Bowman needs to hit home runs with bargain s this summer. He needs to find speed n lots of grit especially with us losing Ladd and perhaps Shaw. Speed n toughness needed badly I knowIit won't be easy to find
- HamiltonHawk

I missed noting this excellent point, Hamilton. This is what many point out that depth players can be found everywhere at lower cost, it's the top 6 (maybe a #3 centerman, #4D or goalie) and top 3 D that you can't avoid paying. You certainly can avoid torpedoing the cap with a 3 mil 4th line centerman.

Is there a link for the russia sweden game?

Schmaltz-Toews-Hossa
Hinostroza-Anisimov-Kane
Desi-Kruger-TT
TRASH-Moose-TRASH

you still think the Hawks can afford to lose Panarin?? I sure as heck don't
- EnzoD

The good news is that after playing that lineup for 1 or 2 years, they should have some high draft picks!

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000552016.html

Kucherov 2nd round, 58th overall.

Palat 7th round, 208th overall.

Killorn 3rd round 77th overall.

Tyler Johnson undrafted FA signing.

Vaselevisky 1st round, 19th overall.

Hedman 1st round, 2nd overall.

Drouin 1st round, 3rd overall.

Marchessault, undrafted FA.

Brown, undrafted FA.

Paquette, 4th round 101st overall.

Nesterov 5th round

Sustr undrafted FA.

Bishop, Callahan, Stralman, Filpulla, Garrison all FA signings or acquired in trades.

John Cooper signed out of the USHL, won a cup in the AHL and was with the Lightning after only 2-3/4 seasons in the AHL. That is nothing short of a meteoric rise and a wise choice by the organization.

Point is Sage this organization's core is made up of plenty of mid and late round picks and shrewd undrafted FA signings along with a couple high round picks. They identify and sign great talent that aren't high round picks. Yea the cap reaper will come, slowly cuz IMO they let Stamkos get his 199 million somewhere else, but it looks to me they will fill in the pieces needed by KEEPING their picks and using them wisely throughout the draft, making solid trades and FA signings both drafted and undrafted.



- Mr Ricochet

I think we could make a similar list on the 2010 Hawks - and then the cap crunch hit - partly due to overplays and bad contracts, partly due an unexpectedly sluggish cap, partly due to winning and having to pay your best contributors - plus a bad season of TDL moves.

So far, I think, the Hawks have been the team most affected by the cap over the past 7 summers (including the upcoming one) - for reasons noted above: every summer has seen the purge of significant contributors. The cap has increased by only $14.4MM over the past 7 years - $2MM per year on average - except for Keith and Hossa, all Hawks required new contracts in that period of time - with large increases because of their success, and the team's.

No other GM has had the constant and consistent cap issues that Bowman has. Too much for the wonder twins? Maybe - but both wanted (and deserved) to be the highest paid in the league - and the outcry, had one left, would far exceed what Yzerman would feel if (when) Stamkos leaves. Too much for Bickell? Sure. Too much for Kruger? Ok, some. Moving too much young potential for aging (ill used) vets at the TDL? Certainly, based on last year's results.

But he's had a big hand in at least the last two Cups under very difficult circumstances. I see your TB list - and I haven't looked in detail at their cap situation going forward - but let's see what Yzerman can do after some success leads to similar cap issues.

I don't think Bowman is the best GM around - I'm not sure he could BUILD a winner like Yzerman has (and the Bolts haven't won anything yet) - but he's been a pretty good maintainer and "filler-inner" with 2 Cups in (now) 4 years.

He was wrong
- vabeachbear

Bowman's been right at times and wrong other times.

The difference now is they didn't win the Cup and everyone can point to mistakes. Kimmo was a big mistake too...But he turned into a feel good story instead.

I missed noting this excellent point, Hamilton. This is what many point out that depth players can be found everywhere at lower cost, it's the top 6 (maybe a #3 centerman, #4D or goalie) and top 3 D that you can't avoid paying. You certainly can avoid torpedoing the cap with a 3 mil 4th line centerman.
- Mr Ricochet

Thanks you sir, should be a very interesting off season

Russia Switzerland. Found it through reddit.

Bowman's been right at times and wrong other times.

The difference now is they didn't win the Cup and everyone can point to mistakes. Kimmo was a big mistake too...But he turned into a feel good story instead.
- Al

I agree, he's done OK and had to do more than most GMs.

Just really, really hate that trade and did at the time and said 10 times then also. Fleisch couldn't dress for the Habs, Weise wasn't better than Garbutt.

You're not wrong on TT yet, Joe. He's a 21/22 yr old kid who was yo yoed all year. He may end up a bum but way too young to say so at this date......... And there was no way a TT was gonna get you Drouin. IF Stevie Y was gonna move him it would cost a Klingenberg, Gostpierre or Faulk type young dynamic Dman.
- Mr Ricochet

Rico, I see your point and I may be a it dismissive right now. He was juggled up and down the lineup. Just seeing how Drouin is playing right now catches my eye. I guess the concern at the deadline was valid concerning there were possible behavioral issues with JD. Looks like a keeper now for Tampa (at the moment).

Hope Daley and the Pens win the Cup and he continues to play as well as he has so far

Q missed he boat on Daley and it's now there for everyone to see

I think we could make a similar list on the 2010 Hawks - and then the cap crunch hit - partly due to overplays and bad contracts, partly due an unexpectedly sluggish cap, partly due to winning and having to pay your best contributors - plus a bad season of TDL moves.

So far, I think, the Hawks have been the team most affected by the cap over the past 7 summers (including the upcoming one) - for reasons noted above: every summer has seen the purge of significant contributors. The cap has increased by only $14.4MM over the past 7 years - $2MM per year on average - except for Keith and Hossa, all Hawks required new contracts in that period of time - with large increases because of their success, and the team's.

No other GM has had the constant and consistent cap issues that Bowman has. Too much for the wonder twins? Maybe - but both wanted (and deserved) to be the highest paid in the league - and the outcry, had one left, would far exceed what Yzerman would feel if (when) Stamkos leaves. Too much for Bickell? Sure. Too much for Kruger? Ok, some. Moving too much young potential for aging (ill used) vets at the TDL? Certainly, based on last year's results.

But he's had a big hand in at least the last two Cups under very difficult circumstances. I see your TB list - and I haven't looked in detail at their cap situation going forward - but let's see what Yzerman can do after some success leads to similar cap issues.

I don't think Bowman is the best GM around - I'm not sure he could BUILD a winner like Yzerman has (and the Bolts haven't won anything yet) - but he's been a pretty good maintainer and "filler-inner" with 2 Cups in (now) 4 years.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed the cap has hit the Hawks harder than any NHL franchise, all due to players drafted/acquired by a GM other than StanBowPops&McD that had to be moved cuz they were excellent NHL players.

The present core of Kane/Toews/Keith/Seabs/Hossa/Hammer/Crawford/ were not acquired by StanBowPops&McD, but Panarin was and he's not signed.

The core of TB, playing today, with the triplets being the forwards were a 2nd/4th and an undrafted FA. Those are huge gets at a low price paid. Same with their coach and support players either undrafted or low round picks.

The concern is the Hawks haven't done enough with low round picks/undrafted FA/shrewd trades to sustain as it seems TB has shown they MIGHT have. Johnson, Drouin, Vasilevisky (the 7 footer should be allowed to leave) and Palat won't be RFA's until after the 17/18 season. Killorn and Kucherov will be RFA's after next season and Hedman will be a UFA after next season. Stralman is inked at 4.5 per through 18/19. That's the core and I haven't mentioned centerman Namestikov (1st round 27th overall) who I think will be a top 6 centerman will be an RFA after this year.

This management group has shown the ability to fill in the gaps and as shown above they have a few years to PREPARE for signing/moving/replacing them.

Hope Daley and the Pens win the Cup and he continues to play as well as he has so far

Q missed he boat on Daley and it's now there for everyone to see
- Colbyboy

If Daley wins the cup this year and the Norris the next those with a narrative he sucks BEFORE he ever stepped on the ice for the Hawks will still assert Daley is a bum. People see what they want.

As a #4 Dman at 3.3 per the guy is gold!!!