I generally agree with this post, but if the contract of said crappy goalie is expiring next summer, it could basically mean signing Panarin, not to mention freeing space to re-up Shaw this year.

The more you know . . .

These are the things NHL cap and personnel people have to think about.
- John Jaeckel

You also are left with a crappy goalie for next season, backing up a pending UFA in Darling who is given all of the leverage in his next contract by being the defacto #1 guy with Crawford gone. Then you are likely right back to $6MM invested in #1/#2 goalies the following year, erasing any savings, and having worse goaltending.

It aint gonna be easy. But if I am having to rebuild a team after expansion, I make darn sure Ive got a good goalie as my foundation.

I generally agree with this post, but if the contract of said crappy goalie is expiring next summer, it could basically mean signing Panarin, not to mention freeing space to re-up Shaw this year.

The more you know . . .

These are the things NHL cap and personnel people have to think about.
- John Jaeckel

Really?

Panarin may be signed this offseason for all we know. Bowman has mentioned in several interviews that was basically his number 1 priority.

Thinking he is going to command Tarasenko money after one season? I don't think Panarin is a flash in the pan BUT Tarasenko has a body of work.

Panarin's playoff performance paled in comparison.
- TTtime

Tarasenko got his money after 2 seasons, why would be so unrealistic to think Panarin would ask for that after one? It was only the last season where Tarasenko broke out with 37 goals and 73 points. That output it comparable to Panarin's 30 goals and 77 points.

Really?

Panarin may be signed this offseason for all we know. Bowman has mentioned in several interviews that was basically his number 1 priority.
- TTtime

I hope you're right and Stan finds a way to keep the Breadman long term.

Thinking he is going to command Tarasenko money after one season? I don't think Panarin is a flash in the pan BUT Tarasenko has a body of work.

Panarin's playoff performance paled in comparison.
- TTtime

Yeah I think if Stan offers $5-$6 mil over longer term this offseason it would have to be seriously considered... There's a reason why "bridge deals" are often times put in place before those big money moves and clearly it's to avoid someone regressing after a stellar early portion of their career... Many VERY talented players have been given bridge deals after very promising seasons. Panarin has prior pro experience where he's performed so the risk is less of an issue, but you don't get Tarasenko money after 1 season, refardless of how strong it was

Fixed.

Use some logic.

Did TVR adequately replace Oduya this past season? Answer: No, he did not.

The third pair in the regular season was essentially what it was the year before, and it was actually slightly better in round one of the playoffs that what the Hawks had in rounds 2-4 last year.

The problem (and solution) is not swapping out some Euros and rookies and retreads on the third pair. It's guys like TVR playing over where they should be, because they didn't replace Oduya.

Will TVR replace Oduya next season? No. He was force fit to play left side (Oduya's spot) and he is not as good there as he is on the right. Not a condemnation of TVR, just acknowledging that the role has not been adequately filled.

You will believe what you want to believe.
- John Jaeckel

I still don't understand why Q had TVR and Hjam on their offsides together. Does TVR on his correct side replace Oduya? No but I think if he plays his correct side all year its a closer comparison. I know Hjam said he likes playing his offside but still it's a head scratcher.

Tarasenko got his money after 2 seasons, why would be so unrealistic to think Panarin would ask for that after one? It was only the last season where Tarasenko broke out with 37 goals and 73 points. That output it comparable to Panarin's 30 goals and 77 points.
- DarthKane

If the Hawks deem him worthy I believe they will find a way to sign him is my point.

If the Hawks deem him worthy I believe they will find a way to sign him is my point.
- TTtime

So, Saad was not worthy? This feels like an eerily similar situation.....

So, Saad was not worthy? This feels like an eerily similar situation.....
- EnzoD

Def could end up being similar... Hopefully the only connection to the Saad situation is StanBo learned his lesson and offers Panarain a similar contract... $6 mil x 6? The more I look at it though (stat-wise), I dunno that we get him that cheap if he's not signed during this offseason cuz Saads stats weren't as strong as Panarin's and he got 6x6

Def could end up being similar... Hopefully the only connection to the Saad situation is StanBo learned his lesson and offers Panarain a similar contract... $6 mil x 6? The more I look at it though (stat-wise), I dunno that we get him that cheap if he's not signed during this offseason cuz Saads stats weren't as strong as Panarin's and he got 6x6
- Frenchy4488

What lesson should Stan have learned? He tried to re-sign Saad earlier but Saad's camp wanted to wait until the off-season to start negotiations.

What lesson should Stan have learned? He tried to re-sign Saad earlier but Saad's camp wanted to wait until the off-season to start negotiations.
- DarthKane

Perhaps "the lesson" is not the correct wording I should have chosen... A top-level winger clearly will fetch what Saad did (maybe more) so that needs to be his baseline... If he can make it work then great, but I think the FO thought they could get Saad for less and that was not the case (that's on Saads camp).

If there is any "lesson" it's that you assume Panarin or anyone else you want to resign will want market value... Regardless of any hopes they will take a 'hometown discount'... I think the same thought process needs to go down with Shaw... Assume he will want (as he should) his market value so you aren't caught of guard if the 'hometown discount' that everyone is hoping for isn't the number his camp is looking for.

Does anyone have more insight into why Danault and a pick were traded for these guys?? JJ? Mex?? DaBearsHawks?? I mean... yikes. Just yikes...

Acquiring Ladd was a no-brainer, but was the Montreal trade supposed to be outside the box?
- DMChi2010

Worse trade ever, Stan really f'd that up. Only thing I can think of is they had an idea what Danault would need to be resigned for and they weren't planning on giving him that.

In the end, I think they chose Kruger over Danault, although I for one was happy with Toews, AA, Danault and Kruger for the next 5 years down the middle.

Yes
- John Jaeckel

What is Anderson's cap hit?

I still don't understand why Q had TVR and Hjam on their offsides together. Does TVR on his correct side replace Oduya? No but I think if he plays his correct side all year its a closer comparison. I know Hjam said he likes playing his offside but still it's a head scratcher.
- bhawks2241

Million dollar question, you'd think one reporter would ask him.

What is Anderson's cap hit?
- vabeachbear

$4.2 million for 2 more seasons. That's not a lot of cap savings during the first 2 years over Crawford and it is a signification downgrade in goaltending. Anderson was around 18th in save % and 40th in GAA (both stats are goalies who played 25+ games), but some of that is a function of his team. I'm not trying to sat that Anderson is bad, I'd just rather go with Darling as the starter if Crawford is dealt.

Ive have given this some thought. he will be 25 next suumer and 26 in oct 30 begging of his RFA contract. I go all in and give him 8 year 7 mil contract. You would have him signed thru 33. which is the perfect age. 30-31 age is the worst time to have you players to become FA's. Trade crawford, extend shaw, Darling Panarin, and sign a vet Goalie. and fill the roster with a few 1 year contracts. lets Bicks just come off the books.

You "geniuses" need to stop with this Panarin to St. Louis narrative.

It's NOT going to happen - and you sound foolish when you say it.

Something to remember about Panarin's situation in Chicago: There is a HUGE Russian population living here - and they make fellow countryman feel at home.

From speaking with someone close to him - he really liked having a lot of people from his home country here - it made the transition to the U.S. a lot more comfortable for him. That is not something you can easily put a dollar on.

He also LOVES playing with Patrick Kane - and believes they are only going to get better the more they play together - again something you can't put a dollar on.

So, to all you doomsday predictors - please stop. Artemy Panarin is a priority for this organization. With the 5 percent increase per year in the cap - which the players will vote for every year - the Hawks will find it in the budget to keep him.
- dahawks8819

In his interview he seemed to say he kind of liked playing without Kane because he could be more creative.

I tend to agree. if you put Danult or Shaw as center of that Line I bet they put close to AA numbers.

The thing that makes no sense to me at all is. If he knew SAAD wanted a long term deal why did he wait on Sharp? Let say the best offer the day of the draft was a 3rd for sharp and he takes it. and also moves Steeg since he already has all top 4 wings accounted for. That changes the course of history. He gets SAAD signed for 6 years and 5.575. Basically swapping out Sharps contract. He then has to decide if he wants to keep Kruger or JO and can only keep 1. I would keep JO on 3.3 x 3. (Unless you can find a asset to throw at Bickell like 2016 1st you can keep both) Move Kruger for ECL player of future Pick.
- kmw4631

I thought that is what he offered Saad though, and Saad's agent said "nothing less than 6m"

In his interview he seemed to say he kind of liked playing without Kane because he could be more creative.




I thought that is what he offered Saad though, and Saad's agent said "nothing less than 6m"
- maria_wyeth

I thought we offered 5 and wanted 6. i could be wrong.

Worse trade ever, Stan really f'd that up.
- vabeachbear

Or, more likely, Q f'd that up by not setting them up to succeed to be a part of things going forward.

Had it been Danault for Weise and Fleischmann with the likelihood of resigning them both it could have been a steal in favor of Chicago.

With one already bailing out and no news on the other guy, it seems to go in the bad trade column.

The return for goalies is generally pretty meh. Any thing they get for Crawford would most likely be far below what is expected. You can be sure some crappy goalie is coming back so the cap savings would be minimal at best.

It for sure won't be a cost controlled promising D-man. Look around the league. There is a whole bunch of crappy D-men everywhere. There probably isn't a more valuable commodity in hockey then young, promising, cost controlled D-men.
- TTtime

Any plan to move Crawford would be based first on the team thinking Darling is ready and capable of being the #1 and play 55-60 regular season games. If they are thinking that way then I could see Cro being moved to ease the cap burden. Maybe.

And if Darling fizzles afterward the hole is huge and they wind up with the type of goaltending Calgary, Montreal, Arizona, Edmonton, Detroit, Toronto had most of this season - mediocrity that is not good enough to win anything with. And what better example of not having a rock in your net is there than Dallas - 2 below average Finns chewing up $10M plus in salary and cap. That position is costing the Hawks less than $7M now - comparatively cheap for 2 guys they know can play.

$4.2 million for 2 more seasons. That's not a lot of cap savings during the first 2 years over Crawford and it is a signification downgrade in goaltending. Anderson was around 18th in save % and 40th in GAA (both stats are goalies who played 25+ games), but some of that is a function of his team. I'm not trying to sat that Anderson is bad, I'd just rather go with Darling as the starter if Crawford is dealt.
- DarthKane

Just thinking aloud here... A multi-player deal with Ottawa centered around CC, TT, and maybe Shaw. Those 3 for Anderson and Stone OR Ceci. Stone has a friendly deal so I doubt he gets shipped. Hoffman will look for a lot of money after next year.

Just thinking aloud here... A multi-player deal with Ottawa centered around CC, TT, and maybe Shaw. Those 3 for Anderson and Stone OR Ceci. Stone has a friendly deal so I doubt he gets shipped. Hoffman will look for a lot of money after next year.
- 93Joe

Just explain to me why CC would waive to go to Ottawa. All CC trade options begin and end with his consent to move.

Just explain to me why CC would waive to go to Ottawa.
- Return of the Roar

Just thinking aloud... And I did consider that FWIW

Just explain to me why CC would waive to go to Ottawa. All CC trade options begin and end with his consent to move.
- Return of the Roar

He probably would not, but Ottawa is close to his home town.

Any plan to move Crawford would be based first on the team thinking Darling is ready and capable of being the #1 and play 55-60 regular season games. If they are thinking that way then I could see Cro being moved to ease the cap burden. Maybe.

And if Darling fizzles afterward the hole is huge and they wind up with the type of goaltending Calgary, Montreal, Arizona, Edmonton, Detroit, Toronto had most of this season - mediocrity that is not good enough to win anything with. And what better example of not having a rock in your net is there than Dallas - 2 below average Finns chewing up $10M plus in salary and cap. That position is costing the Hawks less than $7M now - comparatively cheap for 2 guys they know can play.
- RickJ

The plan to move craw is so they can keep darling, shaw, and panarin, TT, that is 14 mil and that group right now makes 5, you keep craw and the only guy staying is TT. people complain about SAAD at 6 X 6 he is going to score 150 5X5 goals in that time frame that would put him in the top 5 in league. 6 million is 1-2 mil less then production.