ekholm takes a really assinine penalty at the end of the 2nd and the sharks make them pay...call off the dogs...this one is over...

preds are a bunch of bow wows in this game

Per John Dietz, Trevor Daley has 1 goal, 5 assists and is +3 in the playoffs, averaging 23:18 ice time.
- scottak

That's about what he had here in 29 games.

There seems to be a ton of prospects in the Haws system...I can't think of one blue chipper in the group. The way I see it , we be lucky To see 7players eventually sticking with the Hawks. Out of those players maybe 2 will turn out to be third liners..the rest 4th liners. McNeil, Hartman, Motte, Schmaltz, Bondra, Forsling and maybe Johnson will make it to the big house. Our system looks depleted. Maybe I am missing a few future stars? Can somebody have a better outlook on the Hawks future players?

Weber looks like poop

weber with a pss poor pinch and the sharks get #5....how about a misconduct on rinne for destroying his stick on the net...sorry...this isn't junior beer league...keep your cool...

Weber looks like poop
- HamiltonHawk

so does just about everybody in yellow and white...

complete domination...man at least the stars had a decent effort...

There seems to be a ton of prospects in the Haws system...I can't think of one blue chipper in the group. The way I see it , we be lucky To see 7players eventually sticking with the Hawks. Out of those players maybe 2 will turn out to be third liners..the rest 4th liners. McNeil, Hartman, Motte, Schmaltz, Bondra, Forsling and maybe Johnson will make it to the big house. Our system looks depleted. Maybe I am missing a few future stars? Can somebody have a better outlook on the Hawks future players?
- spanky

You last sentence.......NO is the answer. After watching tonites game , while every team would love to have the 5absolute core Hawk players in a NewYork minute, the Hawks have Dog Crap for depth , As it stands with everybody's dream rosters that are posted on these boards regarding fill ins, none of them guys could make any of the other playoff teams rosters yet they are being counted on as saviors for Chicago next season.
Rassmusson for starters is a a house league player, yet some think he can replace Andrew Shaw, 5,43,52 and 53 also should get jobs in the business or blue collar world and just be like the rest of us and play Beer league Hockey.
Those looking for Snarl out of Svedberg? I just laughed, He was Steve Otts personal jail slave in the Blues series, thank god his mommy wasn't sitting in the stands, she prolly would have went up to Ott and called him a bully for "picking" on her son.he's useless.
But given the 2 wonder twins eating up 21 mill of the cap while living up to their 1goal between the 2of them slogan, I guess not much else can be done, I think next year we get a lottery pick for 17, what a coincidence given the draft is here in 17, right up Johns Alley! Mean time these boards will be flamin plenty next season.
My other hunch is Panerin winds up in St Louis down the road with his buddy Tarasenko, hopefully Bowman can make a good hockey trade but I Am with others on this board doubting that big time. We will see come June 20 th.

I'm still confused by some fans reaction and calling for major change. I know the cap will likely force some change, but why should Stan move any salary beyond that (Seabrook, Kane, Crawford)?

The core is still uber talented and they'll bounce back next year. The team just needs more depth and that's a lot easier to acquire than star players. Plus, just because the boys had one early exit in the last 4 playoffs that doesn't mean the window of opportunity has shut.

If the final four this year lets take a look at how 3 teams finished last year:

1. San Jose - missed playoffs
2. St Louis - 1st round exit
3. Pittsburgh - 1st round exit (barely made 2nd wild card spot)

Is it that far fetched to believe that Chicago could be right back in the mix next season?

- DarthKane

and the award for best use of images on this site this year goes to DarthKane. Your stuff kills me.

and the award for best use of images on this site this year goes to DarthKane. Your stuff kills me.
- etchtech

I'm still confused by some fans reaction and calling for major change. I know the cap will likely force some change, but why should Stan move any salary beyond that (Seabrook, Kane, Crawford)?

The core is still uber talented and they'll bounce back next year. The team just needs more depth and that's a lot easier to acquire than star players. Plus, just because the boys had one early exit in the last 4 playoffs that doesn't mean the window of opportunity has shut.

If the final four this year lets take a look at how 3 teams finished last year:

1. San Jose - missed playoffs
2. St Louis - 1st round exit
3. Pittsburgh - 1st round exit (barely made 2nd wild card spot)

Is it that far fetched to believe that Chicago could be right back in the mix next season?
- DarthKane

Guess you have to define depth. D was the biggest issue in lack of depth. A true #4 is needed. How do you get that with the cap issues? You also have to identify who to keep moving forward. TT might have skill, but took a major step backwards. He appears too small to play C and at W looked afraid to go get the puck. Yes they will be in the mix, but I dont know how you get through the summer without trading someone to bring in the D help. Does buying out 29 give us enough room?

Q had the D playing all over. Not sure how effective that was, but he made it clear that he needs/wants a #4. Panik needs to be re-signed and Weise or Fleischman would be welcome back. The biggest issue and I said this before the playoffs is Q. There seems to be a disconnect with him and the upper management. We all can agree that he really did not play the best players he had available to him and it cost us. If he starts the line up he had in games 6-7 the entire series I think we win that.

His post game comments about Gus and his exit interveiw stuff really clouds the water. It comes across as ego-overdose and it needs to be looked at. It was brought up by another poster that the Hawks simply cant out skill teams like they used to. Fine. Change up the scheme. Thats on Q. Gotta play what you have to the best of its ability. If Q does not have the type of D to play the quick transition game, then the forwards have to be able to play the dump/chase game. As constructed, this team cannot consistently play either. The skill level is still there without a doubt. We may not be able to play at the speed we have in the past, but it can be done with adjustments.

Guess you have to define depth. D was the biggest issue in lack of depth. A true #4 is needed. How do you get that with the cap issues? You also have to identify who to keep moving forward. TT might have skill, but took a major step backwards. He appears too small to play C and at W looked afraid to go get the puck. Yes they will be in the mix, but I dont know how you get through the summer without trading someone to bring in the D help. Does buying out 29 give us enough room?

Q had the D playing all over. Not sure how effective that was, but he made it clear that he needs/wants a #4. Panik needs to be re-signed and Weise or Fleischman would be welcome back. The biggest issue and I said this before the playoffs is Q. There seems to be a disconnect with him and the upper management. We all can agree that he really did not play the best players he had available to him and it cost us. If he starts the line up he had in games 6-7 the entire series I think we win that.

His post game comments about Gus and his exit interveiw stuff really clouds the water. It comes across as ego-overdose and it needs to be looked at. It was brought up by another poster that the Hawks simply cant out skill teams like they used to. Fine. Change up the scheme. Thats on Q. Gotta play what you have to the best of its ability. If Q does not have the type of D to play the quick transition game, then the forwards have to be able to play the dump/chase game. As constructed, this team cannot consistently play either. The skill level is still there without a doubt. We may not be able to play at the speed we have in the past, but it can be done with adjustments.
- z1990z

I might take some heat for this, and I have said it before, but Gustafsson didn't play all that bad in the series. His first couple of games he played a safe game - got the puck out and took hits to make the right play. I do agree 110% that his game 7 was a bit questionable, and it was one terrible turnover that led to a goal. 2 and 7 played pretty bad that game also.

I personally think the kid has talent and should be kept unless a good offer comes along. He has the potential and has shown several flashes of good play.

Q is stubborn and that needs to change. New guys will (frank) up...it happens. Just gotta live with it and help them learn from their mistakes and not bench them for 3 games. It's all ego with this guy. Great coach, but he needs to adapt a bit.

You last sentence.......NO is the answer. After watching tonites game , while every team would love to have the 5absolute core Hawk players in a NewYork minute, the Hawks have Dog Crap for depth , As it stands with everybody's dream rosters that are posted on these boards regarding fill ins, none of them guys could make any of the other playoff teams rosters yet they are being counted on as saviors for Chicago next season.
Rassmusson for starters is a a house league player, yet some think he can replace Andrew Shaw, 5,43,52 and 53 also should get jobs in the business or blue collar world and just be like the rest of us and play Beer league Hockey.
Those looking for Snarl out of Svedberg? I just laughed, He was Steve Otts personal jail slave in the Blues series, thank god his mommy wasn't sitting in the stands, she prolly would have went up to Ott and called him a bully for "picking" on her son.he's useless.
But given the 2 wonder twins eating up 21 mill of the cap while living up to their 1goal between the 2of them slogan, I guess not much else can be done, I think next year we get a lottery pick for 17, what a coincidence given the draft is here in 17, right up Johns Alley! Mean time these boards will be flamin plenty next season.
My other hunch is Panerin winds up in St Louis down the road with his buddy Tarasenko, hopefully Bowman can make a good hockey trade but I Am with others on this board doubting that big time. We will see come June 20 th.
- wonthecup10

You "geniuses" need to stop with this Panarin to St. Louis narrative.

It's NOT going to happen - and you sound foolish when you say it.

Something to remember about Panarin's situation in Chicago: There is a HUGE Russian population living here - and they make fellow countryman feel at home.

From speaking with someone close to him - he really liked having a lot of people from his home country here - it made the transition to the U.S. a lot more comfortable for him. That is not something you can easily put a dollar on.

He also LOVES playing with Patrick Kane - and believes they are only going to get better the more they play together - again something you can't put a dollar on.

So, to all you doomsday predictors - please stop. Artemy Panarin is a priority for this organization. With the 5 percent increase per year in the cap - which the players will vote for every year - the Hawks will find it in the budget to keep him.

I'm still confused by some fans reaction and calling for major change. I know the cap will likely force some change, but why should Stan move any salary beyond that (Seabrook, Kane, Crawford)?

The core is still uber talented and they'll bounce back next year. The team just needs more depth and that's a lot easier to acquire than star players. Plus, just because the boys had one early exit in the last 4 playoffs that doesn't mean the window of opportunity has shut.

If the final four this year lets take a look at how 3 teams finished last year:

1. San Jose - missed playoffs
2. St Louis - 1st round exit
3. Pittsburgh - 1st round exit (barely made 2nd wild card spot)

Is it that far fetched to believe that Chicago could be right back in the mix next season?
- DarthKane

Honestly I'm not confused or surprised anymore. I knew this reaction was coming after experiencing the reaction from those very same fans after the 2014 WCF, and it is what it is. Our entire fan base is spoiled. Its not just this site, all Hawks fan sits right now are filled with spoiled fans whining about everything from Bowman to Q to the players. Its sad, it really is. Had a great season during a retooling year with half the roster changed up against the fact that nobody EVER repeats, and came down to a dead even 7 game series against probably the best team in the NHL and possible eventual champ. Not good enough though for our insanely spoiled fans. The GM can't build winning teams(even though he's proven he can multiple times), the coach can't coach, the players are overpaid, and our future looks gloomy. Oh well, just ignore and find something else to do. Wait for the season to start up.

Honestly I'm not confused or surprised anymore. I knew this reaction was coming after experiencing the reaction from those very same fans after the 2014 WCF, and it is what it is. Our entire fan base is spoiled. Its not just this site, all Hawks fan sits right now are filled with spoiled fans whining about everything from Bowman to Q to the players. Its sad, it really is. Had a great season during a retooling year with half the roster changed up against the fact that nobody EVER repeats, and came down to a dead even 7 game series against probably the best team in the NHL and possible eventual champ. Not good enough though for our insanely spoiled fans. The GM can't build winning teams(even though he's proven he can multiple times), the coach can't coach, the players are overpaid, and our future looks gloomy. Oh well, just ignore and find something else to do. Wait for the season to start up.
- SimpleJack

Rocky could fix this very bleak situation quickly by getting together with Ted Leonsis before the draft and trade his entire team, coaching staff and management group to Washington for their entire team, coaches and managers. Then there would be a hockey team in Chicago to be proud of.

I'm still confused by some fans reaction and calling for major change. I know the cap will likely force some change, but why should Stan move any salary beyond that (Seabrook, Kane, Crawford)?

The core is still uber talented and they'll bounce back next year. The team just needs more depth and that's a lot easier to acquire than star players. Plus, just because the boys had one early exit in the last 4 playoffs that doesn't mean the window of opportunity has shut.

If the final four this year lets take a look at how 3 teams finished last year:

1. San Jose - missed playoffs
2. St Louis - 1st round exit
3. Pittsburgh - 1st round exit (barely made 2nd wild card spot)

Is it that far fetched to believe that Chicago could be right back in the mix next season?
- DarthKane

Most of the major change relates to the Cap situation. No ONE WANTS to get rid of Crawford (or whoever), but some big money is gonna have to move. I think in a perfect world most of us DO THINK this team is good enough to compete, IF we could find another center, another 4/5 type D-man, would be nice to have a scoring winger with 19, find some depth players (possibly in the system already) then we could be right back in it. But we CAN NOT get those pieces and in fact just to field a stable team next year (I figure roughly 7 million for 8 guys thats even with losing Shaw) of warm bodies isnt even going to be easy.

What those pieces are going to be as it looks right now is a combination of prospects, fliers and dustbin bargain options. Do the Hawks really want to go this path? One or two significant injuries and this team could literally challenge for a #1 pick, the depth is looking so bleak.

Nothing to be done, certain players deserved the raises they got. The hard cap is not in operation to create a great sport, but rather to equalize competition so corporate advertiser dollars don't dry up with perennial bottom feeders. It's the "Nascar" mentality where the car always running at the back needs to be helped along to get to the front so Joe Sponsor gets his name on the TV. It's all a joke. I don't think teams should spend like the Yankees, but teams should be allowed concessions when they identify and home grow talent.

Q should ask Mike Ditka about that
- tim62b

Thats who I think he reminds me of at the end of his tenure with the Bears

Q failed miserably this year with his personnel decisions

I think Daley never had a chance her because Q wanted Oduya resigned and when that didn't happen he decided to show the front office his displeasure by never giving Daley a chance

Q IMHO destroyed team chemistry and moral with his coaching decisions that ultimately lead to the playoff exit

Does anyone know if Rocky is a Pro-Bettman, or Anti-Bettman owner?
- powerenforcer

When in doubt, follow the money PE. You'd have a hard time figuring out who loves it more.

Becoming harder to play against is not a one or two player thing. If Shaw goes you lose a lot that is just not replaceable, and it has much more to do with his heart, drive and intangibles than his playing abilities.

More to your point, it is time the Hawks made some changes to their systems and style of play. The league has adjusted to them and as of yet Q has made very few changes to counteract this. The Hawks no longer possess the skill gap that they once did. They can't just step on the ice and "out-skill" teams, now they are going to need to work a little harder and change things up to be less predictable. They willed their way to the cup last season and still had just enough talent in the tank to squeak past ANA and TB. That gap is gone. It's time for Q and the coaches to step up and make a difference.
- TheTrob

Completely agree.

Thats who I think he reminds me of at the end of his tenure with the Bears

Q failed miserably this year with his personnel decisions

I think Daley never had a chance her because Q wanted Oduya resigned and when that didn't happen he decided to show the front office his displeasure by never giving Daley a chance

Q IMHO destroyed team chemistry and moral with his coaching decisions that ultimately lead to the playoff exit
- molly2522

Q has been hot garbage with his line up decisions. In the past the Hawks massive talent has made up for Q being Q. But even then the Hawks won series in 6 or 7 games instead of 5 or 6.

Never ever ever will understand how Mashinter , Rubsbad , Bollig , ect dressed in playoff games when better options were available

Thats who I think he reminds me of at the end of his tenure with the Bears

Q failed miserably this year with his personnel decisions

I think Daley never had a chance her because Q wanted Oduya resigned and when that didn't happen he decided to show the front office his displeasure by never giving Daley a chance

Q IMHO destroyed team chemistry and moral with his coaching decisions that ultimately lead to the playoff exit
- molly2522

Q has been hot garbage with his line up decisions. In the past the Hawks massive talent has made up for Q being Q. But even then the Hawks won series in 6 or 7 games instead of 5 or 6.

Never ever ever will understand how Mashinter , Rubsbad , Bollig , ect dressed in playoff games when better options were available

You "geniuses" need to stop with this Panarin to St. Louis narrative.

It's NOT going to happen - and you sound foolish when you say it.

Something to remember about Panarin's situation in Chicago: There is a HUGE Russian population living here - and they make fellow countryman feel at home.

From speaking with someone close to him - he really liked having a lot of people from his home country here - it made the transition to the U.S. a lot more comfortable for him. That is not something you can easily put a dollar on.

He also LOVES playing with Patrick Kane - and believes they are only going to get better the more they play together - again something you can't put a dollar on.

So, to all you doomsday predictors - please stop. Artemy Panarin is a priority for this organization. With the 5 percent increase per year in the cap - which the players will vote for every year - the Hawks will find it in the budget to keep him.
- dahawks8819

That would bring the cap up to about 75 million next year. According to generalfanager, The Hawks would then have about 9 million to spend, but I think they need about 8 players. If Scuds retires, they would have an extra million, and I think that generalfanager is counting the full 4 million cap hit from Bickell, so that would be another million, since he'll be buried in Rockford, bringing the total cap space to 11 million potentially. If you think Panik could be 1LW, and Kempny/TVR could be 4D, their only glaring hole would be the 4th line (probably a combo of Motte, Schmaltz, Moose, Mash , maybe McNeill, Hartman, Baun, Kero). That's a lot of ELC players, and no Shaw, but they would give the ELC players some valuable experience (If Q lets them), and leave them some cap room for TDL acquisitions. It also leaves them Gus/Sved/Pokka for 6-8D, but maybe without Rozy skating on one leg, they could be ok.
By not buying out Bickell, you would get 3 million in cap relief for next summer, and combined with another 5% cap increase, hopefully that would be enough to hang on to Panarin and Darling.

You "geniuses" need to stop with this Panarin to St. Louis narrative.

It's NOT going to happen - and you sound foolish when you say it.

Something to remember about Panarin's situation in Chicago: There is a HUGE Russian population living here - and they make fellow countryman feel at home.

From speaking with someone close to him - he really liked having a lot of people from his home country here - it made the transition to the U.S. a lot more comfortable for him. That is not something you can easily put a dollar on.

He also LOVES playing with Patrick Kane - and believes they are only going to get better the more they play together - again something you can't put a dollar on.

So, to all you doomsday predictors - please stop. Artemy Panarin is a priority for this organization. With the 5 percent increase per year in the cap - which the players will vote for every year - the Hawks will find it in the budget to keep him.
- dahawks8819

At some point - if HRR doesn't keep up - the escrow will become so onerous that the players will stop approving the escalation.

I repeat:

Rundblad. Orval Tessier. 1987 Chrysler K-Car. Illinois Masonic Hospital. Heart Transplant.
- John Jaeckel

John just catching up and this one really gave me a chuckle this morning.

Meanwhile the debate rages on...and it looks like more Hawks are going to be launched off the island for more garbage. Stan has become a master at this.

David Rundblad is example A as to why Stan has no business running this team. I love when people say well this didn't effect the Oduya situation its not the same cap hit. The fact that the GM had just watched this guy crap the bed in the playoffs and then ran out and immediately signed him raises major red flags. Why would you waste one dollar on this guy? The other thing is Stan knew as soon as the parade ended he needed a #4dman...Yet his priorities were signing his worst defenseman and not getting rid of Bryan Bickell. And then franking up the Sharp deal.

As Kwolf has pointed out in the last several pages Bowman has made bad trade after bad trade and now the cupboard at the rock is bare. In regard to Pokka there's slow and then there's Pokka.

I also love Kuc's trumpeting of Forsling...what a joke. Kempny and Campbell would certainly help. We'll see what happens. Agree with Rainman on the great Barry Rosner...a McD lackey through and through.

Nice to see the Preds out...I'm sure McCann will find a way to blame the Hawks for their ouster...lol...

Why do I get the sad feeling the Blues will win it this year and all summer I'll have Seabrook ' s shot ringing off the posts going through my head.
That and wondering why we just didn't keep Daley for at least this year. Oh and why Q just didn't play the 12 best forwards for the entire series.