One thing I do agree with you on, Oduya was the right choice and was perfect in Chicago. Better management of the Sharp mess (MOVE HIM SOONER) and Oduya is still in Chicago and we're possibly talking about a WCF matchup with the Sharks or Preds.
- kwolf68

Can't assume you move Sharp earlier and still win last year.

I thought the gum under the barrel was scraped when they had to play Gustafsson. If Pokka is worse, hopefully this Kempny is adequate
- PatShart

Kempny

KHL - Regular season - 59 games, 5G, 16A, +18
Playoffs - 11 games, 2G, 2A

World Cup - 4 games, 1A, +4

Plays on the left side

Can't assume you move Sharp earlier and still win last year.
- dstainer

The ONLY thing I assume about Sharp is moving him earlier ABSOLUTELY would have given us a better deal. That's just common sense. Unless you have zero knowledge of business and economics this is pretty certain. When I say "better deal" I just mean not getting taken.

Does it mean we win the Cup this year? Absolutely not. But we may still have Johns, may have retained Oduya, etc.

Bowman did it with Leddy. Waited to the last minute and really got nothing for him. The NHL is now littered with former Hawks players who were acquired for jack squat. That's a disturbing trend.

Yes, the move to GET Leddy, to get Johnny O, perhaps to get Panik, the Europeon moves are nice gets, but you can't have 1 good move then 3 poopty ones and expect to maintain.

I still argue the core overcomes a lot of the mistakes....2, 19, 88, 81, 7, and 4 are beyond special.

And just ignore the fact Sharp would have to agree to any trade. Because that isn't a hurdle in itself. And I'm sure Sharp's agent was heavily involved when NTC's get waived for his clients best interest. Trades don't just happen over night.

So...find a good/cup contending team with the cap room to take a player with 5.9mil for two more years left - that wants to give you a top player/prospect in return when they don't have to.

Should have been a slam dunk, I get it.
- PatShart

Find me a cap contending team with 5.9 in cap space. Look at the playoff teams and find me one that could take 5.9mil in salary without giving salary back. Looking at CapFriendly there are exactly two teams: Nashville and Anaheim (maybe Islanders small contract would have to come back).

Nashville is the only team that hasn't spent to the cap that's still in the playoffs.

The ONLY thing I assume about Sharp is moving him earlier ABSOLUTELY would have given us a better deal. That's just common sense. Unless you have zero knowledge of business and economics this is pretty certain. When I say "better deal" I just mean not getting taken.

Does it mean we win the Cup this year? Absolutely not. But we may still have Johns, may have retained Oduya, etc.

Bowman did it with Leddy. Waited to the last minute and really got nothing for him. The NHL is now littered with former Hawks players who were acquired for jack squat. That's a disturbing trend.

Yes, the move to GET Leddy, to get Johnny O, perhaps to get Panik, the Europeon moves are nice gets, but you can't have 1 good move then 3 poopty ones and expect to maintain.

I still argue the core overcomes a lot of the mistakes....2, 19, 88, 81, 7, and 4 are beyond special.
- kwolf68

You're on fire this morning Wolf! Good stuff

If you think TVR's foot speed and stride aren't good, you're in for some real fun. I'm telling you this guy is nothing more than AHL quality unless Stan really starts scraping the bottom of the barrel or has to sell off far more than any of us are predicting. Won't see a Blackhawk sweater on him.
- savvyone-1

All I´m saying is that he is not the fastest out there but still better than Gustafsson who is way better skater than TVR. I think Pokka has better chance to make it someday that you believe.

You're on fire this morning Wolf! Good stuff
- EnzoD

LOL...Maybe I'm just pissy because my new PeeWee team coming up next year has a SEVERE defensive deficiency and I am taking it out on Stanley. I am sure I can find a way to blame him.

So lets pretend about this Sharp "better trade out there that Stan refused to take" deal...

Cup contending teams Sharp probably would have wanted to go to -
ANA
LA
DAL
STL
WASH
TAMPA
PITT

Now...which one had cap room
ANA - at internal ceiling
LA - at cap, even made BOS retain 50% Lucic hit w/1yr left
DAL
STL - no room
WASH - no room
TAMPA - no room
PITT - possible before getting Kessel

So...of Cup contenders, there was PITT & DAL - am I missing a team?

Then, having a NTC - if you were Sharp, would you prefer PITT when Johnston was there, different conf - or DAL - warmer weather (I'm sure the wife has a say so), no state taxes -more money, stay in same conference. Not sure who Sharp is friends with either...maybe he knew some guys in DAL that recruited him too. And it's not coincidence Sharp's agent is also the agent for Daley...for Spezza...

I guess part of my frustrations is seeing our fans beat up Seabrook and Toews, even talking of trading them. I am not sure of much with our Blackhawks, but 2 things I AM SURE of are those two guys.

Kempny

KHL - Regular season - 59 games, 5G, 16A, +18
Playoffs - 11 games, 2G, 2A

World Cup - 4 games, 1A, +4

Plays on the left side
- Return of the Roar

What I´ve heard he likes to play physical too.

Hey Pat, if Pokka was better, don't you think Stan and Q would have at least given him a sniff up here? Much less skate him ahead of Gus?

IMO, Stan hasn't yet gotten to the bottom of the barrel but Pokka's not too far away.

- savvyone-1

Maybe...or maybe because Pokka's hit was 925k and Gustafsson (667k - I just sharted myself seeing how much he makes) and Iceberg (575k) made less had cap implications.

I have no idea what any of the slugs in Rockford look like, so usually I'm either pleasantly surprised or usually ho-hum when they come up

Can't assume you move Sharp earlier and still win last year.
- dstainer

I think they mean sooner as in before the draft.

I guess part of my frustrations is seeing our fans beat up Seabrook and Toews, even talking of trading them. I am not sure of much with our Blackhawks, but 2 things I AM SURE of are those two guys.
- kwolf68

You don't trade either of those two....thats foolish.







Unless it's Toews...then, yes. For Leddy.

So lets pretend about this Sharp "better trade out there that Stan refused to take" deal...

Cup contending teams Sharp probably would have wanted to go to -
ANA
LA
DAL
STL
WASH
TAMPA
PITT

Now...which one had cap room
ANA - at internal ceiling
LA - at cap, even made BOS retain 50% Lucic hit w/1yr left
DAL
STL - no room
WASH - no room
TAMPA - no room
PITT - possible before getting Kessel

So...of Cup contenders, there was PITT & DAL - am I missing a team?

Then, having a NTC - if you were Sharp, would you prefer PITT when Johnston was there, different conf - or DAL - warmer weather (I'm sure the wife has a say so), no state taxes -more money, stay in same conference. Not sure who Sharp is friends with either...maybe he knew some guys in DAL that recruited him too. And it's not coincidence Sharp's agent is also the agent for Daley...for Spezza...
- PatShart

Maybe I should have made it clearer, but the initial Sharp trade didn't just end with him being moved, it ended when the Hawks got rid of the two players brought in for Sharp, both traded for one guy cut and one guy buried in the minors. THEN because Garbutt is traded off the Hawks need to add "depth" forwards so they trade off another prospect + pick for a depth forward. Daley is sent off and the Hawks try the "4 D with mirrors" gig again. Players sent for "depth forwards" that spent most of the time in the press box could have possibly been used to correct the Daley mistake.

Look at the entire trade flowchart it's idiocy.

You don't trade either of those two....thats foolish.







Unless it's Toews...then, yes. For Leddy.
- PatShart

Rumor from JJ was Montreal

So lets pretend about this Sharp "better trade out there that Stan refused to take" deal...

Cup contending teams Sharp probably would have wanted to go to -
ANA
LA
DAL
STL
WASH
TAMPA
PITT

Now...which one had cap room
ANA - at internal ceiling
LA - at cap, even made BOS retain 50% Lucic hit w/1yr left
DAL
STL - no room
WASH - no room
TAMPA - no room
PITT - possible before getting Kessel

So...of Cup contenders, there was PITT & DAL - am I missing a team?

Then, having a NTC - if you were Sharp, would you prefer PITT when Johnston was there, different conf - or DAL - warmer weather (I'm sure the wife has a say so), no state taxes -more money, stay in same conference. Not sure who Sharp is friends with either...maybe he knew some guys in DAL that recruited him too. And it's not coincidence Sharp's agent is also the agent for Daley...for Spezza...
- PatShart

Maybe I should have made it clearer, but the initial Sharp trade didn't just end with him being moved, it ended when the Hawks got rid of the two players brought in for Sharp, both traded for one guy cut and one guy buried in the minors. THEN because Garbutt is traded off the Hawks need to add "depth" forwards so they trade off another prospect + pick for a depth forward. Daley is sent off and the Hawks try the "4 D with mirrors" gig again. Players sent for "depth forwards" that spent most of the time in the press box could have possibly been used to correct the Daley mistake.

Look at the entire trade flowchart it's idiocy.
- kwolf68

Or...Dallas wanted to rid themselves of cap hits - since they were near the limit as well - and had to move 4.2mil to take on 5.9mil.

If Garbutt was still here, he's a guaranteed contract this year. As was Daley. What kind of cap mess would this team be in adding that 4.2mil right now?

You don't trade either of those two....thats foolish.







Unless it's Toews...then, yes. For Leddy.
- PatShart

well played

Maybe I should have made it clearer, but the initial Sharp trade didn't just end with him being moved, it ended when the Hawks got rid of the two players brought in for Sharp, both traded for one guy cut and one guy buried in the minors. THEN because Garbutt is traded off the Hawks need to add "depth" forwards so they trade off another prospect + pick for a depth forward. Daley is sent off and the Hawks try the "4 D with mirrors" gig again. Players sent for "depth forwards" that spent most of the time in the press box could have possibly been used to correct the Daley mistake.

Look at the entire trade flowchart it's idiocy.
- kwolf68

You should make this flowchart on a big piece of poster board and then display it when you go ask a question at the Blackhawks Convention.

Can you sneak in an easel? Come up to the mic, plop down the easel and display the flowchart. "Uh, Mr. Bowman, I took the liberty of making a flowchart of the transactions this last year. They look especially ridiculous when presented this way. Comments?"

The beat reporters would probably spontaneously combust because you had the guts to actually ask a good question.

Or...Dallas wanted to rid themselves of cap hits - since they were near the limit as well - and had to move 4.2mil to take on 5.9mil.

If Garbutt was still here, he's a guaranteed contract this year. As was Daley. What kind of cap mess would this team be in adding that 4.2mil right now?
- PatShart

Without even going into debating this awesome bit of spin, you need to subtract 1.25 million right away for Rob Scuderi.

I'm really not trolling....I know most of this board hates the guy....but is there any snowball's chance in Hades that Runny starts the year with the big club? The separation of "quality" on the current roster of #6D-#8D is not huge.

For those who know more of the "behind the scenes" efforts of the Hawks roster, is it out of the question to expect DR to significantly improve this year? I know people question his instincts and reactions, but isn't being a D-man one of the longest learning curves for development? One would think that if he "bought in" and trained with some of the leaders (2/4/7) this summer, he might be a better fit than some of the other guys that we keep trotting out.
- phantasmo

Yes.

He's a guy Orval Tessier would have driven to the hospital for a "heart transplant."

You should make this flowchart on a big piece of poster board and then display it when you go ask a question at the Blackhawks Convention.

Can you sneak in an easel? Come up to the mic, plop down the easel and display the flowchart. "Uh, Mr. Bowman, I took the liberty of making a flowchart of the transactions this last year. They look especially ridiculous when presented this way. Comments?"

The beat reporters would probably spontaneously combust because you had the guts to actually ask a good question.
- DMChi2010

You would never make it past the McPolice.

You would never make it past the McPolice.
- Return of the Roar

Drop the easel part of it then. Recruit a friend to come to the mic with you and hold the poster board.

For the message, use some invisible ink on the back side of a poster board that says "Bowman + Q = Perfection." The McPolice will let you in when they see that bit of propaganda. But that's when you develop the invisible ink on the reverse side before you walk up to the mic.

All I´m saying is that he is not the fastest out there but still better than Gustafsson who is way better skater than TVR. I think Pokka has better chance to make it someday that you believe.
- MjulQvist

Admittedly, I have not seen him play much at all. But what I have seen kind of dovetailed with what I heard, lack of mobility will limit him. Add Pokka to the LONG list right now of guys who will be marginal NHLers this year at best.

The ONE guy I think who MIGHT be able to step up is Svedberg if he gains some confidence and starts to make quicker decisions. And speaking of heart, if Svedberg ever got a little burr under his saddle and a wee bit of nasty, you might really have something there.

Right now he is a soft as baby poop pylon with a large wingspan who can make a decent pass now and then.

Maybe I should have made it clearer, but the initial Sharp trade didn't just end with him being moved, it ended when the Hawks got rid of the two players brought in for Sharp, both traded for one guy cut and one guy buried in the minors. THEN because Garbutt is traded off the Hawks need to add "depth" forwards so they trade off another prospect + pick for a depth forward. Daley is sent off and the Hawks try the "4 D with mirrors" gig again. Players sent for "depth forwards" that spent most of the time in the press box could have possibly been used to correct the Daley mistake.

Look at the entire trade flowchart it's idiocy.
- kwolf68

We all knew that Sharp was going to be a salary dump. We had low expectations before the trade actually happened. When it was all finished up what did we have left? Just $1,125,000 of cap money retained.

So if I would have said before the trade occurred that you could trade Sharp and would have to retain only 1.125 of cap space we all would've probably jumped at the chance. Just took a little more of a roundabout way of getting there.

Note that if Scuderi retires than that 1.125 is gone as well.