Shaw is a much better player then Weise can even dream of being.
- TTtime

The Chicago chapter of the Dale Weise Fan Club won't be happy with this statement. He's the Dutch Gretzky, haven't you heard?

And people thought my Bolland bashing was bad....just wait.....the Hawks are BETTER with Shaw+Rasmussen then Kruger and whoever. I'm still waiting for somebody to justify this Kruger deal. The guy has gone something like 48 or 49 games without a goal. That's John Scott like.....in today's NHL...and the scary part is you rarely notice Kruger having real life scoring chances....not some whacked out sabremetrics that at one time was heralding Rundblad as some viable asset.

I'll get lit up and left for dead after this but I truly feel this Kruger deal is WORSE then what they paid Bickell. At least 29 produced and was seen, wrongly, as a power forward. I don't know what the hell they seen in Kruger.....at that price.
- SteveRain

well in the last thread someone claimed that Toews' contract is second only to Bickell's as an anchor, so I doubt you'll get lit up for this if he didn't

The Chicago chapter of the Dale Weise Fan Club won't be happy with this statement. He's the Dutch Gretzky, haven't you heard?
- RickJ

I like Wiese. Wouldn't go as far as to say he's an amazing talent, but he's a good role player. Works hard and plays physical--something 90% of the Hawks don't do.

He certainly didn't get a fair chance here, no denying that.

believe this years injury issues are stemming from his ankle/achilles injury from last year, not related to his prior back issues
- hawkeytalkman

Doesn't really matter why. Bolland has only played in 136 of a possible 328 games over the last 4 years. An average of 34 games a season is not going to get it done.

I like Wiese. Wouldn't go as far as to say he's an amazing talent, but he's a good role player. Works hard and plays physical--something 90% of the Hawks don't do.

He certainly didn't get a fair chance here, no denying that.
- Hank3Henshaw

He had plenty of chances and brought zilch to the table and Q recognized it. He's a very marginal NHL winger who's ceiling is as a 4th liner/depth forward on a good NHL team. Vancouver or New Jersey sign guys like him.

I like Wiese. Wouldn't go as far as to say he's an amazing talent, but he's a good role player. Works hard and plays physical--something 90% of the Hawks don't do.

He certainly didn't get a fair chance here, no denying that.
- Hank3Henshaw

Yup... Completely mismanaged. Stan has made some poor moves, but adding someone like him is precisely what Chi needed to push through the brutal Western Conference series' and Q gave Stan the middle finger by keeping him in the press-box... Then complained about not being able to roll 4 lines... Its laughable because post-deadline I don't think there were many teams (on paper) that could have matched our depth if 4-lines were run correctly from the onset. One of the great mysteries of coaching decisions...

Hard to say, dealing rights a week before the guy could go to RFA is tricky. But it gets done. Def a late first round pick at minimum IMO, player/prospect wise harder to say.
- John Jaeckel

And there are plenty of teams with two first rounders plus if Troy Brouwer can net a late first rounder, I think Shaw can as well.

same, Shaw is one of the very few players on the team who shows up to every game and gives everything he has. I also want him to stay for selfish reasons, as I just got his sweater this past season
- maria_wyeth

Totally agree Maria. This is a "soft" team physically and if Shaw gets moved, next regular season is going to be a snore !! He is the ONLY Hawk that brings intensity and passion game in and game out. That's how he has become an accomplished NHL player and his grit can't be matched by anybody. If it would become a choice between him and Krueger to be dealt, I'd rather move Krueger....... for ALL the reasons
SR has posted. Fine MESS our genius capologist has gotten us into again.

John, Any idea why Seabs and his agent bent over Stan so much? We upgraded him to the A and he was a solid 2/3 Defender not getting any younger. how does that come up with being the 9 highest paid D player in the league next year, and a full NMC, and given a 8 year deal kicking in at 31?

http://www.spotrac.com/nh.../2016/cap-hit/defenseman/
- kmw4631

Four guys I want to reserve judgement on due to the amount of hockey they've played the last few years, and especially in last season's playoffs, then the post-Cup stuff all summer, and because they've had some injuries last year: Seabrook, Keith, Toews and Hossa.

Seems like all four of these guys are getting written off at this point to some degree, and I'm not sure any are done or on the downward side (except probably Hossa, who is still physical marvel at 38).

He had plenty of chances and brought zilch to the table and Q recognized it. He's a very marginal NHL winger who's ceiling is as a 4th liner/depth forward on a good NHL team. Vancouver or New Jersey sign guys like him.
- RickJ

I disagree. I think one of the more glaring coaching staff/front office flaws is fear of the new face. There seems to be a fear of playing new guys or giving players consistent reps and the chance to catch a groove or learn the system. Tough to play a night here and there (if lucky), then be in the press box for a long stretch, then back in for a couple games and press-boxed again.

Sekac was a casualty of this fear. Wiese will most likely be as well. Even Panik was almost buried in obscurity.

It sometimes seems that if you make one mistake, you're done. It can't be that way with new or young players. There has to be a margin for error in order to grow with the club.

Yup... Completely mismanaged. Stan has made some poor moves, but adding someone like him is precisely what Chi needed to push through the brutal Western Conference series' and Q gave Stan the middle finger by keeping him in the press-box... Then complained about not being able to roll 4 lines... Its laughable because post-deadline I don't think there were many teams (on paper) that could have matched our depth if 4-lines were run correctly from the onset. One of the great mysteries of coaching decisions...
- Frenchy4488

So lets blame Weise's performance on Q only. Good old Dale should have been able to push the Hawks thru to a Cup win - if only the coach would have been patient and given him a chance.

I will give you 8 bottom of the roster players still in the playoffs who are really contributing to their teams - Eaves, Janmark, Scevior, Arvidsson, Salomaki, Jarnkrok, Tierney and Donskoi. That's in the West alone, I won't even mention guys with Pittsburgh. Weise brought nothing close in performance by comparison.

...and the Sharp trade
...and the Saad trade
...and paying too much for Kane and Toews
...and the poor deadline deals this season
...and for all things Teravainen
...and for overpaying for Seabrook
...and for likely losing Shaw
...and trading Daley
...and for playing TvR too much
...and for trading and re-signing Rundblad (ok, this one is fair)
...and for not trading or buying out Bickell
...and trading Leddy
...and not giving young guys a chance (Q hates young guys)
...and trading Anders Nilsson
...and trading Garbutt
...and waiving Sekac
...and waiving Tikhonov
...and all things Mashinter (ok, this one is fair too)


Did I miss anything?
- DarthKane

Nailed it !!! Oh maybe losing Frolik...... but he got paid a lot to move on and we certainly couldn't afford that money based on a lot of the above.... Loved Fro !!

Teams I would watch with regard to Crawford: Buffalo, Winnipeg, Philadelphia, Toronto, Arizona, the Islanders and Ottawa.

LOL becuz philly and goaltending problems amirite?
- YuenglingJagr

Oversimplification.

Would you swap Mason for Crawford? Maybe better put: who wouldn't?

For the Hawks, Mason becomes a one-year bridge as a highly paid backup. For the Flyers, a team on the rise, you can go pretty deep next year guaranteed with a Corey Crawford.

I know you guys disagree, but it does seem to make some sense as a possibility.

So lets blame Weise's performance on Q only. Good old Dale should have been able to push the Hawks thru to a Cup win - if only the coach would have been patient and given him a chance.

I will give you 8 bottom of the roster players still in the playoffs who are really contributing to their teams - Eaves, Janmark, Scevior, Arvidsson, Salomaki, Jarnkrok, Tierney and Donskoi. That's in the West alone, I won't even mention guys with Pittsburgh. Weise brought nothing close in performance by comparison.
- RickJ

Nobody said playing Weise wins the Hawks a cup this year, but mismanaging the assets brought in at the deadline is why we are having this convo. Last year the Hawks made it by playing rope-a-dope... Heck, Kesler came out and said they were going to try and run our D-Men through the boards all series long... Knowing full and well that there was NOTHING we could do about it and we had nobody to run their guys back.

We needed size and depth to bite back in a very tough and physical conference... Stan added that... Q left it in the pressbox. We didn't field the best lineup from the start, and that's a fact. Weise likely was a 4th line guy but SHOULD have been playing in all 7 games... He is one example of the OVERLYING problem that the best lineup was not put out there. Only one word need be said... Mashinter

...and the Sharp trade
...and the Saad trade
...and paying too much for Kane and Toews
...and the poor deadline deals this season
...and for all things Teravainen
...and for overpaying for Seabrook
...and for likely losing Shaw
...and trading Daley
...and for playing TvR too much
...and for trading and re-signing Rundblad (ok, this one is fair)
...and for not trading or buying out Bickell
...and trading Leddy
...and not giving young guys a chance (Q hates young guys)
...and trading Anders Nilsson
...and trading Garbutt
...and waiving Sekac
...and waiving Tikhonov
...and all things Mashinter (ok, this one is fair too)


Did I miss anything?
- DarthKane

Trading two 2nd round picks for a 40 year old Timonen coming off double blood clots?

this blog is amazing; 250 posts in a few hours to jabber/yammer about cap/trade nonsense while the other blogs with teams still playing; its crickets chirping...

my trade of the summer...kane to buffalo for a boatload and 10 mil in space...there ya go..

notice how well the bolts doing without UFA stamkos...message to stevie: let him walk and don't cap hell your team over the 2 years with 7-8 UFA and RFAs including, hedman, bishop, kilhorn, kucherov etc...

Since we have no idea of what is demands are or what the all else may be, trading him and signing Weise makes the team worse. IMO.
- TTtime

I believe that at least some of the "all else" is Shaw's back problems, which are recurring and likely much worse than the team lets on. We know for a fact that during the finals last year his back spasmed during morning skate and he couldn't move at all, and was with the trainers at the rink all day before playing that night. And that's just one incident that actually got disclosed to the media.

off-topic, but thinking of Shaw in the finals last year reminded me that he bite Hedman

Four guys I want to reserve judgement on due to the amount of hockey they've played the last few years, and especially in last season's playoffs, then the post-Cup stuff all summer, and because they've had some injuries last year: Seabrook, Keith, Toews and Hossa.

Seems like all four of these guys are getting written off at this point to some degree, and I'm not sure any are done or on the downward side (except probably Hossa, who is still physical marvel at 38).
- John Jaeckel

Agreed JJ........ but of the 4..... only Keith is a bargain at his Cap hit. I wouldn't be upset if ANY one of those 4 would get moved... BUT....... for the right deal only..... and I'm definitely not confident that our GM could ever do accomplish anything of the sort. He's better at bringing in the Pasani's, Brunette's and Timmonen's !!

So much woe on this thread today... how about remembering that the Blackhawks are still the current Stanley Cup Champions? My point is, you gotta enjoy it while you got it. We can cry in our beer in five years.

Nobody said playing Weise wins the Hawks a cup this year, but mismanaging the assets brought in at the deadline is why we are having this convo. Last year the Hawks made it by playing rope-a-dope... Heck, Kesler came out and said they were going to try and run our D-Men through the boards all series long... Knowing full and well that there was NOTHING we could do about it and we had nobody to run their guys back.

We needed size and depth to bite back in a very tough and physical conference... Stan added that... Q left it in the pressbox. We didn't field the best lineup from the start, and that's a fact. Weise likely was a 4th line guy but SHOULD have been playing in all 7 games... He is one example of the OVERLYING problem that the best lineup was not put out there. Only one word need be said... Mashinter
- Frenchy4488

OK, so Weise is better than Mashinter, whoopdie-do. He posted a goal and an assist in 19 games total. What would he have had if he had played in 3 more playoff games - another point and a couple of hits?

It was Panik who stepped up and provided speed and some physical play and took playing time from Weise and Fleischman. Disappointingly, Weise did squat in a Hawk jersey.

this blog is amazing; 250 posts in a few hours to jabber/yammer about cap/trade nonsense while the other blogs with teams still playing; its crickets chirping...

my trade of the summer...kane to buffalo for a boatload and 10 mil in space...there ya go..

notice how well the bolts doing without UFA stamkos...message to stevie: let him walk and don't cap hell your team over the 2 years with 7-8 UFA and RFAs including, hedman, bishop, kilhorn, kucherov etc...
- bogiedoc

Stevie Y should have moved Stammer at the TDL for a king's ransom. Instead, he's going to get the Ryan Suter treatment. A whole bunch of nothing...

There is no way in the world Weise is more skilled then Shaw. In Montreal he was used in a role because of injuries and had a very hot start due to an unsustainable shooting percentage. Weise can't play center. OR LW for that matter. He sure the heck can't be used in a shutdown role. He is terrible defensively.

Also. Go look at what Weise did over the 65 games of the season. Weise barely sniffed 20 goals in 2 seasons let alone one.

Shaw is better and its not even close.
- TTtime

And that's why Shaw will be making 3x more than Weise on the next contract. From a salary cap pov, Weise is more valuable than Shaw to this team. (Of course, every one here would prefer Shaw).

Stevie Y should have moved Stammer at the TDL for a king's ransom. Instead, he's going to get the Ryan Suter treatment. A whole bunch of nothing...
- EnzoD

The way TBL are going Stamkos might be back in time for the finals to help them win a cup

OK, so Weise is better than Mashinter, whoopdie-do. He posted a goal and an assist in 19 games total. What would he have had if he had played in 3 more playoff games - another point and a couple of hits?

It was Panik who stepped up and provided speed and some physical play and took playing time from Weise and Fleischman. Disappointingly, Weise did squat in a Hawk jersey.
- RickJ

Agreed on Panik, who also spent some time in Q's dog-house. Again... Weise by himself is not the point of the post, he's one example of the overlying problem of Q completely mismanaging his assets. If the Hawks run their best 4 possible lines all 7 games, I think we are still playing.

Heavens no - a competitive athlete that likes to party?

If I were a Vezina contender coming off of my best season, watching $40MM+ of offense talent and a mad scientist of a coach crap the bed in front of me, two days would be nowhere near enough drinking time.

So let's trade him

When reason conflicts with an alternate reality, assassinate the character.
- Return of the Roar

FWIW his girlfriend posted a snapchat of the two of them the day after the game and he didn't look drunk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯