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sjk540
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 01.28.2016

May 10 @ 3:03 PM ET
I think on top of Read and Streit being moved, that one of Schenn and Simmonds would have to go too. Obviously Amac but that aint happening
- arichardson22


Why do you think one of schenn and simmonds need to move. i get the exact opposite feeling from Hexy as the GM.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

May 10 @ 3:05 PM ET
I've watched pretty much every game of Nichushkin's NHL career to this point. He could put all the pieces together at some point, but he's a bit of a frustrating player at times so far.

Also, he has not always responded well to Lindy Ruff's tough-love approach; doesn't understand that it's being done not to pick on him but to push him to be a more consistent player.

- bmeltzer

so would you use the flyers 1st and acquire him if that deal was available?
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:05 PM ET
Don't understand why you're so obsessed with Trouba. He's not really special in any way and he'd cost the team a bunch in terms of money and draft picks to acquire.
- PhillySportsGuy



I think he is a potential top pair defender. Also didn't they same thing about Hamilton in regards to money? Then he signed in Calgary for around 5.75.

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:08 PM ET
so would you use the flyers 1st and acquire him if that deal was available?
- rinaldo



Dallas doesn't have a 2nd and is probably losing their first in the russel trade. I would offer a 2nd rounder for him. Maybe a 2nd and HAgg.
dominik7777
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 10 @ 3:11 PM ET
I've watched pretty much every game of Nichushkin's NHL career to this point. He could put all the pieces together at some point, but he's a bit of a frustrating player at times so far.

Also, he has not always responded well to Lindy Ruff's tough-love approach; doesn't understand that it's being done not to pick on him but to push him to be a more consistent player.

- bmeltzer


Yea I totally agree that he hasn't been lights out, but thats kind of why he interests me. He's still really young, only 21 and we would be buying low right now. If he would put it together in a couple years, it would be a steal of a trade.

Wonder if Hagg, a 2nd and a 3rd would do it....
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 10 @ 3:11 PM ET
I think he is a potential top pair defender. Also didn't they same thing about Hamilton in regards to money? Then he signed in Calgary for around 5.75.
- J35Bacher


He's overrated and I doubt Chevy moves him for anything less than a king's ransom considering he never makes trades unless his back is against the wall.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:13 PM ET
He's overrated and I doubt Chevy moves him for anything less than a king's ransom considering he never makes trades unless his back is against the wall.
- PhillySportsGuy



I don't think so.

He had a down year but I think he'll rebound.
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

May 10 @ 3:16 PM ET
Dallas doesn't have a 2nd and is probably losing their first in the russel trade. I would offer a 2nd rounder for him. Maybe a 2nd and HAgg.
- J35Bacher

why does dallas make that trade? hag I cant imagine has much value at all.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 10 @ 3:16 PM ET
Yea I totally agree that he hasn't been lights out, but thats kind of why he interests me. He's still really young, only 21 and we would be buying low right now. If he would put it together in a couple years, it would be a steal of a trade.

Wonder if Hagg, a 2nd and a 3rd would do it....

- dominik7777

I'd do that deal, worth the risk
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:19 PM ET
why does dallas make that trade? hag I cant imagine has much value at all.
- rinaldo



Again it depends on Dallas. Dallas could use some defensive depth if the lose Demers. Also Hagg was regarded as a 1st round talent in his draft class.

Dallas could see it as a guy needing a change.

In also looking on the Flyers end I am not sure Nichushkin is worth a 1st right now and he might need a change too.

It all depends on how teams see the players.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 10 @ 3:20 PM ET
I'd do that deal, worth the risk
- BiggE

There is no way they do that deal.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

May 10 @ 3:22 PM ET
Again it depends on Dallas. Dallas could use some defensive depth if the lose Demers. Also Hagg was regarded as a 1st round talent in his draft class.

Dallas could see it as a guy needing a change.

In also looking on the Flyers end I am not sure Nichushkin is worth a 1st right now and he might need a change too.

It all depends on how teams see the players.

- J35Bacher

Hagg was regarded as a first round talent... that didnt go until the second round?

He has been plagued with inconsistent play his entire life. He was a routinely healthy scratch at the AHL level last season. No he is still very young, and does have some decent potential, but no way they move a potential impact player, and a guy who has already had moderate success at the NHL level, for that aforementioned package.
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

May 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
I think MacDonald could be moved if your willing to eat some salary. Just depends on how much your looking to eat.
- J35Bacher


He could be moved yes, but I don't think its in our best interest to retain x amount of salary for several years. And I don't think it fits Hexy's plan either.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:24 PM ET
There is no way they do that deal.
- jak521



How many times people say "there is no way"

There is no way they can trade Lecavalier
There is no way they can move Prongers deal
There is no way anyone wants Grossmann



Those were lines that were said these past years on this site.

Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 10 @ 3:27 PM ET
The Blackhawks' blogger has the Flyers on the watch list for Crawford.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...e-Names-In-Play/128/76911

arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

May 10 @ 3:27 PM ET
Why do you think one of schenn and simmonds need to move. i get the exact opposite feeling from Hexy as the GM.
- sjk540


Well if we were to get Stammer and Trouba, that's est. $17M ($10 M (minimum) Stamkos + the $7M Trouba is supposedly trying to get) I'd imagine cap may get complicated once Jake's and Cout's contracts kick in plus signing one of our goalies and later extending Ghost. So one of Schenn or Simmonds may need to be moved for cap purposes.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:29 PM ET
Hagg was regarded as a first round talent... that didnt go until the second round?

He has been plagued with inconsistent play his entire life. He was a routinely healthy scratch at the AHL level last season. No he is still very young, and does have some decent potential, but no way they move a potential impact player, and a guy who has already had moderate success at the NHL level, for that aforementioned package.

- jak521


Konecny was a top 10 talent that didn't go until 20 something. Things happen to cause guys to drop and rise.

He has been inconsistent. So has Nichushkin. Nichushkin also had a hip injury already that caused a missed year. With Dallas losing possibly losing the 1st rounder and having no second rounder I think the 2nd and Hagg could be a good deal.

Also a lot depends on what the Stars really thinkof Nichushkin. Maybe they don't think he can survive under Ruffs tough love.

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

May 10 @ 3:30 PM ET
Well if we were to get Stammer and Trouba, that's est. $17M ($10 M (minimum) Stamkos + the $7M Trouba is supposedly trying to get) I'd imagine cap may get complicated once Jake's and Cout's contracts kick in plus signing one of our goalies and later extending Ghost. So one of Schenn or Simmonds may need to be moved for cap purposes.
- arichardson22




He won't get 7million.

I thinkhe just wants to either get paid in WPG or go to a US market. Hamilton had the same things said and signed for less.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 10 @ 3:30 PM ET
How many times people say "there is no way"

There is no way they can trade Lecavalier
There is no way they can move Prongers deal
There is no way anyone wants Grossmann



Those were lines that were said these past years on this site.

- J35Bacher

There's no way anyone will stop saying there's no way anything will happen.

No way.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 10 @ 3:31 PM ET
I've watched pretty much every game of Nichushkin's NHL career to this point. He could put all the pieces together at some point, but he's a bit of a frustrating player at times so far.

Also, he has not always responded well to Lindy Ruff's tough-love approach; doesn't understand that it's being done not to pick on him but to push him to be a more consistent player.

- bmeltzer


Kinda sounds like JvR at that point in his career.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 10 @ 3:31 PM ET
There's no way he gets 7million.

I thinkhe just wants to either get paid in WPG or go to a US market. Hamilton had the same things said and signed for less.

- J35Bacher

Fixed
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 10 @ 3:33 PM ET
He won't get 7million.

I thinkhe just wants to either get paid in WPG or go to a US market. Hamilton had the same things said and signed for less.

- J35Bacher


He won't get $7M, but he'll get $5 or so, not that huge of a difference. Still means that one of Schenn or Simmonds has to go (maybe both), and that's assuming you can move Read and Streit without retaining salary.
dominik7777
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.04.2016

May 10 @ 3:35 PM ET
Kinda sounds like JvR at that point in his career.
- jmatchett383


Yea i thought the same thing. I even think he tops out at JvR's skill level. Just a good winger that has consistency issues.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 10 @ 3:37 PM ET

There is no way they can move Prongers deal

- J35Bacher


That one was so easy a caveman could've done it.
And most folks here could've done it.
twpguy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2010

May 10 @ 3:44 PM ET
And to think there was/is so many IDIOTS who blamed Snider for the Flyers losing, or bad player signings, but never gave him credit when they won or a good signing...CLUELESS PEOPLE. Ed Snider was the best owner in philly sports history, not even close IMO.

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