And we all knew he was that type of player in Calgary. So why trade a 1st round pick and give him almost $6 million a year?

That move by Armstrong hurt your team much more then just last nights loss.
- Trust In Jarmo

Closer to 5m a year than to 6m. But why let facts get in the way of your desperate need to whine about better GM's than the one you have an unhealthy obsession with.

Nothing Armstrong gave up for JBo has amounted to anything. He and every other GM in the league would make that trade again every day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

So glad Ben Bishop didn't turn out to be a franchise goaltender.

Because that would have sucked trading him away before giving him a legit shot.

So glad Ben Bishop didn't turn out to be a franchise goaltender.

Because that would have sucked trading him away before giving him a legit shot.
- Trust In Jarmo

Yet we have Elliot, who helped us steal a series against the Hawks and Allen in waiting. Bishop is a great goalie. Never liked the deal. Should have traded Halak.

I am with you. I give passes to Edmundson, even though he did his best Jackman impression, and Parayko because they are rookies and have done a lot of good.

I will not JayBo off the hook. That pp goal is because he is back to be as physical as a wet noodle. If he did what the tiny Dallas dmen would do he would have taken his man. It was obvious he was going to be beat Petro was caught between. And Elliott is just Elliott, a really good back up playing too many games. Elliott is compensating his lack athleticism by being as agressive as possible, except on the last goal. He has become a rebound machine. The pp goal was just that, shoot low, get him to freeze, collect puck move to the side. A lot like how Quick was and relied on the post and his dmen to clear the puck from going into the emoty net.
- BluemanGuruu

Elliot saved our asses in the Hawks series!! He has played great besides that o/t goal last game. What the hell is your problem with him.

Stastny hasn't done poop. He needs to get his ass in gear and earn his contract. Backes has finally showed up for a playoff series. The oshie trade looks GREAT to me now. Edmundsons plass i cannot let go of or j-bows or petros. you had any easy outlet yet you took the hard one

Edmundson looks good now. How will he fair when he losses his speed, another Jackman. Dumb penalties, bad passes, put in Bortz already!!!

Gunnar has been decent but he is weak on the body. J-Bow is terrible at this point. Weak on the body, bad decisions, poor passes.

Saturday we should have ended this series. Now we hope to take a lead.

Hitch is Hitch. no way to get around that.

It's more like 5.5mm and unfortunately the answer to your question is because he had few options thanks to Jarmo's terrible D drafting sans Pietrangelo who I could have drafted in that spot and Johnson who was the consensus #1.

Shawn Belle (1st) was probably the worst but him, Scott Jackson(2nd), David Rundblad (1st), Brett Ponich (2nd), Ian Cole (1st - at least is a NHL regular), Jonas Junland (3rd), and Zack Fitzgerald (3rd) didn't exactly set the world on fire.

Jarmo drafted 2002-2009 (8 drafts), produced Cole and Polak as far as NHL somewhat regulars from non-lottery picks. Not sure how to factor in Nikitin who still got paid well by Edmonton but was never really a NHL regular for any real duration on any sort of winning club.

2010-1013 drafts (4 drafts) - Edmundson, Parayko and Lindbohm have already made more of a contribution with Schmaltz hoping to crack the lineup in a year or two.

Jaybo was filling a need which sometimes costs more than you want.
- Jason Millen

Jammer going to start calling you the hammer, you just lowered the boom.

Elliot saved our asses in the Hawks series!! He has played great besides that o/t goal last game. What the hell is your problem with him.

Stastny hasn't done poop. He needs to get his ass in gear and earn his contract. Backes has finally showed up for a playoff series. The oshie trade looks GREAT to me now. Edmundsons plass i cannot let go of or j-bows or petros. you had any easy outlet yet you took the hard one

Edmundson looks good now. How will he fair when he losses his speed, another Jackman. Dumb penalties, bad passes, put in Bortz already!!!

Gunnar has been decent but he is weak on the body. J-Bow is terrible at this point. Weak on the body, bad decisions, poor passes.

Saturday we should have ended this series. Now we hope to take a lead.

Hitch is Hitch. no way to get around that.
- BluesDroogie

Elliott was good in Chicago until game six then he started resembling a pez dispenser. No rebound control.

He has made some good first saves buthis lack of rebound control has caused some of the positioning problems.

So what my problem with Elliott is....none. My problem is that the coaches do not see it and the team is in a tough bind, because if you did put Allen in what does that do to the team pysche which believes green is brown, i.e., there belief in Elliott is more emotional than logical.

JayBo also has made a number of great plays and been good on defense most of the time. But then when he falters it is catastrophic.

I still like Edmundson but holy hell....

While it is pretty much irrelevant at this time Allen > Elliott and it is not that close.

Elliott was good in Chicago until game six then he started resembling a pez dispenser. No rebound control.

He has made some good first saves buthis lack of rebound control has caused some of the positioning problems.

So what my problem with Elliott is....none. My problem is that the coaches do not see it and the team is in a tough bind, because if you did put Allen in what does that do to the team pysche which believes green is brown, i.e., there belief in Elliott is more emotional than logical.

JayBo also has made a number of great plays and been good on defense most of the time. But then when he falters it is catastrophic.

I still like Edmundson but holy hell....

While it is pretty much irrelevant at this time Allen > Elliott and it is not that close.
- BluemanGuruu

While i kind of agree with you, how do you switch to Allen at this point? Isn't that sending a clear message to Elliot he is not good enough? I think the goals that have been scored against him he been a defensive meltdown, cause he he stopped NUMEROUS breakaways and 2 on 1's. How can you blame Elliot at this point. We are in the 2nd round BECAUSE OF HIM. Maybe Allen could do the same but Elliot has done it. Weak defense and a lack of offense have cost us. We should have BURIED THAT GAME AND THE SERIES IN THE 1ST PERIOD LAST GAME. Lehtonen stood tall. Brouwer had a good shot and Tarasenko hit the post…. Thats why game are played.


I will be shocked if we loose this series. WE SHOULD OWN THEM AT THIS POINT. We have outplayed them most of the series

So glad Ben Bishop didn't turn out to be a franchise goaltender.

Because that would have sucked trading him away before giving him a legit shot.
- Trust In Jarmo

Then again a number of players develop better from the team that developed them. None of us can truly say for sure if Bishop would be as good. It was a bad trade at the time. But hindsight is twenty-twenty. Elliott still has been really good in St. Louis. He is not really the starter anymore, it had more to do with how injured Allen was and maybe even now he is not 100%. He came back from injury too soon.

I have no issues with the Blues except sometimes they just stop playing a style that is very dominating and effective.

A really good team.

Better since Armstrong took over and someone else started heading the draft. Superior drafting since Jarmo. Turning second rounders and third rounders into gold. Something Jarmo was not particularly good at.

At the time we were sold by a great marketing campaign on Jarmo and to place our trust in him. Well 2007 draft speaks highly of his failure. That was the big rebuild draft. He missed and missed and missed. So desperate to draft a European and when he was not on the board traded down from Couture. Which 2007 player has enjoyed more success? To include his last pick Peluso over the native St. Louisian Maroon. That draft besides Perron and Eller eventually netting Halak, was an abject failure. Look at all the misses. Not even close. Instead of Eller he could have picked McDonagh or Shattenkirk for instance. I mean he choked so hard that draft and you have to know that is what cost him his chance to make it St. Louis.

That draft failure is insane. Abominal. Hind sight and all but it was not even close. He had so many bullets that you would think he would have hit a bit better than Perron. Three first round picks and the only notable selection was Perron. And really where he picked him it was a no brainer.

While i kind of agree with you, how do you switch to Allen at this point? Isn't that sending a clear message to Elliot he is not good enough? I think the goals that have been scored against him he been a defensive meltdown, cause he he stopped NUMEROUS breakaways and 2 on 1's. How can you blame Elliot at this point. We are in the 2nd round BECAUSE OF HIM. Maybe Allen could do the same but Elliot has done it. Weak defense and a lack of offense have cost us. We should have BURIED THAT GAME AND THE SERIES IN THE 1ST PERIOD LAST GAME. Lehtonen stood tall. Brouwer had a good shot and Tarasenko hit the post…. Thats why game are played.


I will be shocked if we loose this series. WE SHOULD OWN THEM AT THIS POINT. We have outplayed them most of the series
- BluesDroogie

I am not placing all the blame on Elliott to be sure. Not at all. I am saying he has been a part of the failure. That over time goal was terrible, but in part Parayko's fault.

Like I said he has made some good first saves. But the super on fire goalie he was down the stretch has vanished. This is his m.o. here and why he is a back up.

Like I said I am not sure you could just replace him at this juncture. But even if you did what would likely happen? He usually responds and plays better.

Certainly not all his fault. But he has not been great by any stretch in this series.

Then again a number of players develop better from the team that developed them. None of us can truly say for sure if Bishop would be as good. It was a bad trade at the time. But hindsight is twenty-twenty. Elliott still has been really good in St. Louis. He is not really the starter anymore, it had more to do with how injured Allen was and maybe even now he is not 100%. He came back from injury too soon.

I have no issues with the Blues except sometimes they just stop playing a style that is very dominating and effective.

A really good team.

Better since Armstrong took over and someone else started heading the draft. Superior drafting since Jarmo. Turning second rounders and third rounders into gold. Something Jarmo was not particularly good at.

At the time we were sold by a great marketing campaign on Jarmo and to place our trust in him. Well 2007 draft speaks highly of his failure. That was the big rebuild draft. He missed and missed and missed. So desperate to draft a European and when he was not on the board traded down from Couture. Which 2007 player has enjoyed more success? To include his last pick Peluso over the native St. Louisian Maroon. That draft besides Perron and Eller eventually netting Halak, was an abject failure. Look at all the misses. Not even close. Instead of Eller he could have picked McDonagh or Shattenkirk for instance. I mean he choked so hard that draft and you have to know that is what cost him his chance to make it St. Louis.

That draft failure is insane. Abominal. Hind sight and all but it was not even close. He had so many bullets that you would think he would have hit a bit better than Perron. Three first round picks and the only notable selection was Perron. And really where he picked him it was a no brainer.
- BluemanGuruu

Your amazing "STL" line is due to Jarmo.

Your amazing "STL" line is due to Jarmo.
- Trust In Jarmo

go jerk off Jarmo and his pathetic jackets. There is a reason the Blues were a bottom dweller. Nice trades last season. have fun in your faith of Jarmo. I prefer to be logical, and so it as it is. He has done nothing good for Columbus. Oh and your faithful kings were kicked out in 5 games in the 1st round this year. How is that taste, especially by the sharks??

Then again a number of players develop better from the team that developed them. None of us can truly say for sure if Bishop would be as good. It was a bad trade at the time. But hindsight is twenty-twenty. Elliott still has been really good in St. Louis. He is not really the starter anymore, it had more to do with how injured Allen was and maybe even now he is not 100%. He came back from injury too soon.

I have no issues with the Blues except sometimes they just stop playing a style that is very dominating and effective.

A really good team.

Better since Armstrong took over and someone else started heading the draft. Superior drafting since Jarmo. Turning second rounders and third rounders into gold. Something Jarmo was not particularly good at.

At the time we were sold by a great marketing campaign on Jarmo and to place our trust in him. Well 2007 draft speaks highly of his failure. That was the big rebuild draft. He missed and missed and missed. So desperate to draft a European and when he was not on the board traded down from Couture. Which 2007 player has enjoyed more success? To include his last pick Peluso over the native St. Louisian Maroon. That draft besides Perron and Eller eventually netting Halak, was an abject failure. Look at all the misses. Not even close. Instead of Eller he could have picked McDonagh or Shattenkirk for instance. I mean he choked so hard that draft and you have to know that is what cost him his chance to make it St. Louis.

That draft failure is insane. Abominal. Hind sight and all but it was not even close. He had so many bullets that you would think he would have hit a bit better than Perron. Three first round picks and the only notable selection was Perron. And really where he picked him it was a no brainer.
- BluemanGuruu

only read a part but 2nd rounders(PARAYKO)!!!!!!

(frank) Jarmo. Who ever is scouting now is BETTER. Fabbri?? small but will only get better. not sure of the pipeline, might it be getting weak and thin? we have barbashev who pl;ays well with Jaskin, maybe next season we can see that.

Your amazing "STL" line is due to Jarmo.
- Trust In Jarmo

Wrong.

Johansen for Jones? That was ALL Jarmo.

Wrong.
- fattyboubatty

Wrong? Oh, you clueless fatty.

only read a part but 2nd rounders(PARAYKO)!!!!!!

(frank) Jarmo. Who ever is scouting now is BETTER. Fabbri?? small but will only get better. not sure of the pipeline, might it be getting weak and thin? we have barbashev who pl;ays well with Jaskin, maybe next season we can see that.
- BluesDroogie

Parayko was a third rounder.