I was always under the impression that a nmc included trades.
- dr_soiledpants

A full NM/NTC means that the player cannot be traded or waived without the players approval. Limited NTC with a NMC means the player cannot be demoted, but can be traded to as long as the team is on the list of teams agreed upon by that player.

I don't think anybody knows with 100% certainty what the rules surrounding NTC/NMC/Limited NT/NMC would be for an expansion draft (there is some speculation but I don't think the official rules of engagement have been released yet).

The Pens don't absolutely need to move Fleury. We're in a pretty good place cap wise. I think worse case scenario we can buy out Kunitz and be cap complient. Furthermore losing MAF to expansion isn't the end of the world. That's 6 mil in cap space. If a team wants MAF they're going to have to give us good value. Not necessarily an overpayment but something legitimately enticing. Not a second or third rounder. Having an elite goalie tandum next year with Murray and MAF is worth more to the team than a bellow 1st round pick.
- Victoro311

Agreed. Injuries happen I'd rather have Fleury as insurance than a late 1st. The one thing with Rutherford is he doesn't believe you have to win a trade. For what fleury has done for the franchise he should take less than max value to help Fleury into a good situation. Granted that doesn't mean give him away, but it doesn't have to a ransom.

A full NM/NTC means that the player cannot be traded or waived without the players approval. Limited NTC with a NMC means the player cannot be demoted, but can be traded to as long as the team is on the list of teams agreed upon by that player.

I don't think anybody knows with 100% certainty what the rules surrounding NTC/NMC/Limited NT/NMC would be for an expansion draft (there is some speculation but I don't think the official rules of engagement have been released yet).
- Saskabush

Elliote Friedman reported that NMCs will be honoured in an expansion draft. I'm not aware of what a limited-NMC would entail so I naturally assume this assumes any NMC needs to be protected.

Sometime this week, the NHL and NHLPA agreed on expansion draft rules. No-move clauses are protected, and teams will not be able to expose those players. What’s next? A meeting of the NHL’s Executive Committee, the most powerful group of 10 owners. It’s chaired by Boston’s Jeremy Jacobs. It’s expected that group will be called together in the next week or two. If they approve, the final hurdle would be a full Board of Governors meeting - Elliote Friedman's 30 Thoughts

If Murray is your guy wouldn't Toronto be helping you out taking MAF and his contract? If so I would think JVR is a bit of an over payment.
- justmike

how is jvr a over payment for a top 10 goalie in the league and almost top5 (<--people are gonna laugh at that one )

I won't label myself a Leaf fan but I follow a bit so I'll give it a shot:

I think the Leafs have a pretty deep prospect system right now and Kapanen has been passed by a few others. I've also heard Kapanen has had some consistency issues playing up to his ability on a nightly basis in the AHL.

But mostly I think it is that he has been passed on the prospect depth chart and a lot of fans think they would be better served packaging him (and potential other prospects) to address other current needs. They are just more valuable to other teams who have depleted prospect pools. The Leafs will likely be starting to get crowded after this draft.
- RonPielep

been following kappy since his early fin league days and the whole thing about consistency is were you hit the nail on the head. kappane is EXTREMLY good and skilled WHEN he plays like he wants to win. when he doesn't he is average. he is just like sid in that department. a sid that is not playing with fire will only pass and rarely be a threat BUT when he wants to win it really bad there is nothing stopping him.

how is jvr a over payment for a top 10 goalie in the league and almost top5 (<--people are gonna laugh at that one )
- martox

#1 Price
#2 Lundqvist
#3 Holtby
#4 Schneider
#5 Rask

Quick, Fleury, Crawford, Bishop, Luongo, and Varlamov I think all populate that next tier. Rinne has dropped off a touch, but could still qualify in that general area. It's a very hard position to gauge with how fluid it usually is.

#1 Price
#2 Lundqvist
#3 Holtby
#4 Schneider
#5 Rask

Quick, Fleury, Crawford, Bishop, Luongo, and Varlamov I think all populate that next tier. Rinne has dropped off a touch, but could still qualify in that general area. It's a very hard position to gauge with how fluid it usually is.
- MaximumBone

I would swap rask with maf but ye otherwise 100% correct (IMO)

#1 Price
#2 Lundqvist
#3 Holtby
#4 Schneider
#5 Rask

Quick, Fleury, Crawford, Bishop, Luongo, and Varlamov I think all populate that next tier. Rinne has dropped off a touch, but could still qualify in that general area. It's a very hard position to gauge with how fluid it usually is.
- MaximumBone

I don't think Varly's on par with those guys and would stick Anderson in his place but I pretty much agree with those power rankings. Quick is vastly overrated and not a top 5 'tender let alone Vezina caliber this year.

I would swap rask with maf but ye otherwise 100% correct (IMO)
- martox

I think it's hard to discount any of the next tier. MAF has won a Cup and has consistently put up above-average goalie numbers for 10 years, Crawford and Quick have 2 Cups each, Bishop is an absolute wall, and Luongo is among the best regular season goalies of his generation with 15 years as a starter putting up above-average to elite numbers.

I don't think Varly's on par with those guys and would stick Anderson in his place but I pretty much agree with those power rankings. Quick is vastly overrated and not a top 5 'tender let alone Vezina caliber this year.
- Victoro311

I value his work behind an absolute Swiss cheese of team-D in Colorado, but I can see your point.

I value his work behind an absolute Swiss cheese of team-D in Colorado, but I can see your point.
- MaximumBone

I can see that point too but I don't know. He's behind a really bad team but man he just looks like garbage sometimes.

Wasn't that long ago Montreal traded Halak after his playoff MVP performance when Price went down. I can't see the pens trading Fleury.

Might take the #6 pick for the Flames to snag Murray.. Would either team do it tho? Tough call as a flames fan, but we need a goalie.
- Razzdazzle1

We ain't trading Murray.

From the leafs: an ok prospect, a mid-pick and bernier

More than that, I’d probably pass.
- Tumbleweed

It would be for a second round pick at worst. Bernier is garbage; mid pick is worthless and an ok prospect doesn't do anything.

If Murray is your guy wouldn't Toronto be helping you out taking MAF and his contract? If so I would think JVR is a bit of an over payment.
- justmike

You seem to think Toronto is a charitable cause and we should give him away. It doesn't work that way. Yes, JVR is overpayment. Fleury costs you a second round pick plus something else, not as significant.

MAF for Wideman.
- The-O-G

Some things never change with you.

You seem to think Toronto is a charitable cause and we should give him away. It doesn't work that way. Yes, JVR is overpayment. Fleury costs you a second round pick plus something else, not as significant.
- Oneonta Penguin

But if NMCs do need to be honoured as has been reported by a lot of people, Toronto would be doing them a favour as you'd have to protect Fleury and leave Murray available.

It would be for a second round pick at worst. Bernier is garbage; mid pick is worthless and an ok prospect doesn't do anything.
- Oneonta Penguin

he'll bring back a pick, prospect and a middling player.

best asset you can get is a late 1st. salary is definitely going back.

more than that, and the leafs have the luxury to pass.

good luck finding a team not veto'd by him to get a better package than that. i don't see it.

But if NMCs do need to be honoured, Toronto would be doing them a favour as you'd have to protect Fleury and leave Murray available.
- MaximumBone

I don't believe in the "doing us a favor (proper spelling)" thing. There would be other organizations interested. Why trade a pretty good goalie for a pile of crap like you are suggesting. Doesn't make it worthwhile.

Believe it or not, there are other organizations in this league aside from Toronto. The standings prove that.

he'll bring back a pick, prospect and a middling player.

best asset you can get is a late 1st. salary is definitely going back.

more than that, and the leafs have the luxury to pass.

good luck finding a team not veto'd by him to get a better package than that. i don't see it.
- Tumbleweed

A late first or a second pick is all Pittsburgh would ask for IMO. We aren't talking about a goalie like James Reimer here. We are talking about a pretty good one. No need for the middling player that probably serves no purpose and is one that probably would be sent to the AHL.

If he were smart, he would veto a deal to Toronto ... the death bed of goalies and players.

I don't believe in the "doing us a favor (proper spelling)" thing. There would be other organizations interested. Why trade a pretty good goalie for a pile of crap like you are suggesting. Doesn't make it worthwhile.

Believe it or not, there are other organizations in this league aside from Toronto. The standings prove that.
- Oneonta Penguin

I'm an Edmonton fan so I'm not expressing some bias and nor have I suggested any offer, I'm merely stating that any team trading for MAF would be doing the Pens at least a bit of a favour if Murray is their guy. That much isn't debatable. Sure, if a bidding war ensues it would build the package you'd get back, but that much isn't a guarantee.

Also, Canada and other English speaking countries spells it "favour", so deal with it.

A late first or a second pick is all Pittsburgh would ask for IMO. We aren't talking about a goalie like James Reimer here. We are talking about a pretty good one. No need for the middling player that probably serves no purpose and is one that probably would be sent to the AHL.
- Oneonta Penguin

reimer got a 4th and alex stalok. fleury is definitely more valuable than that crap but...

... there are no salary cap favors in the league anymore. you'll probably have to take some salary back too.

I don't believe in the "doing us a favor (proper spelling)" thing. There would be other organizations interested. Why trade a pretty good goalie for a pile of crap like you are suggesting. Doesn't make it worthwhile.

Believe it or not, there are other organizations in this league aside from Toronto. The standings prove that.
- Oneonta Penguin

No! Just because the U.S was being lazy and trying to simplify the English language doesn't make it the proper spelling!! WE USE THE EXTRA U's

The American adoption of favor was part of a broader early-19th-century effort to create a distinctly American English

http://grammarist.com/spelling/favor-favour/

If Dallas can win 2 more games Calgary is trading their 1st for a goal tender IMO

MAF, Andersen, Elliot all possibilities

If Dallas can win 2 more games Calgary is trading their 1st for a goal tender IMO

MAF, Andersen, Elliot all possibilities
- flashfire

Fixed

Fixed
- MaximumBone

yeah my bad