You're a little more dumb for taking me seriously.
- Rinosaur

Well we all know how much Penguins fans over value their players...so to be honest I still don't believe you were kidding.

You're a little more dumb for taking me seriously.
- Rinosaur

Well then, instead of making people try to read your mind, why don't you try being serious when you make a proposal. There's been enough idiotic trade proposals out there, why wouldn't one assume you were being serious. I stand by my assessment of you.

Well then, instead of making people try to read your mind, why don't you try being serious when you make a proposal. There's been enough idiotic trade proposals out there, why wouldn't one assume you were being serious. I stand by my assessment of you.
- TandA4Flames

Well we all know how much Penguins fans over value their players...so to be honest I still don't believe you were kidding.
- The-O-G

I believe MAF for a CGY 1st and top prospect is fair.

Well then, instead of making people try to read your mind, why don't you try being serious when you make a proposal. There's been enough idiotic trade proposals out there, why wouldn't one assume you were being serious. I stand by my assessment of you.
- TandA4Flames

I thought my language was jocular enough.

Not that you were super far off on the value, but I just don't see Treliving doing that. Dougie is his prized acquisition that really started coming into his own last year. If Calgary trades for a goalie they most likely will not be giving up any of their young core roster players (especially an older goalie that we may be forced to lose in the expansion draft anyway).

We have Jon Gillies in the AHL, he is the same age as Murray and (before this season anyway) was thought of just as highly as Murray. Depending on the rules of the expansion draft we may be forced to choose between our goalie of the future or the goalie we acquire this year.

If we trade for a goalie it will have to be a trade that doesn't cost us significant assets (think 2nd or 3rd round pick). The Flames will most likely also be in on Reimer, Bishop and Andersson so it's not as if we do not have options.
- Saskabush

I think Gillies would be safe. This was Murray's 2nd year in the AHL/NHL and only Gillies 1st. I believe the rule was players who would be entering their 3rd or less year in the AHL/NHL for the 2017/18 season would not need protected. Murray will be entering his 4th, so he needs protected, Gillies will be entering his 3rd, so should be safe. Obviously that is just from the very limited amount of details that have been released so far, so could be wrong.

I believe MAF for a CGY 1st and top prospect is fair.
- Rinosaur

Maybe 2017 1st + prospect... I wouldn't trade #6 pick for MAF.

I believe MAF for a CGY 1st and top prospect is fair.
- Rinosaur

Well, Hamilton is not a prospect. And sure, asking for a 1st and top prospect may seem reasonable, but not a #6 pick A N D a top prospect. Personally, I wouldn't give up either for Fleury. There will be much better options for that kind of return; someone younger and potentially cheaper. Come the expansion draft, a team like PIT has to believe it is likely either goalie (rules on NTC etc pending) will get picked up with no return at all. The next year will be a buyers market for goalies. Any team who believes they could lose an asset for nothing would be wise, IMO, to get ahead of the market.

Maybe 2017 1st + prospect... I wouldn't trade #6 pick for MAF.
- Razzdazzle1

MAF has had no signs of slowing down. Prior to this injury he's played his best hockey since 08.

If it weren't for Murray I'd never dream of trading Fleury and would feel confident about the Pens chances of continuing to win.

MAF is 100% worth the #6 overall.

I believe MAF for a CGY 1st and top prospect is fair.
- Rinosaur

so the 6th and prospect for 31 year old MAF, yeah. For Murray you'd get the 6th sure.

Well, Hamilton is not a prospect. And sure, asking for a 1st and top prospect may seem reasonable, but not a #6 pick A N D a top prospect. Personally, I wouldn't give up either for Fleury. There will be much better options for that kind of return; someone younger and potentially cheaper. Come the expansion draft, a team like PIT has to believe it is likely either goalie (rules on NTC etc pending) will get picked up with no return at all. The next year will be a buyers market for goalies. Any team who believes they could lose an asset for nothing would be wise, IMO, to get ahead of the market.
- TandA4Flames

I wasn't serious about the Hamilton part... Although it came out that you guys offered Hamilton for Murray.

Also, there's a 0.0% chance either goalie makes it to the expansion draft.

Shouldn't you wait a couple more games before anointing Murray as a franchise goalie? Like maybe something like half a season more at least? It's not the first time a goalie caught fire during the playoffs.

Not saying it's sure he's not, but maybe wait a bit first to be sure? Just think if Habs had traded Price and kept Halak after is phenomenal playoff a couple years back ...
- Popofjc

The guy was by far and away the best goalie in the AHL last year... 12 shutouts in something like 40 games. Then he comes in late in the season and playoffs at the NHL level and has been nothing but spectacular thus far... outplaying King Henrik last round and the likely Vezina winner this round.

That's a year and a half of production at the pro level from a kid who was expected to be battling Tristan Jarry for the backup job in Pittsburgh in 2 years.

MAF has had no signs of slowing down. Prior to this injury he's played his best hockey since 08.

If it weren't for Murray I'd never dream of trading Fleury and would feel confident about the Pens chances of continuing to win.

MAF is 100% worth the #6 overall.
- Rinosaur

Maybe 10 years ago...

The guy was by far and away the best goalie in the AHL last year... 12 shutouts in something like 40 games. Then he comes in late in the season and playoffs at the NHL level and has been nothing but spectacular thus far... outplaying King Henrik last round and the likely Vezina winner this round.

That's a year and a half of production at the pro level from a kid who was expected to be battling Tristan Jarry for the backup job in Pittsburgh in 2 years.
- Yonk1216

Great story if he does but theres allot of tendies who have bursts of success only to flounder. I really like his game and he's 90% why the Pens are up. Lets wait for a full season and 40+ games and then a long playoff run...
If the Pens are willing to move him, I'm sure Treliving will make that call...

yup they're gonna trade for a 30 year old goalie

Leafs can be patient. They can ride bernier out next year if need be and wait for an opportunity closer to the expansion draft to find a goalie. No reason to pay market now.

Fleury’s NTC will diminish his value. He’s also 31 and not cheap.

My guess is a package of quantity coming back and not a one where you are getting a top quality piece … like a jvr.
- Tumbleweed

Agreed. I also think Leafs have the right pieces to make that happen. Centered around something like Kapanen, a 2nd and maybe some other Leafs prospect. Pens should be looking to upgrade their prospect system anyways and Leafs have a lot of quantity to offer.

MAF has significantly lower value than Schneider did when he was traded so some people on here need to bring their expectations back to reality.

MAF has had no signs of slowing down. Prior to this injury he's played his best hockey since 08.

If it weren't for Murray I'd never dream of trading Fleury and would feel confident about the Pens chances of continuing to win.

MAF is 100% worth the #6 overall.
- Rinosaur

Schneider was traded for the #8 overall and that was before he was as dominant as he has been recently. That being said, I think it would be Fleury + Pens 2nd rounder for that pick.

I believe MAF for a CGY 1st and top prospect is fair.
- Rinosaur

Someone needs to reassess their homer-meter and go check out some recent trades involving goalies. Goalies don't carry nearly the currency you seem to think they do, especially if they are over 30 and signed to an unfavorable contract.

I wasn't serious about the Hamilton part... Although it came out that you guys offered Hamilton for Murray.

Also, there's a 0.0% chance either goalie makes it to the expansion draft.
- Rinosaur

Came out from who? WTF would Tre offer the young D stud who he just traded 3 high picks in a deep draft for, for an unproven goaltender? I highly doubt your "source" has any credible proof of that.

so the 6th and prospect for 31 year old MAF, yeah. For Murray you'd get the 6th sure.
- tomburton99

Still over-valuing what goalies are worth on the market. If Murray is stellar as the Pens starter for the entirety of next season then maybe his value gets that high.

yup they're gonna trade for a 30 year old goalie
- Bigern4MVP

Maybe they''l offer Smid for MAF? We all know you hold Smid in such high regard.

Came out from who? WTF would Tre offer the young D stud who he just traded 3 high picks in a deep draft for, for an unproven goaltender? I highly doubt your "source" has any credible proof of that.
- TandA4Flames

Any specific reason for the hostility or are you just a message-board-tough-guy?

Agreed. I also think Leafs have the right pieces to make that happen. Centered around something like Kapanen, a 2nd and maybe some other Leafs prospect. Pens should be looking to upgrade their prospect system anyways and Leafs have a lot of quantity to offer.

MAF has significantly lower value than Schneider did when he was traded so some people on here need to bring their expectations back to reality.
- RonPielep

What's with all the Kapanen hate from Leaf fans? I constantly see them including him in trades without giving him much worth or value?

Any specific reason for the hostility or are you just a message-board-tough-guy?
- Rinosaur

Or just tired of your bullpoop maybe.

Or just tired of your bullpoop maybe.
- RonPielep

Tired of my bullpoop after what, three posts? You may need some therapy. Now go away.