Do people still hate Jim Rutherford?

Do people still hate Jim Rutherford?
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Bring up Despres and the Winnik trade and find out

According to Toronto fans, they would be doing the Pens a favor by taking Fleury off of our hands. Said it should be for a 3rd round pick.......
- cap1681

Put it this way on Fleury. If we expose him in the expansion draft he is almost 100% being selected. Most teams are going to lose a good player. If we trade Fleury for a 3rd round pick someone else will get taken in the draft. So for a 3rd round pick I'm not moving Fleury since we would end up losing someone else in the expansion draft who is worth more than a 3rd round pick.

6th pick in the NHL draft would be fantastic for Fleury. I doubt it happens, but then again Staal brought back the 8th pick Sutter who was young and a former 11th pick and dumoulin so I guess its possible.

Put it this way on Fleury. If we expose him in the expansion draft he is almost 100% being selected. Most teams are going to lose a good player. If we trade Fleury for a 3rd round pick someone else will get taken in the draft. So for a 3rd round pick I'm not moving Fleury since we would end up losing someone else in the expansion draft who is worth more than a 3rd round pick.

6th pick in the NHL draft would be fantastic for Fleury. I doubt it happens, but then again Staal brought back the 8th pick Sutter who was young and a former 11th pick and dumoulin so I guess its possible.
- sditulli

He can't be exposed due to NMC.

So another year of yags eh

Put it this way on Fleury. If we expose him in the expansion draft he is almost 100% being selected. Most teams are going to lose a good player. If we trade Fleury for a 3rd round pick someone else will get taken in the draft. So for a 3rd round pick I'm not moving Fleury since we would end up losing someone else in the expansion draft who is worth more than a 3rd round pick.

6th pick in the NHL draft would be fantastic for Fleury. I doubt it happens, but then again Staal brought back the 8th pick Sutter who was young and a former 11th pick and dumoulin so I guess its possible.
- sditulli

You don't know that Fleury will be taken at all. What if the Ducks still have Anderson and Gibson by the time the expansion draft comes around? One of those two would certainly be taken over Flower due to age. What if the Blues still have Allen and Elliot by that time? Elliot has a lower cap hit than Fleury and maybe they want cap flexibility. So many factors are at play we won't have a good idea about who's likely to be taken until we know who's getting exposed.

He can't be exposed due to NMC.
- j.boyd919

Someone debunked this myth a while back. He doesn't have a full NMC.

Someone debunked this myth a while back. He doesn't have a full NMC.
- Victoro311

I hope the ND connection worked on their two on ones at practice.

He can't be exposed due to NMC.
- j.boyd919

I found this on Pensburgh the other day. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...g-franchise-label-fleury/

Someone debunked this myth a while back. He doesn't have a full NMC.
- Victoro311

So what is the NTC/NMC? Hockeyscap.com says he has a modified NTC, and a NMC?

I found this on Pensburgh the other day. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...g-franchise-label-fleury/
- tpcg402

ooooh nice! Thanks for that link!

ooooh nice! Thanks for that link!
- j.boyd919

No prob

I hope the ND connection worked on their two on ones at practice.
- Oneonta Penguin

Haha the article on DK's site quoted Cole for saying that his pass to Rust was "too perfect" and that's why Rust couldn't burry it.

Honestly Rust needs to find some finishing ability. He should have had two goals that game. He shwiffed on a rebound after Shultz's post and that two on one was free cheese.

Haha the article on DK's site quoted Cole for saying that his pass to Rust was "too perfect" and that's why Rust couldn't burry it.

Honestly Rust needs to find some finishing ability. He should have had two goals that game. He shwiffed on a rebound after Shultz's post and that two on one was free cheese.
- Victoro311

That's funny. Could almost say this about every player on team, but what a bounce back by Cole. I believe early in the season he was like a -18 and finished only a -3 and is +5 in playoffs. On Rust, as Geno would say "he has little bit bad hands."

In the first year of marriage, put a notch on your bed every time you have sex.
For the rest of your married life, erase one of the notches every time you have sex.

You will die with notches left on the bed.
- jmatchett383

Well, thats because ur wife got fat?
I dont have that problem, sorry

Haha the article on DK's site quoted Cole for saying that his pass to Rust was "too perfect" and that's why Rust couldn't burry it.

Honestly Rust needs to find some finishing ability. He should have had two goals that game. He shwiffed on a rebound after Shultz's post and that two on one was free cheese.
- Victoro311

The second Rust gets a finishing ability, like Hags... he will be commanding 4 mil, like Hags.

So almost hope he doesnt get too good too fast, so we can keep him longer :D

Someone debunked this myth a while back. He doesn't have a full NMC.
- Victoro311

It's beyond proven now that fleury can be exposed. And nearly 100% selected if he is exposed unless he suffers more concussions next year. Expansion teams selecting goalies and in the past multiple goalies well below fleury's level. If anything fleury would be a good trade chip for them.

The one thing people overlook on te fleury/murray debate is it has nothing to do with the expansion draft. Murray elc I believe is up after next year. Maybe he has a sophomore slump next year but if he doesn't he's going to command big money. Murray could be earning 6-7 a year after next season. I have a feeling he's playjng well enough to garner an offer sheet in that range. This looks like a saad/Hamilton situation where you have to pay him big after the elc expires. No way we would tie 12 up in our goalies.

If we are trading Fleury, ask for the best of the three second round picks in return and call it a day. Not sure he is worth a high end prospect at this point, especially when you consider his concussion problems now. The point is to get that contract off the books if Murray is the play moving forward.

It's basically a second round pick and whatever you do with the money you save by trading him. That could be a significant signing, or two solid players.

DP doesn't seem to be the type of player Burke wants in Calgary. He wants to make the roster more "black and blue" DP doesn't exactly do that.
- Oneonta Penguin

This guy gets it.

Damn son....I think Wilson just blew a gasket when Pierre faguire just dissed on analytics

This guy gets it.
- RonPielep

I don't see a need to shed fleury's salary this year. Maata gets a big hike. Cullen could command $2 per year but I think we can get him to sign for less. Schultz should be doable in the 2/3 year range at 2.5-3. Lovejoy I assume is gone and might be far more expensive than we want to pay a guy that age. Lovejoy may 1.1 last year so the upgrade in cost to schultz will be 1.4-1.9 per. Not sure if that all fits in the cap but would be close. Trading kunitz would likely free up the cash we need. The wbs kids are all signed very cheap and probably below the guys they are replacing cost. Believe they are a little over 600k each

Assuming worst case scenario we have to trade kunitz then we should be able to field this line up
Sheary - Crosby - horn
Hbk
Wilson - malkin - sprong
Fehr - Cullen - rust
Kuhnakl
Sundqvist ( probably first call up)
Bleuger guentzel

Letang - Maata
Dumoulin - Daley
Cole - schultz
Pouliot

Murray/fleury

If you trade fleury now then it's got to be to upgrade lw and then our forward depth would be insane. I would want more than a 2nd for fleury and might be looking to add a lw in the deal.

If you trade fleury it would be to bring in Ladd, lucic, or boedker. Those are the only lw that are much of an upgrade over the wbs kids. And then there's a host of guys to target that are bargain basement shopping like Cullen to add depth.

So to justify trading fleury this offseason has to be a great value or you just take picks and have something in place with the top 3 free agent lw.

Problem with signing one of those lw is it puts us in cap hell the following year when we murray comes off his elc. Dumoulin I think comes off elc that following year too. So we will need to shed salary after the 2016-2017 season but probably not this year.

I found this on Pensburgh the other day. http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...g-franchise-label-fleury/
- tpcg402

Good article except when Ian Cole compared him to cam ward. That's scary.

So what about Sam Bennett for Flower, and a pick or DP?

They apparently wanted Bennett for Murray... think they would settle for some Flower Power?
- Guile

I don't know if it was Bennett for Murray I think that's a rumor I might have been spreading...

I don't see a need to shed fleury's salary this year. Maata gets a big hike. Cullen could command $2 per year but I think we can get him to sign for less. Schultz should be doable in the 2/3 year range at 2.5-3. Lovejoy I assume is gone and might be far more expensive than we want to pay a guy that age. Lovejoy may 1.1 last year so the upgrade in cost to schultz will be 1.4-1.9 per. Not sure if that all fits in the cap but would be close. Trading kunitz would likely free up the cash we need. The wbs kids are all signed very cheap and probably below the guys they are replacing cost. Believe they are a little over 600k each

Assuming worst case scenario we have to trade kunitz then we should be able to field this line up
Sheary - Crosby - horn
Hbk
Wilson - malkin - sprong
Fehr - Cullen - rust
Kuhnakl
Sundqvist ( probably first call up)
Bleuger guentzel

Letang - Maata
Dumoulin - Daley
Cole - schultz
Pouliot

Murray/fleury

If you trade fleury now then it's got to be to upgrade lw and then our forward depth would be insane. I would want more than a 2nd for fleury and might be looking to add a lw in the deal.

If you trade fleury it would be to bring in Ladd, lucic, or boedker. Those are the only lw that are much of an upgrade over the wbs kids. And then there's a host of guys to target that are bargain basement shopping like Cullen to add depth.

So to justify trading fleury this offseason has to be a great value or you just take picks and have something in place with the top 3 free agent lw.

Problem with signing one of those lw is it puts us in cap hell the following year when we murray comes off his elc. Dumoulin I think comes off elc that following year too. So we will need to shed salary after the 2016-2017 season but probably not this year.
- sditulli

There's no free agents I want. Rather gets some picks and load up wbs... Especially with rust Wilson sheary and Kuhn all playing well..

Then in wbs next season we have the Triple S line of Simon sunds Sprong...and our draft picks learning the pro game

There's no free agents I want. Rather gets some picks and load up wbs... Especially with rust Wilson sheary and Kuhn all playing well..

Then in wbs next season we have the Triple S line of Simon sunds Sprong...and our draft picks learning the pro game
- nh4442

Sprong is either in Pittsburgh or back to juniors. He's not eligible to play in WBS next season. Such a stupid rule.