I would trade Morin
- PhillySportsGuy

I think Morin will be a good player. I think average fans and advanced stats fans will both like him. I like how he brings a different element to the d corps than anyone else. But with Myers doing what he is doing...in a few years who knows?

He is definitely the least safe player in my mind.

Based on past drafts, I think it's safe to say the team puts a lot of stock in the more recent play, so I don't see them going that route.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep and Konecny fell mostly due to injury. Gauthier is falling because his game is a mess, and his hockey IQ is currently out getting Lt. Dan some ice cream. First half of the season he was riding unsustainable numbers while his game was messy. Then, as always happens, his numbers fell of towards the end and people began to see what his game was like when he wasn't finishing. I would love a team to take him before our pick.

I would trade any of them for McDavid.
- jmatchett383

No I mean I'd be comfortable with doing a deal like the islanders did last year when they traded Reinhart for the 16th pick and took Barzal. What if a team like Colorado liked him? I'm comfortable with the other D prospects to make the move. Can always take a D at 17 too.

Pronman has Gauthier as our mock pick.


I'd blow my lid if that's our pick. Idc if they select a d man even over him.
- Mononoke

Pronman is the hackiest hack that ever hacked. I wouldn't worry about it.

I think Morin will be a good player. I think average fans and advanced stats fans will both like him. I like how he brings a different element to the d corps than anyone else. But with Myers doing what he is doing...in a few years who knows?

He is definitely the least safe player in my mind.
- Mononoke

I think he has the most variance of all the prospects. I'm comfortable projecting a top 4 of MDZ Gudas Ghost and Provorov along with the bevy of young defenseman with potential. They need some young, high end forwards. Can't be afraid to make a deal.

Duly noted
- Scoob

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Yep and Konecny fell mostly due to injury. Gauthier is falling because his game is a mess, and his hockey IQ is currently out getting Lt. Dan some ice cream. First half of the season he was riding unsustainable numbers while his game was messy. Then, as always happens, his numbers fell of towards the end and people began to see what his game was like when he wasn't finishing. I would love a team to take him before our pick.
- Mononoke

Would love for the Devils to take him.

I would be very surprised if Hexy took him. He's the quintessential "guy is big. Guy will develop" player.

I think Morin will be a good player. I think average fans and advanced stats fans will both like him. I like how he brings a different element to the d corps than anyone else. But with Myers doing what he is doing...in a few years who knows?

He is definitely the least safe player in my mind.
- Mononoke

The advance stats guys are going to hate him. His weakness is his puck skills and ability to move the puck. You are talking a lot of short passes and chip outs off the glass much like a lot of defensemen the stats crowd hate such as Grosssmann, L. Schenn, and Schultz.

By all reports he is improving but it does crack me up how the same people who bash defensive defensemen list Morin as a protected asset. I just remember watching the world juniors where fans praised his smart simple plays to get the puck out of the zone only to bash Grossmann the next night for playing the same way in the pros.

moving Samuel Morin will be a colossal mistake

If we are moving our 1st for a RFA, I'm going winger over Trouba. Or making a play for Drouin. And I don't think a Drouin trade is likely based on his current play and support from teammates and even Cooper
- arichardson22

I think forwards are easier to find then number 1 dmen.

That's why I would go after Trouba with our first over a player like Drouin.

moving Samuel Morin will be a colossal mistake
- Crimsoninja

I wouldn't say colossal depending on the deal.

I just don't want to give up on him like the Islanders did with Chara. Can't teach Morin's size and if his game rounds into form he could be a great defender.

No I mean I'd be comfortable with doing a deal like the islanders did last year when they traded Reinhart for the 16th pick and took Barzal. What if a team like Colorado liked him? I'm comfortable with the other D prospects to make the move. Can always take a D at 17 too.
- PhillySportsGuy

That was a bad trade. Reinhart is looking like he might top out as a 5/6 NHL player. Edmonton looked desperate for a d. Morin is better than him. He's got variance yes, but more potential too.

If the Flyers trade Morin, I'm not uncomfortable with it as long as it is a good trade. With Morin close to NHL ready though, I'd imagine Hexy would like to see what he has. But he could definitely be a good bargaining chip for a team that drools over his size.

The advance stats guys are going to hate him. His weakness is his puck skills and ability to move the puck. You are talking a lot of short passes and chip outs off the glass much like a lot of defensemen the stats crowd hate such as Grosssmann, L. Schenn, and Schultz.

By all reports he is improving but it does crack me up how the same people who bash defensive defensemen list Morin as a protected asset. I just remember watching the world juniors where fans praised his smart simple plays to get the puck out of the zone only to bash Grossmann the next night for playing the same way in the pros.
- psuhockey

Grossmann is the guy who would hammer the puck down the ice for icings even when he was not being pressured. Morin's puck skills are already ahead of Grossmann's.

http://hfboards.hockeysfu...howthread.php?p=112440209

And Morin's skating is far better.

The advance stats guys are going to hate him. His weakness is his puck skills and ability to move the puck. You are talking a lot of short passes and chip outs off the glass much like a lot of defensemen the stats crowd hate such as Grosssmann, L. Schenn, and Schultz.

By all reports he is improving but it does crack me up how the same people who bash defensive defensemen list Morin as a protected asset. I just remember watching the world juniors where fans praised his smart simple plays to get the puck out of the zone only to bash Grossmann the next night for playing the same way in the pros.
- psuhockey

We don't have any analytical data on him yet. I'm sure the Flyers do.

From watching him, he's got more puck skills than Grossmann and is a better skater. Gudas and Coburn have never been strong puck handlers and have excelled in the analytical realms.

The modern day defensive defenseman are guys who protect their blue line like Fort Knox.

Would love for the Devils to take him.

I would be very surprised if Hexy took him. He's the quintessential "guy is big. Guy will develop" player.
- PhillySportsGuy

Every single mock has the Devils taking Keller. Including Pronman's now. It makes a lot of sense tbh. His mock had Colorado taking Jost; Carolina taking Brown. I don't think Brown makes it to 13 bc of his size and skill...I also don't think a team takes him behind Jost and Keller but who knows

Another fun fact about Gauthier: one of the oldest players in his draft class. He's less than a month younger than Auston Matthews. Another huge red flag when it comes to his lack of development and game issues.

I think forwards are easier to find then number 1 dmen.

That's why I would go after Trouba with our first over a player like Drouin.
- J35Bacher

Oh yeah you're absolutely right, but scoring / a winger is a bigger concern for me with our D prospects coming up in the next couple seasons. I also prob should do more homework on Trouba... Can't say I pay close attention to WPG.

That was a bad trade. Reinhart is looking like he might top out as a 5/6 NHL player. Edmonton looked desperate for a d. Morin is better than him. He's got variance yes, but more potential too.

If the Flyers trade Morin, I'm not uncomfortable with it as long as it is a good trade. With Morin close to NHL ready though, I'd imagine Hexy would like to see what he has. But he could definitely be a good bargaining chip for a team that drools over his size.
- Mononoke

Yeah I'm more just talking about exploring ideas. I'd be open to moving Sanheim instead if the return was better.

Every single mock has the Devils taking Keller. Including Pronman's now. It makes a lot of sense tbh. His mock had Colorado taking Jost; Carolina taking Brown. I don't think Brown makes it to 13 bc of his size and skill...I also don't think a team takes him behind Jost and Keller but who knows

Another fun fact about Gauthier: one of the oldest players in his draft class. He's less than a month younger than Auston Matthews. Another huge red flag when it comes to his lack of development and game issues.
- Mononoke

If the Flyers stay where they are I would like Keiffer Bellows or Max Jones.

We don't have any analytical data on him yet. I'm sure the Flyers do.

From watching him, he's got more puck skills than Grossmann and is a better skater. Gudas and Coburn have never been strong puck handlers and have excelled in the analytical realms.

The modern day defensive defenseman are guys who protect their blue line like Fort Knox.
- PhillySportsGuy

He defends his blue line very tightly from what I've seen. He's not a guy who gives it up easily. It's part of why he excites me a bit as a true modern def d.. Very good gap control. You can watch a full shift by shift video of him playing last year in the Memorial Cup on YouTube. MacDonald or Schultz he is not.

Every single mock has the Devils taking Keller. Including Pronman's now. It makes a lot of sense tbh. His mock had Colorado taking Jost; Carolina taking Brown. I don't think Brown makes it to 13 bc of his size and skill...I also don't think a team takes him behind Jost and Keller but who knows

Another fun fact about Gauthier: one of the oldest players in his draft class. He's less than a month younger than Auston Matthews. Another huge red flag when it comes to his lack of development and game issues.
- Mononoke

Devils will (frank) things up somehow. Josh Harris is a terrible owner and will do something stupid at some point.

He defends his blue line very tightly from what I've seen. He's not a guy who gives it up easily. It's part of why he excites me a bit as a true modern def d.. Very good gap control. You can watch a full shift by shift video of him playing last year in the Memorial Cup on YouTube. MacDonald or Schultz he is not.
- Mononoke

I like that he's a hard worker too. I know that sounds kinda corny, but development and willingness to work hard makes me have more faith in him.

I like that he's a hard worker too. I know that sounds kinda corny, but development and willingness to work hard makes me have more faith in him.
- PhillySportsGuy

He's very very likable as a player and person. If you have 20 min later it is worth a watch: https://youtu.be/6_-6s4ZQOmI

I think being paired with Alt probably wasn't the best thing for him in his first year, which was never going to be a cake walk. In my limited viewing, I found Alt had some passive tendencies and his puck handling was worse than Morin's. I think Morin could thrive with Sanheim on his right. But that means the coach has to think outside the box and not pair one defensive d with another defensive d to create a "shutdown" pair.

Myers's goal from last night. Patience he showed to drift and find his lane, head up all the way, was nice. He's just so darn fluid for a big.

I would like to go on record for saying I am against trading any of the following defensive prospects:

Provorov
Gostisbehere
Morin
- Streit2ThePoint

Yeah I don't want to give up on Morin just yet. Remember how long it took Chara to become the All-Star player? His rookie campaign was 97-98 and he wasn't a dominant force until the last couple of years in Ottawa - like 2003-2004ish.

Would like to hold onto Sanheim as well.

He's very very likable as a player and person. If you have 20 min later it is worth a watch: https://youtu.be/6_-6s4ZQOmI

I think being paired with Alt probably wasn't the best thing for him in his first year, which was never going to be a cake walk. In my limited viewing, I found Alt had some passive tendencies and his puck handling was worse than Morin's. I think Morin could thrive with Sanheim on his right. But that means the coach has to think outside the box and not pair one defensive d with another defensive d to create a "shutdown" pair.
- Mononoke

Not sure you really need defensive dmen just to get shutdown pairs.

I am hoping Provorov is the real deal and is a shutdown dman. If he is as good as advertised I would want him against the other teams top lines when ready.