I had to pick my wife up from work for the Boston Game 7 comeback. Missed the Briere and Hartnell goals, but made it home for the Gagne goal.
- jmatchett383

It was a Friday. I skipped a camping trip with buddies to watch the game. Luckily we won and the Habs series started that Sunday.

Stamkos breaks down for me as this: great player...not as great as the record setting contract he'd demand. This isn't 60 goal Stamkos. The fact that his points and possession stats have declined over a few seasons can't be glossed over by saying he's 26 and in his prime. Is he though? His team has been better than ever, and yet his stats have declined.

Can you honestly say he's a top 5 forward in the NHL? A top 10? 20? He's probably around that mark. Whether he used to be top 5 is irrelevant...his game has dropped off a bit now. As in now: when you're paying him the biggest contract in the NHL for the next 7 years. Is he even the best forward on the Lightning? Probably, but it's not even an unequivocal yes. A good number of the people who want to sign Stamkos probably question Jake's contract...when in the last two years they have the same number of points. Even in Jake's hellish season this year he would've finished (pro rated) with a whopping five less points than Stamkos. Now go add $3-4 million and you have Stamkos.

He has ZERO reason to come here, which is probably the funniest part. And that $11-12 million, YOLO it away if you want, but it will impede paying our current players and our prospects, who we all covet so much, down the line. It always does.
- Mononoke

Well said. Agree completely.

After 1

Shawnigan - 1
Rouyn Noranda - 1

Myers with the Apple

It was a Friday. I skipped a camping trip with buddies to watch the game. Luckily we won and the Habs series started that Sunday.
- SuperSchennBros

nice

I wouldn't for our 1st. I think there's real potential the flyers could lose MDZ for nothing if they don't find a trade this summer. That wouldn't be the end of the world but it wouldn't be ideal losing that caliber of player for nothing considering all the other holes on the roster.

With Ghost, Provorov, Morin, and to an extent Manning (and you have to consider him the coach loves him) being all lefties (forget Schultz/Streit even) I don't see a fit for MDZ after this year to stay on a long term extension. It may be best to find a hockey trade this summer.
- Just5

Very true about MDZ. Summer or maybe move him at deadline. I Would imagine a contender would gladly add him at the deadline as a rental, right? Especially with retained salary for a team nearing cap ceiling.

you're supposed to say no thanks.
- Giroux_Is_God

Perhaps a reference flew over my head? It's been a long day. But no thanks.

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow the same age as Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow younger than Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.
- Mononoke

Typical Flyers that he went down for the season in February. Damn.

Schenn at 5m? No thanks.
- MikesPillBottle

Why not?

Pens all over the caps

Frankenstein flying, in particular

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow younger than Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.
- Mononoke

I'd prefer to keep him and he has been good and reliable for us since we signed him , which was a time he had question marks around his game even. He was our best all around dman this season arguably. But as Just5 said, we could lose him to nothing... If another team possibly overpays for him and it's a deal that may not fit/benefit us long term and we can't match it.

Why not?
- MJL

Schenner a 5m is a no brainer in my book

Why not?
- MJL

You're in a discussion with someone named MikesPillBottle... thats almost as bad as getting tangled up with someone who has sarcasm in their.. nevermind.

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow the same age as Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.
- Mononoke

I like MDZ too, but what about the fact that he's left handed and so are top 4 pieces ghost and provorov (not even counting Sanheim/Morin). Right now if you don't consider Gudas, the Flyers have no top 4 pieces that are RH that are there now or are coming anytime real soon. Myers may be but looking at it right now he doesn't project to that role if he fills it in another 2 years minimal. Concerned?

I think if there's a hockey deal to be made involving Shattenkirk or other RH d in the league it should probably be looked at.

Stamkos breaks down for me as this: great player...not as great as the record setting contract he'd demand. This isn't 60 goal Stamkos. The fact that his points and possession stats have declined over a few seasons can't be glossed over by saying he's 26 and in his prime. Is he though? His team has been better than ever, and yet his stats have declined.

Can you honestly say he's a top 5 forward in the NHL? A top 10? 20? He's probably around that mark. Whether he used to be top 5 is irrelevant...his game has dropped off a bit now. As in now: when you're paying him the biggest contract in the NHL for the next 7 years. Is he even the best forward on the Lightning? Probably, but it's not even an unequivocal yes. A good number of the people who want to sign Stamkos probably question Jake's contract...when in the last two years they have the same number of points. Even in Jake's hellish season this year he would've finished (pro rated) with a whopping five less points than Stamkos. Now go add $3-4 million and you have Stamkos.

He has ZERO reason to come here, which is probably the funniest part. And that $11-12 million, YOLO it away if you want, but it will impede paying our current players and our prospects, who we all covet so much, down the line. It always does.
- Mononoke

Steven Stamkos' team is better than ever but when his team was average at best while he put up big numbers, Stamkos was playing with Martin St Louis. So are Stamkos' wingers better now or were they better when his team wasn't so great? Same could be said for Giroux who not long ago signed his monster deal.

Stamkos vs. Giroux

Who is better?

I say pay Stamkos. He has hardware backing up his worth. At least G and Jake have each other...and their millions.

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow the same age as Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.
- Mononoke

I'm trying to do the stats thing.

I saw his CF% was about 48%. So his team was controlling the puck a little less often than not. But the majority of the time he started in the dzone (55%). Maybe that has something to do with it? I'd imagine 48% is average though, and even so- the Flyers were brutal before he got hurt, so who knows. That might have been one of the higher ones on the team at the time.

I'm sure there's other good stuff to look at. What would those be? What website do you use? I just went on hockey-reference.

What do you think about this? Serious question. Not trying to be a Richard.

Myers traded per tsn

I'm trying to do the stats thing.

I saw his CF% was about 48%. So his team was controlling the puck a little less often than not. But the majority of the time he started in the dzone (55%). Maybe that has something to do with it? I'd imagine 48% is average though, and even so- the Flyers were brutal before he got hurt, so who knows. That might have been one of the higher ones on the team at the time.
- Giroux_Is_God

You pretty much summed it up right there.

Myers traded per tsn
- Crimsoninja

On the move again? What the jets get back?

Pens all over the caps

Frankenstein flying, in particular
- Giroux_Is_God

This is a disgusting display

Steven Stamkos' team is better than ever but when his team was average at best while he put up big numbers, Stamkos was playing with Martin St Louis. So are Stamkos' wingers better now or were they better when his team wasn't so great? Same could be said for Giroux who not long ago signed his monster deal.

Stamkos vs. Giroux

Who is better?

I say pay Stamkos. He has hardware backing up his worth. At least G and Jake have each other...and their millions.
- SuperSchennBros

What hardware does he have? A Rocket Richard from 4 years ago? I think Giroux is a better all around player...I think Stamkos is a better goal scorer. In the grand scheme of things? They're pretty equal. I personally give the edge to G, but it's very close. But one is going to make $3-4 million than the other. That's important.

And, yes, Stamkos had MSL. Which begs the question....if MSL was that important to his game where he dropped off rather significantly without him, is that the type of player you want to play $11-12 million for? Not for me it isn't. Again, Jake has the same exact points Stamkos does the last two seasons. Giroux is #12 to Stammer's #17. Read my other post again if you want...everything is in there, and I don't feel like repeating myself.

This is a disgusting display
- PhillySportsGuy

Look at me. Look. Closer. Closer.

You pretty much summed it up right there.
- Tomahawk

I did the thing..

Myers traded per tsn
- Crimsoninja

wut

I view MDZ as a top 4 piece for when we contend. He has been that good, and you don't just find guys like that on the scrap.....never mind.

But seriously, he has been nothing short of terrific. If he wants his 4-5 year contract, he has earned it. The coach and GM clearly love his play too. And, while it is hard to imagine, he's somehow the same age as Brandon Manning. Lock him up long term.
- Mononoke

keep mdz