why was there never an injury report, didn't that used to be the norm ?
- -davies-

Everyone has a middle body injury. Out 0-6 months, according to Hextall.

The Roenick dagger was the end of what I still consider the most exciting sequence I have even seen in my sports life..........for any sport.

I know.

Unpopular to everyone.

But I think it works for the now and still keeps the plan of drafting and developing going.
- J35Bacher

It would work for now, the question is would it work in the future?

I like both players but not sure I want to invest assets and money into those two.

Rather just spend money on Stamkos.
- J35Bacher

If I was forced to make one of those moves, signing Stamkos would be the one I'd pick. I have zero interest in giving up assets for Shattenkirk a year before UFA or overpaying Eriksson in free agency, even though I'm a fan of his. If I'm going to overpay anyone it would be the 26 year old in his prime.

But for the time being, pass on all of the above unless Stamkos' price isn't as high as we all think it'll be (doubtful).

It would work for now, the question is would it work in the future?
- MJL

I think it would.

Not every prospect will be resigned. You could also have pieces to sell off if needed. The cap isn't always going to be stagnate.

Now if it cost something like 11, 12, 13 then I move on. But I think I would make the play if it was something like 9 or 10 million.

I still draft and develop. I can see a path of making it work.

I was working 4-12 at the Taj Majal during the Primeau game. I had set my vcr to record the game and had set the time until midnight in case there was OT.

When I got in my car at around 12:10am, I turned on the radio which was already tuned to WIP only to hear the game still going on. So I made the drive back to Ocean City in record time.

Then i proceeded to watch the rest of the OT until Primeau ended it.

The Roenick dagger was the end of what I still consider the most exciting sequence I have even seen in my sports life..........for any sport.
- MBFlyerfan

Im with you on this.

The whole sequence from the Leafs chances to the hit to the failed 2 on 1 then the Roenick winner...

Sports gets to better than that for me...

I think it would.

Not every prospect will be resigned. You could also have pieces to sell off if needed. The cap isn't always going to be stagnate.

Now if it cost something like 11, 12, 13 then I move on. But I think I would make the play if it was something like 9 or 10 million.

I still draft and develop. I can see a path of making it work.
- J35Bacher

Agreed and for me it is because Stamkos is 26 not 30.
To me he is young enough that you can make a run at him, within reason, while not crippling the team. In 4 years he will be 30 and some of the ELC's we expect are going to be there will give some flexibility.

I know.

Unpopular to everyone.

But I think it works for the now and still keeps the plan of drafting and developing going.
- J35Bacher

If they could get Stamkos for between 9-10 million I would seriously consider it. Its not like he is 30. He is 26 and still not in his prime years.

I cant remember the last time a player of his level entered free agency at such a young age.

2 of the greatest games ever.

watched every second. i was living in a 3rd floor apt in glen mills during the leafs series. my neighbors certainly knew what was going on and who won. poor bastards.
that was also my first year as a season ticket holder. what a ride. my second favorite flyers team of all-time.

i still marvel at primeau keeping that puck on his stick while going outside-in on kasparitis.

playoffs....sigh......

Agreed and for me it is because Stamkos is 26 not 30.
To me he is young enough that you can make a run at him, within reason, while not crippling the team. In 4 years he will be 30 and some of the ELC's we expect are going to be there will give some flexibility.
- opeth_pa

And I am not stupid. I wouldn't do it if it is something like 11 or 12 million .

Also what's to say that in 3 or 4 years a player like Giroux isn't moved when he is 31 or 32.

If Stamkos was 31 I would feel different. At 26 I think the risk is justifiable.

I think it would.

Not every prospect will be resigned. You could also have pieces to sell off if needed. The cap isn't always going to be stagnate.

Now if it cost something like 11, 12, 13 then I move on. But I think I would make the play if it was something like 9 or 10 million.

I still draft and develop. I can see a path of making it work.
- J35Bacher

I think there are certain questions that have to be asked. The first one, is obviously what would Stamkos do the Flyers in the immediate future, next season. Would he make the Flyers a legitimate cup contender? I think that's doubtful.
Have to consider if Stamkos will decline in the immediate near future, and will that decline take place before the Flyers develop the rest of the team to the point where are a legitimate contender.
We also don't know how player drafted now and in the future will turn out. Maybe in the next 2-3 years there won't be a need for a high cap hit scoring winger like Stamkos, but there will be other needs.
The best course of action right now, in my opinion, is to develop the team, see what the needs are a few years from now, and then look at free agency if needed. Do not get into a long term big money deal now, which Stamkos will obviously commnad.

I think there are certain questions that have to be asked. The first one, is obviously what would Stamkos do the Flyers in the immediate future, next season. Would he make the Flyers a legitimate cup contender? I think that's doubtful.
Have to consider if Stamkos will decline in the immediate near future, and will that decline take place before the Flyers develop the rest of the team to the point where are a legitimate contender.
We also don't know how player drafted now and in the future will turn out. Maybe in the next 2-3 years there won't be a need for a high cap hit scoring winger like Stamkos, but there will be other needs.
The best course of action right now, in my opinion, is to develop the team, see what the needs are a few years from now, and then look at free agency if needed. Do not get into a long term big money deal now, which Stamkos will obviously commnad.
- MJL

He is two years younger than Giroux, so wouldn't the worry he might decline be even more pronounced with Giroux? Because of his age (26) you aren't just signing him for the immediate future. You are signing a young player (who is younger than Giroux, Simmonds, and Voracek) and a year older than B Schenn.

He is two years younger than Giroux, so wouldn't the worry he might decline be even more pronounced with Giroux? Because of his age (26) you aren't just signing him for the immediate future. You are signing a young player (who is younger than Giroux, Simmonds, and Voracek) and a year older than B Schenn.
- MBFlyerfan

If the punditry is correct and he's in the 10-12M range, I don't want the Flyers to sign him to a long term deal. Its just too much money for one player on a team that is more than one player away from competing for a Cup.

Geez Bill...you need a NSFW tag on this one. Good thing its allergy season and I already had a box of tissues. The excitement of having a vested interest in playoff OT hockey is like nothing else. I say you start a new trend....turn that press box into a party when the Flyers win

trade giroux for pavelski and voracek for stamkos' rights

trade giroux for pavelski and voracek for stamkos' rights
- funmaster18

Make this happen...

Make this happen...
- mayorofangrytown

then bring Primeau back as assistant coach

then bring Primeau back as assistant coach
- funmaster18

and for added fun we'll make Bill Barber and Mark Recchi the other assistants.

If the punditry is correct and he's in the 10-12M range, I don't want the Flyers to sign him to a long term deal. Its just too much money for one player on a team that is more than one player away from competing for a Cup.
- Doc_Sarcasm

Agreed, you cant tie up too much money in too few players. That however, is the ONLY reason.

and for added fun we'll make Bill Barber and Mark Recchi the other assistants.
- Doc_Sarcasm

excellent. at some point they will have to add bryzgalov as the goalie coach

He is two years younger than Giroux, so wouldn't the worry he might decline be even more pronounced with Giroux? Because of his age (26) you aren't just signing him for the immediate future. You are signing a young player (who is younger than Giroux, Simmonds, and Voracek) and a year older than B Schenn.
- MBFlyerfan

Giroux is already signed, and 2 seasons into his deal. How many 8+M cap hit players should we have? If our defenseman develop, including Gostisbehere, will eventually need to re-sign them to deals comparable, if they become very good defenseman. He is 26, but players can begin to decline before 30. I would think we're looking at a 7 year deal for Stamkos. Why not see how the team develops, and how young wingers like Konecny turn out, and whoever else they might draft? It's a timing thing in my opinion. This team is not at the point where it should be going out and signing a top free agent to top money and term, in my opinion. The teams needs both player wise, and financially wise could be very different in a couple of years.

damn rabbit holes

Giroux is already signed, and 2 seasons into his deal. How many 8+M cap hit players should we have? If our defenseman develop, including Gostisbehere, will eventually need to re-sign them to deals comparable, if they become very good defenseman. He is 26, but players can begin to decline before 30. I would think we're looking at a 7 year deal for Stamkos. Why not see how the team develops, and how young wingers like Konecny turn out, and whoever else they might draft? It's a timing thing in my opinion. This team is not at the point where it should be going out and signing a top free agent to top money and term, in my opinion. The teams needs both player wise, and financially wise could be very different in a couple of years.
- MJL

All good points. But i still say that using the rationale that he may decline and not be ready for when the rest of the team catches up just doesn't hold water when compared to the other, older, players we already consider the core. You cant use it for one player and not apply it to other older players the same way.

And as I said in a later post, putting too much money in to too few players makes it a difficult pill to swallow. And therein lies the reason for probably not going after him.

Flyers reportedly have interest in Kevin Shattenkirk (via trade) and Loui Ericsson as a FA. I'm not sold on acquiring either.

Source: http://www.broadstreethoc...shattenkirk-loui-eriksson
- dragonoffrost

I wonder who in the Flyers front office leaked their plans to this Edmonton journalist. Maybe Hextall called him up personally to let him know what they were thinking.