It became painfully obvious it is Q who wags the dog - Stan went for broke and made moves, he paid a premium to get rid of Daley and has a penalty for next year cap wise to then get rid of Scuderi, and the debacle after the deadline that has been analyzed to death here. If I were Stan I would be livid

If the Hawks tune out Q and he loses the team, I think a change is made. If that were to happen, hope it's a staff that can bring some creativity and energy to the PP


- Sundevil

Speaking of, Kevin Dineen is interviewing for HC positions. We all know what that means for the power play...

Not sure it's a talent evaluation issue. To me it seems like a style difference.
- darklighter

Thinking about it a bit more, I'm not sure there's actually a meaningful difference. How good a talent evaluator can you be when you aren't able to use what you've got?

Speaking of, Kevin Dineen is interviewing for HC positions. We all know what that means for the power play...


- darklighter

Rundblad?

Speaking of, Kevin Dineen is interviewing for HC positions. We all know what that means for the power play...


- darklighter

Biggs: Even Dineen said "Oh, it's totally Q's power play."

I wouldn't blame him for getting the hell out.

It became painfully obvious it is Q who wags the dog - Stan went for broke and made moves, he paid a premium to get rid of Daley and has a penalty for next year cap wise to then get rid of Scuderi, and the debacle after the deadline that has been analyzed to death here. If I were Stan I would be livid

If the Hawks tune out Q and he loses the team, I think a change is made. If that were to happen, hope it's a staff that can bring some creativity and energy to the PP


- Sundevil

The whole front office and especially Stan should be POed at Q
To me Q could not handle the pressure of trying to repeat and choked

Biggs: Even Dineen said "Oh, it's totally Q's power play."

I wouldn't blame him for getting the hell out.
- DMChi2010

I refuse to believe that the power play's competence this year is a result of it being Q's. That's the hill I'm willing to die on.

Speaking of, Kevin Dineen is interviewing for HC positions. We all know what that means for the power play...


- darklighter

A good PP didn't help the Hawks this year. I'd be happier with an improve me PK and improved 5-on-5.

However, Daley's gap control looks a lot better with the Pens than it ever did with the Hawks...

I know the Hawks core will come back healed, rested, and probably super motivated next year. But maybe the beginning of the season doesn't go so well... Rumble, rumble... "Q has lost the room." And they start looking a lot better with a new coach. Problem solved!

At this point, Mike Sullivan looks a lot better than Q. How many players are in their lineup tonight that have less than 2 years NHL experience??? Sullivan's done something right!
- DMChi2010

You know our core has as much sway with our FO as Crosby does in Pittsburgh, and it's my understanding his unhappiness was a major reason behind their coaching change. So, if our guys are unhappy and voice it (big IF), can see them making a change. Would probably be the only reason other than a no playoff season.

Hornqvist, who just scored the game-winning goal, credits Trevor Daley for giving Pittsburgh what they needed to win.

Daley was a +3 with a goal scored. And the GWG happened after he caused chaos by attacking the slot.

Huh.

and the capitals just entered deep poop territory...lets see what this team and trotz are made of now...down 3-1..

28 minutes for Daley and his joining the rush created the havoc that led to the GWG. #1D tonight for the team that's about to beat the Presidents Trophy winners....maybe. Regardless, Trevor couldn't handle the puck much better than Mashinter and his defensive miscues were more frequent. That points to a coach that either mind-franked him, or a guy that was a sour puss from the start and refused to adapt to the Hawks style of play. Idk but IMO it points to mismanagement and that seems to be a theme in the obituary of the 15/16 Chicago Blackhawks.

28 minutes for Daley and his joining the rush created the havoc that led to the GWG. #1D tonight for the team that's about to beat the Presidents Trophy winners....maybe. Regardless, Trevor couldn't handle the puck much better than Mashinter and his defensive miscues were more frequent. That points to a coach that either mind-franked him, or a guy that was a sour puss from the start and refused to adapt to the Hawks style of play. Idk but IMO it points to mismanagement and that seems to be a theme in the obituary of the 15/16 Chicago Blackhawks.
- EnzoD

Yeah, it's definitely hard to sort out exactly what was going wrong with him here. But if he got mind-franked by the coach, it wouldn't be the first time that happened to a new acquisition. Or the last.

Hornqvist, who just scored the game-winning goal, credits Trevor Daley for giving Pittsburgh what they needed to win.

Daley was a +3 with a goal scored. And the GWG happened after he caused chaos by attacking the slot.

Huh.
- darklighter

He was so bad in Chicago. Couldn't handle the pressure from Q?

28 minutes for Daley and his joining the rush created the havoc that led to the GWG. #1D tonight for the team that's about to beat the Presidents Trophy winners....maybe. Regardless, Trevor couldn't handle the puck much better than Mashinter and his defensive miscues were more frequent. That points to a coach that either mind-franked him, or a guy that was a sour puss from the start and refused to adapt to the Hawks style of play. Idk but IMO it points to mismanagement and that seems to be a theme in the obituary of the 15/16 Chicago Blackhawks.
- EnzoD

I keep hearing this "style of play" meme. I don't buy it. The Hawks "style" isn't rocket science. It relies on quick puck movement where the D-men lead the transition to offense. The "style" is also more skate in, fight for space and try to draw the defense to you to open up lanes and angles, instead of the dump and chase mode. I see NOTHING in Daley that suggests he could not have effectively played that style.

He has been BRILLIANT in these playoffs and for some godforsaken reason the Master Mind Coach of ours felt it better to have him jettisoned so we could play unproven/unqualified kids (Sveddy, Gus) or garbage dump level players (Rundblad).

Incredible...who knows what one other really solid D-man could have done for the Hawks....

Hornqvist, who just scored the game-winning goal, credits Trevor Daley for giving Pittsburgh what they needed to win.

Daley was a +3 with a goal scored. And the GWG happened after he caused chaos by attacking the slot.

Huh.
- darklighter

I wonder how the Hawks offseason would be looking if Daley were still on the team. There would be an additional $2.175 on the books after factoring in the retained salary for Scuderi. Now we question if Shaw could be retained. If we had Daley we'd be discussing losing Shaw and Kruger.

I keep hearing this "style of play" meme. I don't buy it. The Hawks "style" isn't rocket science. It relies on quick puck movement where the D-men lead the transition to offense. The "style" is also more skate in, fight for space and try to draw the defense to you to open up lanes and angles, instead of the dump and chase mode. I see NOTHING in Daley that suggests he could not have effectively played that style.

He has been BRILLIANT in these playoffs and for some godforsaken reason the Master Mind Coach of ours felt it better to have him jettisoned so we could play unproven/unqualified kids (Sveddy, Gus) or garbage dump level players (Rundblad).

Incredible...who knows what one other really solid D-man could have done for the Hawks....
- kwolf68

Question is. . .is Q watching and if so, what is going through his head?

I do remember distinctly Daley in an early interview being frustrated, and saying emphatically "I'm going to play MY game." My first thought: uh-oh.

Question is. . .is Q watching and if so, what is going through his head?

I do remember distinctly Daley in an early interview being frustrated, and saying emphatically "I'm going to play MY game." My first though: uh-oh.
- pdx2ord

Hah. I know it.

It's very obvious Daley can play and he actually has a lot more toughness than most credit him for.

The trade that surrounded him was an epic disaster.

I wonder how the Hawks offseason would be looking if Daley were still on the team. There would be an additional $2.175 on the books after factoring in the retained salary for Scuderi. Now we question if Shaw could be retained. If we had Daley we'd be discussing losing Shaw and Kruger.
- DarthKane

Yep, this is absolutely true.

Looks like the Caps are doing it again...

...it's just a shame the Pens are the benefactors.

Biggs
- DMChi2010

Totally didn't give you the credit you deserve for this.

Looks like the Caps are doing it again...

...it's just a shame the Pens are the benefactors.
- ArlingtonRob

Other than the diving Crosby and Letang's non-sense (though he reminds me a lot of Keith for "cleanliness" the Pens have a likable team. Players like Hornqvizt, Sheary, Doumalin, Hagelin are players that are easy to root for.

I don't think one does any more good than the other. We as fans can sit here and act like everything is peaches and cream or we can analyze, critique, and offer constructive criticism/debate on what should've been done and what should be done this summer. We as fans are not consulted before/after trades and we sure as heck don't have any input into roster decisions. That being said, if you want to pretend like this roster next season will be any more equipped to beat St Louis or Dallas, by all means. Barring a substantial trade/acquisition, this team will be worse than the team that lost game 7 of round 1.
- EnzoD

Now is the time for foresight to the expansion draft as well.

It's kinda funny reading the what ifs about Daley. I seem to recall a lot of Hawk fans on this board saying Daley wasn't gonna cut it and should be traded.

Hah. I know it.

It's very obvious Daley can play and he actually has a lot more toughness than most credit him for.

The trade that surrounded him was an epic disaster.
- kwolf68

Daley played better this year than in almost any of his previous 10 seasons. Maybe he’s a late bloomer, found the perfect fit in Pittsburgh, or will regress a bit next year. He had more 5x5 shots on goal this year than any of the Hawk’s D-men. That would not have been true had he stayed in Chicago.

Hah. I know it.

It's very obvious Daley can play and he actually has a lot more toughness than most credit him for.

The trade that surrounded him was an epic disaster.
- kwolf68

Yep getting rid of Daley was huge mistake , yeah maybe it would have meant we would eventually have to get rid of Krueger or Shaw who knows but we would have our #4 defenceman plus speed which our back end lacks. Plus if we kept Garbutt maybe we wouldn't have had to make trade with Montreal.
This one is on Q