He's the #1D of a second round playoff team. On cue, a nice low shot for a tying goal. Bryan Bickell and Rosival over this guy...
- EnzoD

No - Oduya for a Cup-winning season over "this guy".

Maybe they win anyways with Leddy - maybe - but FOR SURE they won it with Oduya.

Stars lose 6-1. Oduya and Johns are each +1.


- DarthKane

control yourself...

Where are all the geniuses who wouldn't remotely consider dealing the Great TT for "dat Drouin?"
- John Jaeckel

i am no genius...but like 95% of this board i have great hindsight after a game or 2

Where are all the geniuses who wouldn't remotely consider dealing the Great TT for "dat Drouin?"
- John Jaeckel

To my credit, I wasn't one of them (I'm not right that often that I won't crow about it when I am) - but was that deal (TT plus) ever really there?

But my take from the beginning was that ultimately, Yzerman would see that he would likely lose Stamkos, and would not want to give up a 3rd overall pick - still only 21 - tons of potential - cost controlled for several years (I think)....

Drouin ain't goin' nowhere.

Drouin ain't goin' nowhere.
- StLBravesFan

now he ain't...after his play...and stamkos probably going for greener pasteurs....yzer was right to not give him away

bolts have a big choice blow up their team with stamkos or move on with out him and use those $$ to round out a deeper team

Where are all the geniuses who wouldn't remotely consider dealing the Great TT for "dat Drouin?"
- John Jaeckel

Maybe they are with the geniuses who thought Boedker would display his incredible talent when he left Arizona

Maybe they are with the geniuses who thought Boedker would display his incredible talent when he left Arizona
- HamiltonHawk

Hopefully Panik can be a much cheaper Boedker... Boedker's wheels were the main attraction, right?

Those on this board who understand hockey way better than I do have pointed out that Saad using his speed to get deep behind the D helped open up the ice, and presumably Boedker could do that, too. Panik is the same height as Saad and a few pounds heavier. Here's hoping he can round out the rough edges of his game and be at least a poor man's Brandon Saad.

now he ain't...after his play...and stamkos probably going for greener pasteurs....yzer was right to not give him away

bolts have a big choice blow up their team with stamkos or move on with out him and use those $$ to round out a deeper team
- bogiedoc

Yzerman should let Stamkos walk and put the money into Hedman, Kucherov, Johnson, Palat.

I was open to the Drouin trade, but didn't want to give up any defensive prospects. Thought the cupboard took too big of a hit already (Johns). Now I am most definitely incorrect. Probably should have gave up TT. (Strike 3 for me )

Hopefully Panik can be a much cheaper Boedker... Boedker's wheels were the main attraction, right?

Those on this board who understand hockey way better than I do have pointed out that Saad using his speed to get deep behind the D helped open up the ice, and presumably Boedker could do that, too. Panik is the same height as Saad and a few pounds heavier. Here's hoping he can round out the rough edges of his game and be at least a poor man's Marian Hossa.
- DMChi2010

Fixed

This was from the HF board in regard to the Raanta trade. Even though we did win 1 cup since the bladder trade Bowman has been brutal and Q has really been as well. If you are going to play Bladder and Gus in the playoffs shouldn't they be playing every day in the regular season the last month? I'm not sure who to blame. Really is we do not luck out in the Panarin signing (he could have signed with any team) if you remove him from this team. are we even a playoff team and we have only a few NHL prospects and now we have 5-6 players that all got about $500K-$1 mil more then they should of.


That was a dumb trade. At that point we already had Hino, Baun, Kero. how many more borderline 4th line players do we trade for? Should have taken a low round pick for both Raanta and Nillson. The other teams both got the better players in the trade and the player with more upside. How do you make a trade where you give up both? Makes no sense. Starting with Runblad for a 2nd at the trade deadline. Of Bowmans 15 trades the only ones you would do a 2nd time where Clending for Forsling, Morin for Panik, and I don't have a big problem with vermette/Dahlstrom + 1st and ladd/Dano +1st.

OTher deals:
Bladder for a 2nd. He was out of options and AZ scratched him every game. Bascially tInoridi for Montreal and they got a 6th for him. Why do you do this at the trade deadline, should have told AZ play him and we will take a look over the summer.
LEddy for Pokka (he was signed at 2.7 for 1 more year should have trade Roz or Bick(when we could have) and Kept Leddy who would have been a RFA after the season)
sharp/Johns for Daley/Garbutt (been beaten to death)
Timo for 2 2nds (way to much to give up for a 40 year old that had not played in 1 year and had a full NMC that would only wave to a few teams)
2nd danult for Weiss and flesch (would have been better playing danult every game)
Daley for Scuds, should have moved daley for a player making under $950K or on a ECL or with a EXP contract. We have 1.1 Hit next year.
GArbutt for Sekec
nillson for Couglin. 5th round pick that had a bad year and we trade a big goalie for him.
Raanta for haggerty
Steeg and Nordy (-4), a solid bottom line player on RF contract and a solid NHL winger on 2.2 and we have to give up a 4th?
SAAD for AA (only saves 1.45 mil this year) a top 10 LW at 22 wants 6 mil per year? AA has been fine but he is top 60/70 center that is paid fairly compared to SAAD who at 6 mil is under paid and getting better.

We trade away SAAD and LEddy RFA's but we give Kruger 1.6 raise and Seabs 1.1 raise.

No - Oduya for a Cup-winning season over "this guy".

Maybe they win anyways with Leddy - maybe - but FOR SURE they won it with Oduya.
- StLBravesFan

Leddy is signed for $5.75mil for the next 6 years. Leddy at $5.75mil looks damn good right now and moving forward. Rosival at $2mil and Bickell at $4mil is why Leddy was traded before 2014/15. Short-sighted at best, and poor asset management yet again. Losing all these players without internal replacements and I'm not surprised the Hawks lost round 1. Saad, Sharp, Oduya, Leddy and replaced by Panarin, Gustaffson + Rundblad and Anisimov.

Yzerman should let Stamkos walk and put the money into Hedman, Kucherov, Johnson, Palat.

I was open to the Drouin trade, but didn't want to give up any defensive prospects. Thought the cupboard took too big of a hit already (Johns). Now I am most definitely incorrect. Probably should have gave up TT. (Strike 3 for me )
- 93Joe

Yeah I was one of the geniuses for not given up TT for Drouin as well . Don't think DDrouin goes anywhere now.
Tampa will not pay Stamkos anywhere near what Kane n Toews money, he has too much other talent to pay.

This was from the HF board in regard to the Raanta trade. Even though we did win 1 cup since the bladder trade Bowman has been brutal and Q has really been as well. If you are going to play Bladder and Gus in the playoffs shouldn't they be playing every day in the regular season the last month? I'm not sure who to blame. Really is we do not luck out in the Panarin signing (he could have signed with any team) if you remove him from this team. are we even a playoff team and we have only a few NHL prospects and now we have 5-6 players that all got about $500K-$1 mil more then they should of.


That was a dumb trade. At that point we already had Hino, Baun, Kero. how many more borderline 4th line players do we trade for? Should have taken a low round pick for both Raanta and Nillson. The other teams both got the better players in the trade and the player with more upside. How do you make a trade where you give up both? Makes no sense. Starting with Runblad for a 2nd at the trade deadline. Of Bowmans 15 trades the only ones you would do a 2nd time where Clending for Forsling, Morin for Panik, and I don't have a big problem with vermette/Dahlstrom + 1st and ladd/Dano +1st.

OTher deals:
Bladder for a 2nd. He was out of options and AZ scratched him every game. Bascially tInoridi for Montreal and they got a 6th for him. Why do you do this at the trade deadline, should have told AZ play him and we will take a look over the summer.
LEddy for Pokka (he was signed at 2.7 for 1 more year should have trade Roz or Bick(when we could have) and Kept Leddy who would have been a RFA after the season)
sharp/Johns for Daley/Garbutt (been beaten to death)
Timo for 2 2nds (way to much to give up for a 40 year old that had not played in 1 year and had a full NMC that would only wave to a few teams)
2nd danult for Weiss and flesch (would have been better playing danult every game)
Daley for Scuds, should have moved daley for a player making under $950K or on a ECL or with a EXP contract. We have 1.1 Hit next year.
GArbutt for Sekec
nillson for Couglin. 5th round pick that had a bad year and we trade a big goalie for him.
Raanta for haggerty
Steeg and Nordy (-4), a solid bottom line player on RF contract and a solid NHL winger on 2.2 and we have to give up a 4th?
SAAD for AA (only saves 1.45 mil this year) a top 10 LW at 22 wants 6 mil per year? AA has been fine but he is top 60/70 center that is paid fairly compared to SAAD who at 6 mil is under paid and getting better.

We trade away SAAD and LEddy RFA's but we give Kruger 1.6 raise and Seabs 1.1 raise.
- kmw4631

Those are A LOT of brutal trades that have reduced this roster from clear-cut best team in the NHL to Top 16.
And Stan/Q also get paid for past performance with their new contract extensions...

leddy is signed at 38.5 X 7 years 5.5 aav. My guess is Chicago could have gotten him for less long term Maybe 4.5-5AAV for 6/8 years.

Cups are won and lost in the off season not at the trade deadline. Bow the last few years has lost the off seasons and scrambled at the deadline where you always over pay and really have a hard time mixing in players in 17 games.

Guys are there best from 23-31 with peak being 27? Look at the best players in the league 1-50. How many are over 31 not including goalies. Maybe 5? Look at all the guys that are good at 27 and then by 31-32 are 3rd-4th line guys. So paying anyone for production in there 20's into the 30's you are going to regret. You cannot if you want to be a dominate franchise let LEDDY and SAAD walk for probably 11 mil total per year long term but keep Sharp and extend SEABS for 7 mil per year.

The fact that are only hope for the odd season is Trading Crow or Seabs for a young good player and getting Kempny,Cagguila, and Vesey to sign we are putting the odds of us having a good off season pretty low.

leddy is signed at 38.5 X 7 years 5.5 aav. My guess is Chicago could have gotten him for less long term Maybe 4.5-5AAV for 6/8 years.

Cups are won and lost in the off season not at the trade deadline. Bow the last few years has lost the off seasons and scrambled at the deadline where you always over pay and really have a hard time mixing in players in 17 games.

Guys are there best from 23-31 with peak being 27? Look at the best players in the league 1-50. How many are over 31 not including goalies. Maybe 5? Look at all the guys that are good at 27 and then by 31-32 are 3rd-4th line guys. So paying anyone for production in there 20's into the 30's you are going to regret. You cannot if you want to be a dominate franchise let LEDDY and SAAD walk for probably 11 mil total per year long term but keep Sharp and extend SEABS for 7 mil per year.
- kmw4631

100% right my friend! How do you commit to Rosival, Rundblad, Bickell over Leddy?? Then he drafts a stud Dman in round 2 of 2010, let him mature for 5 years, never play him in the NHL, and trade him to a division rival (with your 2LW +4D). Idk how you recover from that. To your point, Panarin probably kept this team from being outside the top 16

This was from the HF board in regard to the Raanta trade. Even though we did win 1 cup since the bladder trade Bowman has been brutal and Q has really been as well. If you are going to play Bladder and Gus in the playoffs shouldn't they be playing every day in the regular season the last month? I'm not sure who to blame. Really is we do not luck out in the Panarin signing (he could have signed with any team) if you remove him from this team. are we even a playoff team and we have only a few NHL prospects and now we have 5-6 players that all got about $500K-$1 mil more then they should of.


That was a dumb trade. At that point we already had Hino, Baun, Kero. how many more borderline 4th line players do we trade for? Should have taken a low round pick for both Raanta and Nillson. The other teams both got the better players in the trade and the player with more upside. How do you make a trade where you give up both? Makes no sense. Starting with Runblad for a 2nd at the trade deadline. Of Bowmans 15 trades the only ones you would do a 2nd time where Clending for Forsling, Morin for Panik, and I don't have a big problem with vermette/Dahlstrom + 1st and laddDano +1st.

OTher deals:
Bladder for a 2nd. He was out of options and AZ scratched him every game. Bascially tInoridi for Montreal and they got a 6th for him. Why do you do this at the trade deadline, should have told AZ play him and we will take a look over the summer.
LEddy for Pokka (he was signed at 2.7 for 1 more year should have trade Roz or Bick(when we could have) and Kept Leddy who would have been a RFA after the season)
sharp/Johns for Daley/Garbutt (been beaten to death)
Timo for 2 2nds (way to much to give up for a 40 year old that had not played in 1 year and had a full NMC that would only wave to a few teams)
2nd danult for Weiss and flesch (would have been better playing danult every game)
Daley for Scuds, should have moved daley for a player making under $950K or on a ECL or with a EXP contract. We have 1.1 Hit next year.
GArbutt for Sekec
nillson for Couglin. 5th round pick that had a bad year and we trade a big goalie for him.
Raanta for haggerty
Steeg and Nordy (-4), a solid bottom line player on RF contract and a solid NHL winger on 2.2 and we have to give up a 4th?
SAAD for AA (only saves 1.45 mil this year) a top 10 LW at 22 wants 6 mil per year? AA has been fine but he is top 60/70 center that is paid fairly compared to SAAD who at 6 mil is under paid and getting better.

We trade away SAAD and LEddy RFA's but we give Kruger 1.6 raise and Seabs 1.1 raise.
- kmw4631

Wow that's a lot of mistakes, Love what Kruger n Seabs have done but in today's NHL you can't pay for past performances

Wow that's a lot of mistakes, Love what Kruger n Seabs have done but in today's NHL you can't pay for past performances
- HamiltonHawk

Yes but a lot of fans would take 10 years of cap hell and mistakes for 1 Stanley Cup (just ask Caps, Nucks, Sharks etc. fans)..and Hawks had three in six..as we know.. which is as much they won between 1926-2009. To put it in perspective.

And my answer will continue to be:

Horrible to mediocre at best 5 on 5
Historically bad (since 2009) shot differentials
Most of its offensive production from one line

All season long.

And Michal Rozsival is officially done. So today, aside from the fact that TVR is probably best slotted playing the right side at #5 but is #4 by default, the defense 5-7 is pick from: Gustafsson, Svedberg, Rundblad, Slow-Pok-ka, 2 tiny rookies from Sweden and a guy named Kempny (who could be very good but has never played on NA (smaller) ice to the best of my knowledge).

They are maybe close-ish but not that close. They need to improve the team to get back into Cup contention, i.e. the top 3-4 teams in the league. They are not there anymore.
- John Jaeckel

Not a hockey player, just a fan, but wouldn't a smaller sheet of ice hurt a Panarin-type player, and help a defenseman?

Yes but a lot of fans would take 10 years of cap hell and mistakes for 1 Stanley Cup (just ask Caps, Nucks, Sharks etc. fans)..and Hawks had three in six..as we know.. which is as much they won between 1926-2009. To put it in perspective.
- MjulQvist

This is very true n I was at a point I never thought I'd see the Hawks win one in my life time.

Yes but a lot of fans would take 10 years of cap hell and mistakes for 1 Stanley Cup (just ask Caps, Nucks, Sharks etc. fans)..and Hawks had three in six..as we know.. which is as much they won between 1926-2009. To put it in perspective.
- MjulQvist

You are 100% correct my friend! The 3 Cups and 5 WCF have been a joyous ride. With that being said, the Front Office has put themselves in a terrible position. Pawning off young, high-end talent like Saad, Leddy, +Johns has brought this team back to the pack. I hope this Kempny guy can be a Leddy/Campbell type player and stabilize the defense group. Still, there is a VACANT hole at 1LW and maybe even 1RW, depending on how Hossa looks next fall. How does Stan fill those holes without shedding a large cap hit? Jury is still out....

Maybe they are with the geniuses who thought Boedker would display his incredible talent when he left Arizona
- HamiltonHawk

Maybe he will!


Talk to some scouts, they'll tell you he was showing his talent in AZ, just on a bad team.

Not a hockey player, just a fan, but wouldn't a smaller sheet of ice hurt a Panarin-type player, and help a defenseman?
- tvetter

For a Dman like Seabs/Hammer/Svedberg the small ice helps. For a dman like Keith/Leddy, open ice allows them to play their game more effectively. Same goes for forwards who are skilled versus power forwards.

Hopefully Panik can be a much cheaper Boedker... Boedker's wheels were the main attraction, right?

Those on this board who understand hockey way better than I do have pointed out that Saad using his speed to get deep behind the D helped open up the ice, and presumably Boedker could do that, too. Panik is the same height as Saad and a few pounds heavier. Here's hoping he can round out the rough edges of his game and be at least a poor man's Brandon Saad.
- DMChi2010

Well, apparently some assume the Boedker/Hawks story was just someone's conjecture/wishful thinking. Thing is, it wasn't. People who make a good living judging hockey players for the Hawks (including Stan Bowman) felt he would be a difference maker playing alongside Toews and Hossa. Boedker's game overall is more refined that Panik's, but Panik is a lot more physical.

But whatever . . .

Not a hockey player, just a fan, but wouldn't a smaller sheet of ice hurt a Panarin-type player, and help a defenseman?
- tvetter

All depends. I think the first pass out of the zone is a lot easier to make on a bigger sheet, that's for sure.

Well, apparently some assume the Boedker/Hawks story was just someone's conjecture/wishful thinking. Thing is, it wasn't. People who make a good living judging hockey players for the Hawks (including Stan Bowman) felt he would be a difference maker playing alongside Toews and Hossa. Boedker's game overall is more refined that Panik's, but Panik is a lot more physical.

But whatever . . .
- John Jaeckel

MAJOR Roster Holes:

1LW
4D
6D

How do YOU address those and truly contend for the Cup in 16/17 JJ?